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AIBU To be a bit cheesed off with my neighbours (terraced house)

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Ric2013 · 16/05/2022 21:21

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In 2019 my new neighbours (who are renting) moved in. First met them outside - their sofa wouldn't fit through their front door and I suggested they access through my garden instead. A few days later I had them over for tea and biscuits and we always had a chat when we bumped into one another.

A month or so later, my father came to visit for a fortnight and took on a major DIY project. Bit of a pain as we had to replace the stairs for the second time in a month (the company had previously sent me a faulty staircase, but we only noticed halfway through fitting). At 7 in the evening the neighbour came to complain about the noise and I apologised and we agreed to knock it on the head. He then went on to complain about the noise the previous week and I said I had no idea it had been bothering him and wished he'd said something at the time so that I could have done something about it. He then had a go at me, (I'm supposed to magically know what he and his wife will hear and be irritated by apparently) and said he wanted piece and quiet when he got home at 6 and if this happened again he'd be complaining to the council. I wrote this off as 'venting' and considered that the end to the matter, but remembered what he said about 6pm and thought that was reasonable enough.

In fairness, replacing the previous owner's attempt at a staircase (which was frankly dangerous) probably was a bit noisy, but in my defence, the neighbours' landlord had told me that the house had been soundproofed (it was only after this incident that he admitted he hadn't done the stairs actually), and since that the previous nice neighbours had played drums and I could barely hear them, I genuinely was surprised that the new neighbours could hear the work taking place. The neighbour's landlord himself had had an ongoing building site for about 18 months when he first bought the place - not always at entirely sociable hours - but we forgive him as, ultimately the work did need doing and he's generally a thoroughly decent guy.

For the neighbours, however, there is obviously a one-strike-and-you're-out policy. About a week later, the lady next door shouted loudly at her husband that she 'wished the neighbour (i.e. me) would SHUT UP!!!' as I was doing some finishing off work at 10 to 6 in order to be done by 6 as requested. I thought this sort of passive-aggressiveness was fairly immature and best ignored. While they will just about acknowledge me if I say good morning to them they then immediately turn the other way and pretend to be too busy to talk. My mother visited me, said good afternoon to them and they looked straight through her also. I generally ignore them as a rule as that's how they seem to like things and if they want to keep to themselves so be it.

Problem is this. I was away for two years during which time only my housemate was in the house. I got stuck abroad from December 2019 until this year due to depressing circumstances I won't bore you with. Before leaving, I went to the neighbours' door, told them I'd be away, why, and how to contact me should they need to for any reason. They looked a bit embarassed, but I pretended it was a normal conversation and said goodbye, leaving my contact details.

SO THAT WAS THE BACKGROUND

On my return from being abroad (but with the house always occupied by my housemate), I discovered that the boundary fence which I own was in poor condition. The neighbours still aren't talking to me apparently, so I wrote them a friendly letter asking for access to maintain the fence, while accepting that if they didn't want me in their garden, I'd have to find another way of marking the boundary (to be honest, a couple of posts and a single wire would suit me as I don't really like high fences in very small gardens, but I may as well maintain the fence for their/ their landlord's benefit plus the fact that they could simply erect a still taller fence on their side should I remove my own). I said they always seemed very busy and when might we have a chat?

They passed the letter on to their landlord who contacted me. He agreed I could have access to do the work. Today myself and my housemate took the fence down so it could be worked on and new posts fitted. We discovered the neighbours have painted their side of my fence with a modern synthetic paint without asking either of us for permission, but not painted their other fence which is presumably their landlord's property. The original finish was a genuine limewash, the timber (expensive) untreated pine boards and so 100% compostable (could have been used in the garden for lots of good things), whereas the new paint has meant the timber fence is landfill material when it eventually needs removal, which is pretty annoying with the current price of timber being what it is. Contacted the landlord who said he would come and sand it off, but I compromised and suggested he take on the painting of his side if his tenants want it to look nice as my limewash won't stick to it anyway.

Looking more carefully, they have also painted the front boundary fence with a synthetic paint rather than the much better linseed oil based paint it was originally painted with. Which was totally unnecessary and won't protect the timber as well as the original linseed oil finish even though I have to accept it looks brighter and whiter, but that's not the point.

I suppose I'm cheesed off that the neighbours want it both ways. I feel either they should talk to me (even though I was abroad, I would have given them suitable paint or limewash), or they should keep themselves to themselves without being, I feel, intrusive. And I'd like them to at least give me 10 minutes warning to shut the windows when they light their barbecue and the wind is coming my way, while we're on the subject.

Okay, so AIBU, and what do I do now? I don't really care that much about what has been done, but I don't want this kind of thing happening again.

