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AIBU To be a bit cheesed off with my neighbours (terraced house)

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Ric2013 · 16/05/2022 21:21

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In 2019 my new neighbours (who are renting) moved in. First met them outside - their sofa wouldn't fit through their front door and I suggested they access through my garden instead. A few days later I had them over for tea and biscuits and we always had a chat when we bumped into one another.

A month or so later, my father came to visit for a fortnight and took on a major DIY project. Bit of a pain as we had to replace the stairs for the second time in a month (the company had previously sent me a faulty staircase, but we only noticed halfway through fitting). At 7 in the evening the neighbour came to complain about the noise and I apologised and we agreed to knock it on the head. He then went on to complain about the noise the previous week and I said I had no idea it had been bothering him and wished he'd said something at the time so that I could have done something about it. He then had a go at me, (I'm supposed to magically know what he and his wife will hear and be irritated by apparently) and said he wanted piece and quiet when he got home at 6 and if this happened again he'd be complaining to the council. I wrote this off as 'venting' and considered that the end to the matter, but remembered what he said about 6pm and thought that was reasonable enough.

In fairness, replacing the previous owner's attempt at a staircase (which was frankly dangerous) probably was a bit noisy, but in my defence, the neighbours' landlord had told me that the house had been soundproofed (it was only after this incident that he admitted he hadn't done the stairs actually), and since that the previous nice neighbours had played drums and I could barely hear them, I genuinely was surprised that the new neighbours could hear the work taking place. The neighbour's landlord himself had had an ongoing building site for about 18 months when he first bought the place - not always at entirely sociable hours - but we forgive him as, ultimately the work did need doing and he's generally a thoroughly decent guy.

For the neighbours, however, there is obviously a one-strike-and-you're-out policy. About a week later, the lady next door shouted loudly at her husband that she 'wished the neighbour (i.e. me) would SHUT UP!!!' as I was doing some finishing off work at 10 to 6 in order to be done by 6 as requested. I thought this sort of passive-aggressiveness was fairly immature and best ignored. While they will just about acknowledge me if I say good morning to them they then immediately turn the other way and pretend to be too busy to talk. My mother visited me, said good afternoon to them and they looked straight through her also. I generally ignore them as a rule as that's how they seem to like things and if they want to keep to themselves so be it.

Problem is this. I was away for two years during which time only my housemate was in the house. I got stuck abroad from December 2019 until this year due to depressing circumstances I won't bore you with. Before leaving, I went to the neighbours' door, told them I'd be away, why, and how to contact me should they need to for any reason. They looked a bit embarassed, but I pretended it was a normal conversation and said goodbye, leaving my contact details.

SO THAT WAS THE BACKGROUND

On my return from being abroad (but with the house always occupied by my housemate), I discovered that the boundary fence which I own was in poor condition. The neighbours still aren't talking to me apparently, so I wrote them a friendly letter asking for access to maintain the fence, while accepting that if they didn't want me in their garden, I'd have to find another way of marking the boundary (to be honest, a couple of posts and a single wire would suit me as I don't really like high fences in very small gardens, but I may as well maintain the fence for their/ their landlord's benefit plus the fact that they could simply erect a still taller fence on their side should I remove my own). I said they always seemed very busy and when might we have a chat?

They passed the letter on to their landlord who contacted me. He agreed I could have access to do the work. Today myself and my housemate took the fence down so it could be worked on and new posts fitted. We discovered the neighbours have painted their side of my fence with a modern synthetic paint without asking either of us for permission, but not painted their other fence which is presumably their landlord's property. The original finish was a genuine limewash, the timber (expensive) untreated pine boards and so 100% compostable (could have been used in the garden for lots of good things), whereas the new paint has meant the timber fence is landfill material when it eventually needs removal, which is pretty annoying with the current price of timber being what it is. Contacted the landlord who said he would come and sand it off, but I compromised and suggested he take on the painting of his side if his tenants want it to look nice as my limewash won't stick to it anyway.

Looking more carefully, they have also painted the front boundary fence with a synthetic paint rather than the much better linseed oil based paint it was originally painted with. Which was totally unnecessary and won't protect the timber as well as the original linseed oil finish even though I have to accept it looks brighter and whiter, but that's not the point.

I suppose I'm cheesed off that the neighbours want it both ways. I feel either they should talk to me (even though I was abroad, I would have given them suitable paint or limewash), or they should keep themselves to themselves without being, I feel, intrusive. And I'd like them to at least give me 10 minutes warning to shut the windows when they light their barbecue and the wind is coming my way, while we're on the subject.

Okay, so AIBU, and what do I do now? I don't really care that much about what has been done, but I don't want this kind of thing happening again.

OP posts:
Saucery · 17/05/2022 07:31

Your neighbours are petty, stop trying to be nice to them, ignore the small things and send the big things via the landlord.

