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AIBU To be a bit cheesed off with my neighbours (terraced house)

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Ric2013 · 16/05/2022 21:21

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In 2019 my new neighbours (who are renting) moved in. First met them outside - their sofa wouldn't fit through their front door and I suggested they access through my garden instead. A few days later I had them over for tea and biscuits and we always had a chat when we bumped into one another.

A month or so later, my father came to visit for a fortnight and took on a major DIY project. Bit of a pain as we had to replace the stairs for the second time in a month (the company had previously sent me a faulty staircase, but we only noticed halfway through fitting). At 7 in the evening the neighbour came to complain about the noise and I apologised and we agreed to knock it on the head. He then went on to complain about the noise the previous week and I said I had no idea it had been bothering him and wished he'd said something at the time so that I could have done something about it. He then had a go at me, (I'm supposed to magically know what he and his wife will hear and be irritated by apparently) and said he wanted piece and quiet when he got home at 6 and if this happened again he'd be complaining to the council. I wrote this off as 'venting' and considered that the end to the matter, but remembered what he said about 6pm and thought that was reasonable enough.

In fairness, replacing the previous owner's attempt at a staircase (which was frankly dangerous) probably was a bit noisy, but in my defence, the neighbours' landlord had told me that the house had been soundproofed (it was only after this incident that he admitted he hadn't done the stairs actually), and since that the previous nice neighbours had played drums and I could barely hear them, I genuinely was surprised that the new neighbours could hear the work taking place. The neighbour's landlord himself had had an ongoing building site for about 18 months when he first bought the place - not always at entirely sociable hours - but we forgive him as, ultimately the work did need doing and he's generally a thoroughly decent guy.

For the neighbours, however, there is obviously a one-strike-and-you're-out policy. About a week later, the lady next door shouted loudly at her husband that she 'wished the neighbour (i.e. me) would SHUT UP!!!' as I was doing some finishing off work at 10 to 6 in order to be done by 6 as requested. I thought this sort of passive-aggressiveness was fairly immature and best ignored. While they will just about acknowledge me if I say good morning to them they then immediately turn the other way and pretend to be too busy to talk. My mother visited me, said good afternoon to them and they looked straight through her also. I generally ignore them as a rule as that's how they seem to like things and if they want to keep to themselves so be it.

Problem is this. I was away for two years during which time only my housemate was in the house. I got stuck abroad from December 2019 until this year due to depressing circumstances I won't bore you with. Before leaving, I went to the neighbours' door, told them I'd be away, why, and how to contact me should they need to for any reason. They looked a bit embarassed, but I pretended it was a normal conversation and said goodbye, leaving my contact details.

SO THAT WAS THE BACKGROUND

On my return from being abroad (but with the house always occupied by my housemate), I discovered that the boundary fence which I own was in poor condition. The neighbours still aren't talking to me apparently, so I wrote them a friendly letter asking for access to maintain the fence, while accepting that if they didn't want me in their garden, I'd have to find another way of marking the boundary (to be honest, a couple of posts and a single wire would suit me as I don't really like high fences in very small gardens, but I may as well maintain the fence for their/ their landlord's benefit plus the fact that they could simply erect a still taller fence on their side should I remove my own). I said they always seemed very busy and when might we have a chat?

They passed the letter on to their landlord who contacted me. He agreed I could have access to do the work. Today myself and my housemate took the fence down so it could be worked on and new posts fitted. We discovered the neighbours have painted their side of my fence with a modern synthetic paint without asking either of us for permission, but not painted their other fence which is presumably their landlord's property. The original finish was a genuine limewash, the timber (expensive) untreated pine boards and so 100% compostable (could have been used in the garden for lots of good things), whereas the new paint has meant the timber fence is landfill material when it eventually needs removal, which is pretty annoying with the current price of timber being what it is. Contacted the landlord who said he would come and sand it off, but I compromised and suggested he take on the painting of his side if his tenants want it to look nice as my limewash won't stick to it anyway.

Looking more carefully, they have also painted the front boundary fence with a synthetic paint rather than the much better linseed oil based paint it was originally painted with. Which was totally unnecessary and won't protect the timber as well as the original linseed oil finish even though I have to accept it looks brighter and whiter, but that's not the point.

I suppose I'm cheesed off that the neighbours want it both ways. I feel either they should talk to me (even though I was abroad, I would have given them suitable paint or limewash), or they should keep themselves to themselves without being, I feel, intrusive. And I'd like them to at least give me 10 minutes warning to shut the windows when they light their barbecue and the wind is coming my way, while we're on the subject.

Okay, so AIBU, and what do I do now? I don't really care that much about what has been done, but I don't want this kind of thing happening again.

