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Just shouted at partner's client from hell

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Dygger · 20/05/2022 13:26

Name changed for this, as my partner knows my usual posting name. Sorry, this is a massive post.

My partner runs a company in an area of the construction industry. The work is usually for high-end new builds, usually on sites with professional project managers supervising. However, he was persuaded by one of his friends to quote for a local renovation project. He was quite pleased when the clients phoned and told him he hadn't got the job because he was so expensive (he's not). They later came back to him, unapologetic, and asked him to do the work. He initially said no, but he was cajoled back into the project by his friend.

It's been a nightmare. The project has been very poorly run and the clients have changed their minds about everything time and again. He is used to a certain degree of this, and can normally take the pressure, but they've got a particularly emotive, distrustful attitude that drives him mad. He's off-loaded much more than normal onto me. He's also fallen out with the friend who got him involved in the project and that's brought him down. Every bill is queried, with the implication that he is ripping them off. Every solution and product he recommends is questioned and queried and other, inappropriate, options suggested.

The project has finally limped to an end. Two months ago my partner took over the last, hard-to-get-hold-of component which will allow them to control the heating, lighting and ventilation remotely. The wall where they wanted the control panel and a one of the sensors still hadn't been plastered (their last plasterer walked out on them) so he left the two unfitted components in their boxes with the client. When they called him back after the plastering had been done, the parts couldn't be found. They accused him of taking the parts away with him. He didn't. None of the team ever remove paid-for components from a secure site. My partner says he gave them the boxes and they put them on a windowsill. The client denies this. They want him to pay for replacements. £600. My partner said no. They've phoned him several times, whinging and moaning and he has said stood firm and sent them an email telling them to order and pay for replacements and that until they confirm they've done this, he won't be answering their calls.

The wife just turned up on our doorstep, wanting to speak to him. He isn't here and I told her this. She then started on the 'We need to come to an agreement on this, we don't see why we should have to pay twice for parts your partner lost. He needs to replace them.'

At which point I exploded. I told her that he hadn't lost them, they had. That the job has been a nightmare but he's continued because he's a professional with a first class reputation. That their delays and unreasonable demands and the hundreds of hours of time they've spent on the phone mean that he's already lost money on this job and won't be laying out a penny more. She stood there and said 'It's been very hard for us' and I heard myself yelling 'I don't care! Go away, buy the components yourselves and he'll finish the job for you and then we can have nothing ever to do with each other again.' She argued for a while and I told her I had nothing more to say and I was going to shut the door on her.

After she'd gone I called my partner expecting him to say thank you and to have a laugh about it. Instead he said he should have just bought the replacement components and said nothing to me about it. It might have cost him £700 but at least it wouldn't have ended up with me shouting at her.

I now feel nearly as angry with him as I do with her. Practically every day for the last year I've had to listen to him complaining about her or her husband. They've phoned in the evenings and at weekends. He's had innumerable sleepless nights. He nearly lost one of his employees, who was so upset by the way he was treated by these people that he wanted to leave in order not to have to go back to the property.

AIBU?

OP posts:
ReadyToMoveIt · 20/05/2022 15:53

Dygger · 20/05/2022 15:49

What a strange analogy. I was at home. She's not his boss. But actually, if I did have a boss who was bullying and tormenting me so badly that I was losing sleep and was constantly stressed, I might appreciate him going into the office and making it clear this wasn't acceptable.

And no, when I entered this relationship back in 1999 it wasn't to be a helpmeet and hear his woes and offer advice about his business. He's a big boy, he should be capable of containing his stress rather than passing it to me to manage, which I realise is what I've been doing. I run my own entirely separate and unrelated business in a different sphere and I keep any worries about work and employment to myself.

The people who say I have a partner problem are right and need to be worked on.

I think it’s fairly normal for couples to sound off about issues they’re having at work to each other?

girlmom21 · 20/05/2022 15:54

But actually, if I did have a boss who was bullying and tormenting me so badly that I was losing sleep and was constantly stressed, I might appreciate him going into the office and making it clear this wasn't acceptable.