Anyway…..paint. Have you used more natural paints and plasters inside your old house? We have a house of similar age and recurring damp problems. Been thinking of lime plaster and proper breathable paint, not modern stuff that seals in the moisture,

SoupDragon · 17/05/2022 07:32

Fridafever · 17/05/2022 07:23

Yes, she can, if the fence is hers

Pretty sure OP is not a woman. The posting history is genuinely fascinating - posts very infrequently but always about boundary/ house issues. This house and his mum’s.

Why does it matter what sex they are?

PriestessofPing · 17/05/2022 07:32

Blarting · 17/05/2022 07:10

Massive auto correct!

University Challenge!

Must put glasses on in the morning.

I dunno, I think ‘unreasonable veracity challenge’ sounds very interesting!! Grin

Fridafever · 17/05/2022 07:34

Why does it matter what sex they are?

It doesn’t matter at all I was just surprised to see people assuming a woman when the writing style seems so masculine. I could be wrong obviously!

Blarting · 17/05/2022 07:35

Fridafever · 17/05/2022 07:23

Yes, she can, if the fence is hers

Pretty sure OP is not a woman. The posting history is genuinely fascinating - posts very infrequently but always about boundary/ house issues. This house and his mum’s.

GrinGrinGrin

Yes a lot of fence issues going on!

Perhaps it's why they're so defenceive ! 💥**

MrsLargeEmbodied · 17/05/2022 07:41

how would they know the paint was the wrong sort!

TheNoodlesIncident · 17/05/2022 07:59

Probably, having spent two years in a country where passers-by will come up to you and comment because you're cleaning a window or sweeping the ground behind your house and they want an excuse to chat, I'm finding British coldness a bit hard to deal with

This happens to me all the time. I haven't experienced this "British coldness" you speak of. Cutting hedges, pruning shrubs, washing cars, sweeping the street, mowing the verge outside... every time I have people pause in their walking past to chat. It happened in the run-down area I lived in before, it happens in the nicer small town I live in now. This is in England. People are friendly. I wonder why you don't get that where you are now?

With your NDN, I'd ignore them as much as possible when they're being snippy and remain civil to them while going through their landlord as much as possible. Rubbish neighbours are awful, hopefully they'll move on soon.

stairgates · 17/05/2022 08:12

My neighbours have just had the fence between us done, so on advice from this thread I will ask them what sort of treatment they would like us to use on this side! Never even thought of it before! And I can read your post about treatments and sound really knowledgeable when we are chatting😄

I would ignore your neighbours random comments, they sound like The Burgen from the kids Trolls film, don't let them limit your hobbies as the hobbies sound harmless and useful!

LookItsMeAgain · 17/05/2022 08:19

My advice - put whatever fence you want up - just inside your boundary line. Advise their landlord that you are doing this and that he is to put up fences for his tenants inside their boundary line (so they are back to back). You look after your fence and paint it whatever way you want to, they look after their fence however they want to.
Issue resolved!

LookItsMeAgain · 17/05/2022 08:20

Sorry - pressed post too soon.

Any damage caused by their 'treating' or 'painting' your fence will be charged to their landlord because they will have their fence to look after.

MajorCarolDanvers · 17/05/2022 08:41

Leave these poor people alone.

MigsandTiggs · 17/05/2022 09:10

LookItsMeAgain · 17/05/2022 08:19

My advice - put whatever fence you want up - just inside your boundary line.

I did this and informed my new neighbours that I had set the metre high fence 6in inside my boundary so that I could reach over to stain the outside without venturing onto their property. They are good neighbours, however, I just noticed that their new fence post is touching mine, so on my land.😞I have a large garden, so it's not worth even mentioning.

SoupDragon · 17/05/2022 09:11

MajorCarolDanvers · 17/05/2022 08:41

Leave these poor people alone.

These "poor people" have whinged about occasional acceptable DIY noise and damaged the OP's property.

Indicatrice · 17/05/2022 09:14

MigsandTiggs · 17/05/2022 09:10

LookItsMeAgain · 17/05/2022 08:19

My advice - put whatever fence you want up - just inside your boundary line.

I did this and informed my new neighbours that I had set the metre high fence 6in inside my boundary so that I could reach over to stain the outside without venturing onto their property. They are good neighbours, however, I just noticed that their new fence post is touching mine, so on my land.😞I have a large garden, so it's not worth even mentioning.

Of course you should mention it. If you leave it too long, it becomes their land.

Hollygolightly86 · 17/05/2022 09:17

I don’t understand why it makes a difference that they rent? I’m guessing you thought it was relevant as because they’re not owners they don’t have the same right to complain as owners do?

Brefugee · 17/05/2022 09:25

stopped reading at "who are renting". That doesn't stop you speaking to them about things they are doing that are unneighbourly.

WildCoasts · 17/05/2022 09:30

Jumping ahead from page one. It sounds like you have different values and priorities when it comes to home maintenance. You are making ecological decisions, they are making whatever decision they feel is right without considering the ecology of it. I don't think you can or should do anything about that. They can do whatever they want with their side of the fence as long as it doesn't damage it for the immediate purpose (boundary fence), bleed through to your side or change anything for your side. Me and my children painted a mural on a section of our new fence and it never occurred to me to consult the neighbours and I don't think it's any of their business.