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Onthedunes · 16/05/2022 22:31

Is this an episode of 'This Country'

Is that you Kurtan ?

dworky · 16/05/2022 22:33

He has no right to peace at 6pm, the cut off for construction noise is 7pm.

Blinkingbatshit · 16/05/2022 22:33

Yep, ask their LL to tell them not to touch your fences. Then carry in living your life giving them the same respect you would expect to be given - ignore the crazy pa comments, don’t get sucked into their pettiness.

Dancer47 · 16/05/2022 22:34

Ducksinthebath · 16/05/2022 21:55

Do people really consult with a neighbour before lighting a barbecue? I’ve never mentioned it to a neighbour in my life, nor had anything mentioned to me.

I would, and so would everyone where I live. I would also warn them in advance if I were going to make a lot of noise removing a staircase or whatever. It's just good manners.

Fraaahnces · 16/05/2022 22:35

Stop following their rules entirely and tell them to shove it. They have already picked you as a weak target for their bullying. If they confront you about noise, let them know that you are operating within your council’s noise regulations. (Ie, not paying attention to them.) I’d also mention that the you’d prefer all complaints and correspondence to go via their landlord, and that he can decide if he wants to continue with their tenancy or not under the circumstances.

Take up drums, bagpipes, sousaphone and have fourteen colicky babies.

Cheeseandlobster · 16/05/2022 22:35

You lost me on the "they are renting" comment. So does that make you superior?

Twofurrycats · 16/05/2022 22:40

6pm noise rule relates to renovation/construction noise so fitting a staircase would fall under this. And he's not going to care that you let the landlord's workmen make noise after 6 as he wasn't living there.
But......
6pm isn't some magical cut off point for any noise. That's 11pm.
And I'd have been annoyed by the fence

Snickers94 · 16/05/2022 22:40

To be honest, I think your annoyance at the fence comes from the fact that the neighbours are really rude to you to begin with.

You invited them in for tea and biscuits, and tried to be welcoming, but they've just become more and more frosty over time due to some building work. What was the political party they were supporting?

And then they have the audacity to ruin your fence and paint it as if it's there's. When they don't even like you. I would be annoyed too.

Ric2013 · 16/05/2022 22:41

AledsiPad · 16/05/2022 22:12

I'm really glad you're not my neighbour. Bet they've had a lovely 2 years.

YABVU OP, get a grip. And a life.

I'm sure there are two sides to the story, but I really don't know their side, I'm afraid.

How from what I have told you, have you deduced that I am a bad neighbour? I made a noise late two and a half years ago, they told me not to make a noise after 6 and I haven't since, nor at the weekend. Other than that, I haven't really had anything to do with them.

Perhaps they can hear me during the day on a day or two during the week that I'm at home, and sometimes I've said hullo or good morning to them. I think I offered them some of my rosemary once (before it became obvious they wanted to be left alone) when I was pruning it because I know he's a keen amateur chef. Turned out he had his own.

Only reason I've ever contacted their landlord to discuss them prior to this was to ask permission to access their garden so I could maintain my fence, and, before that, to discuss a tall screen that they had attached to it which I was concerned would pull it down during storm Eunice (sod's law dictates it would have fallen on something of theirs and I didn't want the responsibility if it injured someone).

I rang their landlord today because I wanted to warn him that although I would be repairing the fence, I would not be able to repaint it and bring it up to its former glory as I had previously advised because the paint I have (limewash) will not stick to whatever they have painted it with, so I can't do their side.

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PurassicJark · 16/05/2022 22:41

Do what you want and ignore them. If they start acting worse, tell the landlord and explain that he either gets them under control or police will get involved. I wouldn't bother talking to them, they are nuts.

Fraaahnces · 16/05/2022 22:43

Surely the tenants themselves are responsible for doing that? Aren’t they legally required to return things to the state they found them?

Ric2013 · 16/05/2022 22:44

Cheeseandlobster · 16/05/2022 22:35

You lost me on the "they are renting" comment. So does that make you superior?

Not at all. If I didn't explain the fact that they are renting, wouldn't the talk about their landlord get confusing, though?

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Lochjeda · 16/05/2022 22:54

They sound like annoying arseholes who feel they can do what they like but everyone needs to dance to their tune.

Ric2013 · 16/05/2022 22:58

Fraaahnces · 16/05/2022 22:43

Surely the tenants themselves are responsible for doing that? Aren’t they legally required to return things to the state they found them?

Well, I don't think so in this particular case. They may be required to leave things as they found them, but since the fence isn't their landlord's property, there isn't much he can do about it. In this case, he's offered to remove the paint himself as he's a nice guy as well as a shrewd businessman.

He appreciates that I don't like the fence (it blocks the light my way) but am maintaining it for him so his tenants don't then moan when I replace it with a 3' chainlink fence until he ends up being bullied into having to erect a new fence on his side at his expense.

