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AIBU To be a bit cheesed off with my neighbours (terraced house)

123 replies

Ric2013 · 16/05/2022 21:21

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In 2019 my new neighbours (who are renting) moved in. First met them outside - their sofa wouldn't fit through their front door and I suggested they access through my garden instead. A few days later I had them over for tea and biscuits and we always had a chat when we bumped into one another.

A month or so later, my father came to visit for a fortnight and took on a major DIY project. Bit of a pain as we had to replace the stairs for the second time in a month (the company had previously sent me a faulty staircase, but we only noticed halfway through fitting). At 7 in the evening the neighbour came to complain about the noise and I apologised and we agreed to knock it on the head. He then went on to complain about the noise the previous week and I said I had no idea it had been bothering him and wished he'd said something at the time so that I could have done something about it. He then had a go at me, (I'm supposed to magically know what he and his wife will hear and be irritated by apparently) and said he wanted piece and quiet when he got home at 6 and if this happened again he'd be complaining to the council. I wrote this off as 'venting' and considered that the end to the matter, but remembered what he said about 6pm and thought that was reasonable enough.

In fairness, replacing the previous owner's attempt at a staircase (which was frankly dangerous) probably was a bit noisy, but in my defence, the neighbours' landlord had told me that the house had been soundproofed (it was only after this incident that he admitted he hadn't done the stairs actually), and since that the previous nice neighbours had played drums and I could barely hear them, I genuinely was surprised that the new neighbours could hear the work taking place. The neighbour's landlord himself had had an ongoing building site for about 18 months when he first bought the place - not always at entirely sociable hours - but we forgive him as, ultimately the work did need doing and he's generally a thoroughly decent guy.

For the neighbours, however, there is obviously a one-strike-and-you're-out policy. About a week later, the lady next door shouted loudly at her husband that she 'wished the neighbour (i.e. me) would SHUT UP!!!' as I was doing some finishing off work at 10 to 6 in order to be done by 6 as requested. I thought this sort of passive-aggressiveness was fairly immature and best ignored. While they will just about acknowledge me if I say good morning to them they then immediately turn the other way and pretend to be too busy to talk. My mother visited me, said good afternoon to them and they looked straight through her also. I generally ignore them as a rule as that's how they seem to like things and if they want to keep to themselves so be it.

Problem is this. I was away for two years during which time only my housemate was in the house. I got stuck abroad from December 2019 until this year due to depressing circumstances I won't bore you with. Before leaving, I went to the neighbours' door, told them I'd be away, why, and how to contact me should they need to for any reason. They looked a bit embarassed, but I pretended it was a normal conversation and said goodbye, leaving my contact details.

SO THAT WAS THE BACKGROUND

On my return from being abroad (but with the house always occupied by my housemate), I discovered that the boundary fence which I own was in poor condition. The neighbours still aren't talking to me apparently, so I wrote them a friendly letter asking for access to maintain the fence, while accepting that if they didn't want me in their garden, I'd have to find another way of marking the boundary (to be honest, a couple of posts and a single wire would suit me as I don't really like high fences in very small gardens, but I may as well maintain the fence for their/ their landlord's benefit plus the fact that they could simply erect a still taller fence on their side should I remove my own). I said they always seemed very busy and when might we have a chat?

They passed the letter on to their landlord who contacted me. He agreed I could have access to do the work. Today myself and my housemate took the fence down so it could be worked on and new posts fitted. We discovered the neighbours have painted their side of my fence with a modern synthetic paint without asking either of us for permission, but not painted their other fence which is presumably their landlord's property. The original finish was a genuine limewash, the timber (expensive) untreated pine boards and so 100% compostable (could have been used in the garden for lots of good things), whereas the new paint has meant the timber fence is landfill material when it eventually needs removal, which is pretty annoying with the current price of timber being what it is. Contacted the landlord who said he would come and sand it off, but I compromised and suggested he take on the painting of his side if his tenants want it to look nice as my limewash won't stick to it anyway.