Brefugee · 17/05/2022 09:34

also that's a lot of TL;DR to say you keep the fence because... why? if you don't want a high fence, or any fence, don't have one. If they want a fence they can check with the landlord* and put one up themselves. AFAIK it can be up to 6 feet.

Also even if you have the landlord's permission to enter the garden, did you inform the neighbours when you'd be in there? You didn't inform them about noisy work in your house, so i guess they don't feel they have to let you know when they fire up the BBQ. (agree their requirement that it stop at 6pm is batshit. You should have discussed that at the time)

It seems that the relationship between you and your neighbours isn't good. Just keep it polite, let them know when noisy stuff is going on and hopefully in time they'll do the same to you.

*people on here, really? "don't have a landlord above you" who the fuck do you think you all are?

SoupDragon · 17/05/2022 10:01

Hollygolightly86 · 17/05/2022 09:17

I don’t understand why it makes a difference that they rent? I’m guessing you thought it was relevant as because they’re not owners they don’t have the same right to complain as owners do?

If you read the thread you'd see that the OP explained that.

Charlize43 · 17/05/2022 10:03

This thread has brought back memories of when I was 19 and rented a room in a Victorian terrace in Chiswick. The gardens (long, narrow ones) were at the front of the properties, separated by a path that ran along all the front doors. I was woken one morning by the loud sound of anguished wailing, a bit like an animal in pain or deep distress. I looked out the window to see a woman in a pink quilted dressing gown with tears streaming down her face sobbing in a loud, deep voice. She stood out there crying for some time and looked totally wrecked. Nobody came out to see what the matter was, and eventually she disappeared indoors.

Later in the day I found out (from the woman I was rented the room from) that it was because the neighbours of the woman had removed the ivy from the fence.

It's an image that has stayed with me. Years later, went it came to buying my own house, I avoided Victorian terraces, even if they were fashionable for a time (I settled on a 1930s Semi).

DaisyQuakeJohnson · 17/05/2022 10:03

Ric2013 · 16/05/2022 21:35

Hi Georgie. I agree it's ridiculous, but it's a combination of things, plus the fact that I purposely went for the most ecological fence I could buy and lovingly maintained it for everyone's benefit for most of its life. I don't have a lot of income and the cost of that fence was a major expense (we built three solid internal cottage style doors for the same money), so I was at least hoping that when the post and rails finally rotted I'd still have some nice pine boards I could use for something else. Now all we'll have is scrap timber that will cost us to dispose of.

I suppose my concern is, if they are going to start pushing the boundaries, whether there is any other way they can start taking the proverbial.

They may not (like myself and my father) not be aware there is a problem, but, unlike them when I was making a noise that they disliked, I was not able to discuss it at the time as I didn't see it happening!

They're not 'pushing' boundaries. They're painting them Grin

You were wrong with the building noise and if they had reported you, the LA would have told you to try to stick to business hours. You're not allowed to have the equivalent of 'building' noise whenever you feel like it. There are restrictions.

As for having a BBQ, no-one tells their neighbours or asks their permission for a BBQ. The paint choice is a similar non-issue.

You seem to have reacted badly to being told your staircase work was too noisy and are now looking for issues to complain about. You said you had a depressing time when you're away. Perhaps that is affecting you and you're misdirecting that frustration and trauma at your neighbours. Maybe you haven't dealt with whatever happened and need some extra support before you convince yourself that your neighbours are awful and make yourself ill over a paint choice. Take a step back. Breathe. Come to terms with whatever the depressing time was Flowers

BrunoMadrigal · 17/05/2022 10:24

SoupDragon · 17/05/2022 09:11

These "poor people" have whinged about occasional acceptable DIY noise and damaged the OP's property.

They complained about noisy DIY works 2-3 years ago, but it’s OP who has taken that to mean she can’t make any noise whatsoever…

And not everyone knows you can’t paint a boundary fence, so there’s not necessarily malicious intent there.

HerbertChops · 17/05/2022 10:30

Just deal with their landlord in future and ignore them. You can do emergency DIY at anytime, although it's obviously good to try and keep it to daytime. We had water running down the wall behind our TV and were drilling one weekend and neighbour kept coming round telling us work had to finish by 2pm or 4pm or something which isn't true for emergency DIY. There are only start and finish times for commercial builders that you are paying.

MrsSkylerWhite · 17/05/2022 10:36

I’d expect noisy work to finish by 6pm.

I wouldn’t expect potentially temporary neighbours to paint my fence without asking first.

darisdet · 17/05/2022 10:37

"Ducksinthebath
Do people really consult with a neighbour before lighting a barbecue? I’ve never mentioned it to a neighbour in my life, nor had anything mentioned to me.
Not generally, but since the barbecue was 10' from my open window (gardens are around 15' long by 12' wide) and the smoke was going that way, it would have been nice.

Is your garden as small as ours, I wonder"

I'd expect a neighbour to mention it as a courtesy if, for example, I had washing hanging out on the line. Also, yes, it might mean you need to close windows.