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GeorgieTheGorgeousGoat · 16/05/2022 21:24

Oh my. That sounds like a lot of angst over a fence.

Ric2013 · 16/05/2022 21:25

I forgot to add. During the election campaigns in December 2019, they were screwing up electoral material addressed to them and throwing it on the pavement in front of their house (quite a feat as the driveway is 30' long). I can only assume that was personal to the political parties involved as they only threw out leaflets from two of the three major parties but not the third, but don't see why they should be littering our street, and why can't they just put up a VOTE XXXX sign?

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ChanceNorman · 16/05/2022 21:30

You complained to their landlord specifically about the type of paint they'd used on their side of a fence?

Maybe get a hobby and leave the neighbours alone. And thank your lucky stars you clearly don't have any real problems to spend so much energy on handwringing about fence paint.

Hellocatshome · 16/05/2022 21:35

Wow I was expecting a very different ending to they have painted their side of the fence with a paint you dont approve of.

Ric2013 · 16/05/2022 21:35

Hi Georgie. I agree it's ridiculous, but it's a combination of things, plus the fact that I purposely went for the most ecological fence I could buy and lovingly maintained it for everyone's benefit for most of its life. I don't have a lot of income and the cost of that fence was a major expense (we built three solid internal cottage style doors for the same money), so I was at least hoping that when the post and rails finally rotted I'd still have some nice pine boards I could use for something else. Now all we'll have is scrap timber that will cost us to dispose of.

I suppose my concern is, if they are going to start pushing the boundaries, whether there is any other way they can start taking the proverbial.

They may not (like myself and my father) not be aware there is a problem, but, unlike them when I was making a noise that they disliked, I was not able to discuss it at the time as I didn't see it happening!

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Iamnotamermaid · 16/05/2022 21:37

Your neighbours are a pain in the arse and a bit entitled. Ignore them as they have made it clear they do not want to be friendly.

However their landlord seems reasonable. Keep all communication/complaints with the landlord and move on.

Ric2013 · 16/05/2022 21:50

Well, if I leave my neighbours alone, why can't they leave me alone and not:

'Vandalise' (albeit unintentionally) my fences that I maintain for their sole benefit. They have painted it with something that will significantly have reduced its lifespan.

Light barbecues and burn scrap paper when the wind is blowing my way and the windows are open (or at least give me a quick heads up so I can shut the windows).

Let me have may various hobbies without passive-aggressive behaviour.

I have various hobbies, but I am conscious of making a noise that may irritate them. I keep anything that makes any kind of noise strictly to weekdays before 6 (makes it a bit hard to get things done when you are work for most of the day), and this means I can't do anything much of an evening as they seem to be upset by most things. Even digging a small hole in my garden with a hand trowel on a Saturday while my housemate is sweeping the stairs with a broom gets sarcastic comments I 'just happen' to overhear, (despite the fact that I can usually hear their radio when I'm outside and they constantly slam cupboard doors in the kitchen). I don't care about the radio or the slamming cupboards - they are normal household noises after all, but I don't see why I have to live and let live when they are then so hostile to me because I'm planting a geranium. Why is there one rule for them...?

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SpeedofaSloth · 16/05/2022 21:54

Just talk to the landlord in future.

Ducksinthebath · 16/05/2022 21:55

Do people really consult with a neighbour before lighting a barbecue? I’ve never mentioned it to a neighbour in my life, nor had anything mentioned to me.

SoupDragon · 16/05/2022 21:56

They shouldn't have painted your fence at all. They don't have the right to do that.

TheCanyon · 16/05/2022 22:01

Ducksinthebath · 16/05/2022 21:55

Do people really consult with a neighbour before lighting a barbecue? I’ve never mentioned it to a neighbour in my life, nor had anything mentioned to me.

Of course you do if there's washing on the line.

I really couldn't get too excited about someone painting a fence.

Womencanlift · 16/05/2022 22:01

Doing gardening of an evening is not exactly antisocial so I would just do it and to hell with them. If you do get sarcastic comments either say something back or report them to their landlord. At the end of the day they won’t want to piss off their landlord as it could affect their own housing situation in the future

MolkosTeenageAngst · 16/05/2022 22:08

Stop living your life by their weird rules then! I can understand not wanting noisy building work after 6pm but unless your hobby is some sort of thrash metal band I don’t see why you can’t practice it in the evenings after work. They might make some comments but just ignore them, you’re not actually doing anything wrong. I can understand why you’re annoyed if you feel the consideration is one sided, but in that case just stop bending over backwards to please them and get on with living your life in a normal way without overthinking how they will react!