Looking more carefully, they have also painted the front boundary fence with a synthetic paint rather than the much better linseed oil based paint it was originally painted with. Which was totally unnecessary and won't protect the timber as well as the original linseed oil finish even though I have to accept it looks brighter and whiter, but that's not the point.

I suppose I'm cheesed off that the neighbours want it both ways. I feel either they should talk to me (even though I was abroad, I would have given them suitable paint or limewash), or they should keep themselves to themselves without being, I feel, intrusive. And I'd like them to at least give me 10 minutes warning to shut the windows when they light their barbecue and the wind is coming my way, while we're on the subject.

Okay, so AIBU, and what do I do now? I don't really care that much about what has been done, but I don't want this kind of thing happening again.

OP posts:
worriedatthistime · 17/05/2022 10:45

Tbf law is on your side with the fence and has they have been dicks its probably why your more pissed off
Noise after 6 pm i don't think much would be done about and i would of ignored them from when they started being twats , and being rude
The rubbish : leaflets you should of reported to their landlord
When you replace the fence I would make it clear to the landlord that they need to seek permission to paint as fences aren't cheap and you want it maintained properly
My brother just moved into a house and his neighbours have moaned about stupid things but there kids screaming in the garden is apparently ok, people who moan about petty things then can expect neighbours to not put up with things from them as welL
With our neighbours we let bit of odd building noise etc go as if it is just here and there its no big deal and not worth falling out over

worriedatthistime · 17/05/2022 10:47

@AledsiPad why its neighbours who started the pettiness

Ric2013 · 17/05/2022 21:17

Fridafever · 17/05/2022 07:23

Yes, she can, if the fence is hers

Pretty sure OP is not a woman. The posting history is genuinely fascinating - posts very infrequently but always about boundary/ house issues. This house and his mum’s.

Correct - I'm not a woman. Never have been.

As for my posting history, what can I say? I find Mumsnet is the best place for answers to fence and neighbour related questions when they are doing my head in.

OP posts:
Ric2013 · 17/05/2022 21:30

Saucery · 17/05/2022 07:31

Your neighbours are petty, stop trying to be nice to them, ignore the small things and send the big things via the landlord.

Anyway…..paint. Have you used more natural paints and plasters inside your old house? We have a house of similar age and recurring damp problems. Been thinking of lime plaster and proper breathable paint, not modern stuff that seals in the moisture,

I've used the Auro emulsions. Actually got on better with the cheaper one, though I had to keep stirring it while I was using it. The more expensive one that is more washable is hard to get a good finish on.

I'm not sure how much paint contributes to damp issues in the scheme of things, but I'm far from an expert. I only know what I've picked up over time.

If you are having damp issues, have you considered the famous lime vs cement pointing considerations? Lots about that online. Also, if the walls don't have a damp proof course and someone has chucked in a concrete floor, the soil below the walls normally sits wet and damp comes up through the walls as it can't escape elsewhere, as it would were the suspended timber floors still in place (assuming the house originally had such floors). I've lived through all this, which was what forced the stair replacement.

As an aside, someone mentioned the Party Wall Act in relation to the replacement of the stairs. While the Act does refer to works near a party wall, by 'works', they don't mean any work - it has to be something that might actually affect the wall (the stairs are fixed to the wall, but they put about as much strain on it as a bookshelf since nearly all the weight rests on the floors). For reference, I have a friend whose neighbours complained to Building Control that she hadn't advised them under the Party Wall Act that she was fitting loft boards or something equally trivial. Building Control replied that she didn't need to advise them for that sort of thing.

OP posts:
Ric2013 · 17/05/2022 21:41

LookItsMeAgain · 17/05/2022 08:19

My advice - put whatever fence you want up - just inside your boundary line. Advise their landlord that you are doing this and that he is to put up fences for his tenants inside their boundary line (so they are back to back). You look after your fence and paint it whatever way you want to, they look after their fence however they want to.
Issue resolved!

It's good advice, except that the fence is already inside the boundary line. It's not a shared fence.

The neighbours landlord does not want to put up his own fence as he has explicitely stated and I cannot force him. Equally, the landlord cannot force me to keep any fence there of my own as there are no restrictive covanants or whatever they call them on the houses.