At this point, I no longer really care about the fact that they've painted it. All I'm saying is if the landlord or the tenants want their side to be cosmetically maintained, I'll no longer be limewashing it, so he or they can do with whatever white paint they want. If not, they can watch their white paint slowly peel away (limewash wouldn't have peeled - it just fades, whcih is why I used to reapply it annually).

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Ric2013 · 16/05/2022 23:00

Snickers94 · 16/05/2022 22:40

To be honest, I think your annoyance at the fence comes from the fact that the neighbours are really rude to you to begin with.

You invited them in for tea and biscuits, and tried to be welcoming, but they've just become more and more frosty over time due to some building work. What was the political party they were supporting?

And then they have the audacity to ruin your fence and paint it as if it's there's. When they don't even like you. I would be annoyed too.

Exactly. I think that's why I felt cheesed off.

To answer your question, the leaflets they threw out were Labour and LibDem, so presumably they supported the Conservative Party.

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Poptart4 · 16/05/2022 23:01

I voted YABU because you are walking on eggshells in your own home because you don't like their passive aggressive comments.

Live your life OP. Stop letting them get to you. I know that's easier said than done (trust me, been there) but you will be so much happier once you learn to block them out.

leavethewallalone · 16/05/2022 23:01

I think you're making much ado about nothing.

Stop going quiet at 6pm. Do what you want.

Let them do the same. It's not like either of you are having parties until 2am.

Ric2013 · 16/05/2022 23:02

Dancer47 · 16/05/2022 22:34

I would, and so would everyone where I live. I would also warn them in advance if I were going to make a lot of noise removing a staircase or whatever. It's just good manners.

That's a really good point.

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leavethewallalone · 16/05/2022 23:05

Even digging a small hole in my garden with a hand trowel on a Saturday while my housemate is sweeping the stairs with a broom gets sarcastic comments I 'just happen' to overhear,

You own, they rent. Meaning they have no landlord above you to complain to and they won't be complaining to the council. Make an effort to get that little bit louder every time they say something. I would! You're allowed to enjoy YOUR garden.

BrunoMadrigal · 16/05/2022 23:09

Well that was very anti climatic. That long essay for it to end up being about paint on a fence…

You don’t like them, they don’t like you. It happens. But to get this stressed over paint on a fence? Get a grip!

SkiingIsHeaven · 16/05/2022 23:13

Are you vegan OP?

Ric2013 · 16/05/2022 23:25

BrunoMadrigal · 16/05/2022 23:09

Well that was very anti climatic. That long essay for it to end up being about paint on a fence…

You don’t like them, they don’t like you. It happens. But to get this stressed over paint on a fence? Get a grip!

I think you're right. Probably, having spent two years in a country where passers-by will come up to you and comment because you're cleaning a window or sweeping the ground behind your house and they want an excuse to chat, I'm finding British coldness a bit hard to deal with, and feel being 'punished' for the fact that I made an (admittedly unreasonable) noise three years ago a bit more of a big deal than I would had I not left the country.

Though, as far as the paint goes, I'm going to give a comparison. What if someone had a car that was 20 years old and had no real value parked against the boundary of your garden? If you were a child and didn't understand about social conventions and laws, you might decide to paint your side of it to brighten things up. I know the comparison is silly, but it is actually the exact same thing. No real harm done, as the value of the car/fence is the same, but it might not weather or last in the same way and if the owner of the car/fence wants to restore the car as a classic/repurpose the wood as a compost bin, it's just got a whole lot harder. Either way, no malice is intended, but it's still a minor annoyance.

As you say, though, as far the ignoring each other goes, get a grip (and it's their loss). On the plus side, I don't have to bother with small-talk.

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Ric2013 · 16/05/2022 23:25

SkiingIsHeaven · 16/05/2022 23:13

Are you vegan OP?

No, why?

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DixonD · 16/05/2022 23:27

It’s hard to work out which one of you is being most irritating.

Construction noise when most people get back from work would drive anyone nuts.

The fact that you let their comments stop you from making any normal “life noise” is really irritating. You are allowed to do gardening at the weekend. Who cares if they make a comment. Just dig louder!

The BBQ thing - most people don’t let their neighbours know when they are having a BBQ. If I had to do that, I just wouldn’t bother having one. What a pain in the arse.

I have a feeling that the fence thing and the BBQ thing gets to you because you don’t like each other.

FictionalCharacter · 16/05/2022 23:47

I don’t think you were being OTT about the fence at all. I would have felt the same. Never heard of limewash, I’ll look that up for my new fence!
The sarky comments while you do gardening and your housemate sweeps is really petty. I agree with PPs that the best thing to do is ignore them, but that’s easier said than done when someone makes comments that are clearly aimed at you and said for you to hear.

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