Ikeptgoing · 16/05/2022 22:11

That's a lot of background

TDLR neighbours are entitled and complain when I do normal things in my house... they painted my boundary fence which was ecological with non eco paint on their side which peed me off as I bed over backwards to plaster them and regret it now

So stop bending over backwards to please ethers entitled complaining neighbours, go about your usual business sn if you hear them complaining then reply loudly that "gosh we try to please ridiculous entitled neighbours who don't like sound of us breathing but they still complain... we'll just live our lives and LET THEM COMPLAIN " and your rely to their complaints is "don't be unreasonable, go ahead and complain. I'll let the landlord know you are kicking offs out nothing again..."

Then let LL know how difficult they are. Bet LL gives them notice soon enough.

Ikeptgoing · 16/05/2022 22:12

Argh typos and MN bad formatting glitch

Ric2013 · 16/05/2022 22:12

Ducksinthebath · 16/05/2022 21:55

Do people really consult with a neighbour before lighting a barbecue? I’ve never mentioned it to a neighbour in my life, nor had anything mentioned to me.

Not generally, but since the barbecue was 10' from my open window (gardens are around 15' long by 12' wide) and the smoke was going that way, it would have been nice.

Is your garden as small as ours, I wonder?

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AledsiPad · 16/05/2022 22:12

I'm really glad you're not my neighbour. Bet they've had a lovely 2 years.

YABVU OP, get a grip. And a life.

Sexheadacheouch · 16/05/2022 22:13

Had no idea about the difference in paints.
They were twats about the noise but that’s pre Dec 2019 now yeah? You can’t honestly be annoyed about the wrong type of paint (that you deem wrong) on their side of a fence.

Ikeptgoing · 16/05/2022 22:14

Garden to your heart's content

Do your DIY until 8pm and start from 7-8 am 😄

Reply loudly "oh my for our neighbours are awful and entitled" when they say something shirty that they want you to hear

And don't apologise for living your life. They don't behave nicely and impact in you, so stop teasing on eggshells around them. AND LET THEIR LANDLORD KNOW WHAT A PITA THEY ARE.

Ric2013 · 16/05/2022 22:23

Okay, consensus is it sounds like I'm being slightly OTT about the fence itself. I suppose I'll just ask their landlord to tell them to contact me (via him) if they want to do stuff to my fence in future, and hope that settles that.

So, generally, is the feeling I should do what I like, within reason and subject to the consideration I would normally show my neighbours (which, after all, I have to anyway as I have neighbours both sides - the others I get on quite well with) and if my fence neighbours want to kick up a fuss because I'm not following the weird rules they haven't even told me about, I should just them I think they are being unreasonable if they have the guts to address me directly or within earshot (and warn their landlord).

Sorry about the fact that this has been a massive rant, but I just wanted to present the facts to people who weren't personal friends and who wouldn't therefore automatically take my side. Thanks for the criticism and advice so far - it's good to have it!

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MRex · 16/05/2022 22:25

You're giving them power to upset you. Don't. The landlord needs to recompense or resolve the fence situation, and you complain to him when they cause issues. Live reasonably, as you would with any other neighbour; then because they are unpleasant if they tut, moan or bitch you must learn to smile that you are annoying them.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 16/05/2022 22:26

So, generally, is the feeling I should do what I like, within reason and subject to the consideration I would normally show my neighbours (which, after all, I have to anyway as I have neighbours both sides - the others I get on quite well with) and if my fence neighbours want to kick up a fuss because I'm not following the weird rules they haven't even told me about, I should just them I think they are being unreasonable if they have the guts to address me directly or within earshot (and warn their landlord).

Yes, exactly this.

LoveSpringDaffs · 16/05/2022 22:29

@Ric2013 as long as you are within the council regulations re noise, ignore their 6pm bollocks!! Plant what the fuck you like, when you like, in your garden.

Either ignore the PA comments or reply in mind! essentially, stop being a mouse in your own house!!

Email their LL, explain the issues & ask him to sort it out & assurance they'll stop painting stuff they have NO right to paint.

i know you said you're happy to 'let it go' with stuff that's already been done (fair play to you) but make sure you tell their LL so he can assure you nothing like that will happen again,

Sittingonabench · 16/05/2022 22:30

It seems like you are taking their actions very personally when most of them are perhaps thoughtless but not intentionally done to cause you grief. I can’t see the instances you’ve said as aggressive. Perhaps with the exception of the comments but it is unclear

Cherrysoup · 16/05/2022 22:31

Tell the landlord they are not to paint the new fence, they shouldn’t be touching it, it’s not their property.

Go through him rather than speak to them. They sound like a right pita.

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