In an ideal world, for me, there would be no fence at all, or something that provided maximum sun and airflow as then my plants would get more sun and washing would dry quicker. In practice, if I just put down a couple of boundary markers or whatever, it will upset not only the neighbours, but also their landlord with whom I would like to keep on good terms.

OP posts:
Ric2013 · 17/05/2022 21:44

Brefugee · 17/05/2022 09:25

stopped reading at "who are renting". That doesn't stop you speaking to them about things they are doing that are unneighbourly.

Keep reading. The fact that they are renting was mentioned for clarity as otherwise you'd be wondering why I refer to a mystery landlord and why he's getting involved.

OP posts:
Ric2013 · 17/05/2022 21:54

Brefugee · 17/05/2022 09:34

also that's a lot of TL;DR to say you keep the fence because... why? if you don't want a high fence, or any fence, don't have one. If they want a fence they can check with the landlord* and put one up themselves. AFAIK it can be up to 6 feet.

Also even if you have the landlord's permission to enter the garden, did you inform the neighbours when you'd be in there? You didn't inform them about noisy work in your house, so i guess they don't feel they have to let you know when they fire up the BBQ. (agree their requirement that it stop at 6pm is batshit. You should have discussed that at the time)

It seems that the relationship between you and your neighbours isn't good. Just keep it polite, let them know when noisy stuff is going on and hopefully in time they'll do the same to you.

*people on here, really? "don't have a landlord above you" who the fuck do you think you all are?

Sadly the fence can be 2 metres, which is 6'7", which, in a 12' garden would block virtually all light and I could only grow moss and honesty. Plus I'd be putting washing out the front as it would never dry out the back.

Had it been possible to talk to my neighbours, I wouldn't have bothered the landlord at all for permission to access. He cannot give his tenants' consent for me to enter their garden, so it really is they that need to give me permission rather than the landlord. Regarding the access, I wrote to the tenants asking to have a chat to discuss access and they passed the letter on to their landlord and continued to ignore me. The landlord contacted me to discuss and agreed to let them know on my behalf as they don't want to discuss with me. I gave 2 weeks' notice before starting work.

I agree with your comment about 'don't have a landlord above you', by the way. In any case, they are PITAs, and the only neighbours I've ever not got on with, but I could do far worse and the landlord will hardly not renew their tenancy just because they have issues, so it's not really relevant that I don't have a landlord.

OP posts:
Hollygolightly86 · 18/05/2022 08:18

SoupDragon · 17/05/2022 10:01

If you read the thread you'd see that the OP explained that.

No that’s not the reason! She could have mentioned the landlord without the statement ‘who are renting’
Snobbery at its finest. All this fuss about a fence, she doesn’t like them because they rent.

SoupDragon · 18/05/2022 10:15

Hollygolightly86 · 18/05/2022 08:18

No that’s not the reason! She could have mentioned the landlord without the statement ‘who are renting’
Snobbery at its finest. All this fuss about a fence, she doesn’t like them because they rent.

Don't be ridiculous.

it is appropriate information because they do not own the house and are therefore not responsible for anything.

Indicatrice · 18/05/2022 11:48

@Hollygolightly86

She could have mentioned the landlord without the statement ‘who are renting’

OP said 'In 2019 my new neighbours (who are renting) moved in.'

Are you saying she should have said 'In 2019 my landlord let his house'?

SoupDragon · 18/05/2022 11:54

Indicatrice · 18/05/2022 11:48

@Hollygolightly86

She could have mentioned the landlord without the statement ‘who are renting’

OP said 'In 2019 my new neighbours (who are renting) moved in.'

Are you saying she should have said 'In 2019 my landlord let his house'?

Either way it would have been shot down as "wrong" and "snobbery" despite it simply being factual and appropriate information.

Hollygolightly86 · 18/05/2022 13:51

SoupDragon · 18/05/2022 11:54

Either way it would have been shot down as "wrong" and "snobbery" despite it simply being factual and appropriate information.