Would you really? That would be absolutely mortifying.

Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 15:55

@SlightlyGeordieJohn

i would be shitting myself if I was the partner coming home tonight!

Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 15:56

-But actually, if I did have a boss who was bullying and tormenting me so badly that I was losing sleep and was constantly stressed, I might appreciate him going into the office and making it clear this wasn't acceptable

when was the last time you worked I am office op?

Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 15:58

I run my own entirely separate and unrelated business in a different sphere and I keep any worries about work and employment to mysel

this sounds like a bit of a shitty “partnership”

Johnnysgirl · 20/05/2022 16:07

Now, having calmed down, I'm pretty sure that I just raised my voice firmly. But in the moment I wrote 'exploded' and 'shouted' and so I'll take what comes as a result of that
Cringing for you, op 😬
The thread title literally says you shouted at your dh's client.

dworky · 20/05/2022 16:11

“Would you be happy if he stormed into your office and tore a strip off your boss?”
No but I certainly would be if he was at home & my boss turned up, out of the blue, & berated him about something I'd done or not done at work

10HailMarys · 20/05/2022 16:12

I don't think the fact that your partner talks to you about his work justifies you stepping in and making decisions about his business like that.

I think most of people off-load their work stresses and worries to their partner when they get home from work - I know mine does. But that doesn't mean that, if one of his colleagues phoned him at home on his day off with some unreasonable demand, it would be OK for me to tell the colleague to do one. Just because your partner happens to be self-employed, that doesn't mean you should be getting involved in his work decisions or client-handling any more than you would if he was employed by a company.

Clearly, the woman shouldn't have come to your house or started talking to you about the problem - she's obviously a total nightmare and has been treating your partner like shit. But what you should have done was said 'Partner is not here. I will tell him you came here and I will pass on what you've just said, but this is my home and I'm not involved in his job, so I won't be having any conversations with you about this now or in the future.' And then closed the door.

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 16:13

sadeyedladyofthelowlandsea · 20/05/2022 15:53

Thing is, the client made it the OP's business by turning up at her home and insisting the OP did something about it. It'd be like me demanding a refund from McDonalds because the cashier at M&S looked at me funny. Did OP handle it brilliantly? No, of course not. But I think it is understandable that she lost her rag.

And @SlightlyGeordieJohn Do please enlighten us on your qualifying rules as to what constitutes being 'a bit council'. Because it is so sneeringly offensive - and I am absolutely fed up with the attitude that living on a council estate is the worst thing to happen to anyone. You keep saying it without actually explaining what you think of people like me & my DC.

As I explained above, it referred to people (generally middle class) who did something like buy a dress, wear it, then take it back for a refund, behaviour which people thought more typical of some of the worse council estates in our town.

The phrase came about when the local authority took the worst problem families from the next town and transplanted them into what had been very nice council estates. It didn’t then take long for them to turn to hell.

If you ever had a bike stolen, you’d know to go to the council estate to get it back. When I worked pushing trolleys it was to the council estate that we went once a month to recover the trolleys that people were using to grow plants in, and it was the council estates where people would decide to burn a mattress or a sofa in the street rather than call the council to have it taken to the tip.

The idea that people have to pretend that there really was no difference between what we saw on the council estates and the private estates is not one I can get on board with.

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 16:14

Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 15:55

@SlightlyGeordieJohn

i would be shitting myself if I was the partner coming home tonight!

Hopefully she’ll have had a change of heart by then and ordered him in something nice for dinner.

Garagewonderings · 20/05/2022 16:14

Yes, I frequently complain about people at work to DH. I would be livid if he decided to take it up directly with them.

housemaus · 20/05/2022 16:16

You are MASSIVELY unreasonable.

Your DH is a grown man - if he didn't want this client, or couldn't handle the stress, he could have shouted at them or walked away or ended the job himself. He didn't, and he's grown up enough to decide what level of terrible client he does or doesn't want to retain. If you were sick of hearing him whinging about it but not doing anything then the issue is between and you and him, but it was never your place to speak to his client like that and if I were him I'd be furious.

IamnotSethRogan · 20/05/2022 16:16

I think she lost any right she has to being treated in a professional manner when she turned up uninvited to your house and started arguing with you.

It had nothing to do with you and she should have left when you said DH wasn't home. You're absolutely allowed to tell someone they're being unreasonable when they behave like this.

10HailMarys · 20/05/2022 16:17

But actually, if I did have a boss who was bullying and tormenting me so badly that I was losing sleep and was constantly stressed, I might appreciate him going into the office and making it clear this wasn't acceptable

What world are you living in where this would be any way normal behaviour?! Have you ever worked in a normal workplace because seriously, this would absolutely not result in anything other than you getting sacked. Are you insane? I'm absolutely cringing at the thought of someone's partner turning up at their workplace to have a word with their boss. Properly embarrassing behaviour.

ThePenguinIsDrunk · 20/05/2022 16:19

YANBU. She put you on an impossible position by coming to you private address and not just going away when you told her your DH wasn't in.

ThePenguinIsDrunk · 20/05/2022 16:19

*your

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 16:22

OP, whether you care what people here write or not, it does seem from what you said that you are unreasonably angry with your husband. He’s done nothing wrong here, but it sounds like he has an argument waiting for him when he comes in from work.

Why don’t you order in a meal that he likes, put his favorite drink in the fridge, and just let him know when he cones in that you are glad that he’s normally the one that has to deal with the difficult clients and that you’re glad that you won’t have to deal with this one again?

Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 16:24

Johnnysgirl · 20/05/2022 16:07

Now, having calmed down, I'm pretty sure that I just raised my voice firmly. But in the moment I wrote 'exploded' and 'shouted' and so I'll take what comes as a result of that
Cringing for you, op 😬
The thread title literally says you shouted at your dh's client.

“Now having been faced with many posters disagreeing with me, I wish I could rewrite my OP so that it puts me in a more favourable light) more like

oprahfan · 20/05/2022 16:25

No you were not being unreasonable. AT ALL.
The ‘client’ came to your home, and you have been dealing with a lot listening and supporting your OH.
Some people drain the living spirit out of you, and they have done this with many other people.
You stood your ground, good on you, this ‘client’ needs these boundaries and some truth.

Maggiethecat · 20/05/2022 16:25

I’ve only read the first page of posts but wonder if those saying YABU think you’re made of stone?!!

She came to your house and when you told her Dh wasn’t there proceeded to drag you into the matter. How dare she!

I would have sent her marching too!!

diddl · 20/05/2022 16:29

Surely you just tell them that you don't know anything about it?

If your partner is so good that he is turning down work it beggars belief that he took on something that he didn't even want to do.

Cameleongirl · 20/05/2022 16:31

The wife just turned up on our doorstep, wanting to speak to him. He isn't here and I told her this. She then started on the 'We need to come to an agreement on this, we don't see why we should have to pay twice for parts your partner lost. He needs to replace them.”

Generally I think partners should keep out of each other’s work lives, but the client completely overstepped the mark by coming to your home and berating you about her issues with your DP’s work. She pulled you into it so you told her what you thought. Yes, you could have been more professional, but I can understand why you lost your temper.

Branleuse · 20/05/2022 16:31

She had no right to come to your home after already being so intrusive and unreasonable. I would be very pissed off with your husband though whos been stressing you out over this for ages. Tell him that you have had enough of him bringing this outrageous amount of stress and drama to you, to the extent that you are now being harrassed by his clients in your own home and then getting told off by him for apparently dealing with it wrong. Tell him to fuck off and find a therapist and a backbone

LoveLarry · 20/05/2022 16:34

What were the clues in the OP that you were articulate and RP?

Butchyrestingface · 20/05/2022 16:38

What a strange analogy. I was at home. She's not his boss. But actually, if I did have a boss who was bullying and tormenting me so badly that I was losing sleep and was constantly stressed, I might appreciate him going into the office and making it clear this wasn't acceptable.

Tell me you've never worked in an office and/or had a boss without telling me you've never worked in an office and/or had a boss. 😅