You all know what she was getting at! I’m an owner but that doesn’t make me any more important than a renter. Neighbours irritate neighbours, it’s not relevant that they rent in the context of the post 🙄

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Indicatrice · 18/05/2022 17:08

@Hollygolightly86

You all know what she was getting at! I’m an owner but that doesn’t make me any more important than a renter. Neighbours irritate neighbours, it’s not relevant that they rent in the context of the post 🙄

It's a he, not a she! In this case the neighbours being tenants is entirely relevant as the neighbours (rightly) passed OP's letter requesting access to maintain the fence to their landlord, and it's the LL who offered to sand off the bad paint job his tenants did. Because (rightly) he is ultimately responsible as owner.

No one is 'getting' at anything.

Hollygolightly86 · 18/05/2022 20:21

Indicatrice · 18/05/2022 17:08

@Hollygolightly86

You all know what she was getting at! I’m an owner but that doesn’t make me any more important than a renter. Neighbours irritate neighbours, it’s not relevant that they rent in the context of the post 🙄

It's a he, not a she! In this case the neighbours being tenants is entirely relevant as the neighbours (rightly) passed OP's letter requesting access to maintain the fence to their landlord, and it's the LL who offered to sand off the bad paint job his tenants did. Because (rightly) he is ultimately responsible as owner.

No one is 'getting' at anything.

Ok cheers

Ric2013 · 19/05/2022 22:16

@DaisyQuakeJohnson

I think yours may well be the winning post in this thread. I actually had occasion to speak to the guy next door while working on the fence posts. He obviously saw me sweep off his path and he came out to put his washing out and seemed more pleased I'd finished the dusty bit than annoyed that I'd been making dust (and in the most respectful way possible - I'd screened the work area, but dust always gets in the wind). Later, I handed him a parcel that he hadn't answered the door for and he actually thanked me. This made me wonder, perhaps his wife has problems with her nerves and he's just stressed trying to be everything to everyone. Perhaps they aren't actively avoiding me, but they're just a bit odd, and I've been reading into it all a bit much. It's even possible that the 'passive aggression' is just someone being vocal in her own house and her way of dealing with life and not especially aimed at me.

It is interesting that I mentioned the DIY episode from 3 years ago. It may be irrelevant, and we don't even know if they even still remember that I made a noise back then. Perhaps they have forgotten all about it. I obviously was offended at his leaving me with 'If this happens again I'll be reporting etc etc' as it implied that I needed that sort of threat to be a good neighbour. I suppose thats the only reason I remember it. The two issues are separate, or should be.

They are not the first neighbours I have ever upset. The difference is that the previous time I upset a neighbour, he was a different sort of character who never brewed on something that upset him - he'd just tell you there and then in colourful language. That settled the matter immediately and we could drink tea together later that afternoon.

Actually the BBQ wasn't a big deal at all. The previous week I was enjoying a weekend evening in my garden and they decided to burn some old documents which made acrid paper smoke. I just went indoors as it was getting cold anyway. I'm not even sure I had a window open, so I'm probably just worried that they would have done it with a window open and smoke going my way. So I'm annoyed about something they haven't even done. That is truly ridiculous.

Regarding the fence, I am cheesed off. They've also painted the front fence which has an entirely different (better) paint system that shouldn't have needed repainting for another 7 years, so they've possibly just butchered a paint system that only needed re-applying every 15 years into one that needs much more than that. If you see a fence as a disposable item, then it's one thing. If you see it as £500 of timber, only parts of which are likely to need periodic replacement if a long-term view to maintenance, it is quite another, and though I dislike fences when they are only there to isolate people (fences built for a purpose, such as to keep deer off vegetables are another matter), I had taken the long-term approach. Which is why, for instance, I used stainless steel screws - to make dismantling easy. Getting the screws out of the slats is harder if the heads are choked with acrylic paint however. An extra 30 seconds multiplied by a hundred screws is nearly an hour!

Basically, there are various ways of keeping wood from rotting: one is to keep it dry by creating a barrier to moisture, another is to create an environment that fungi find toxic, yet another is to allow the wood to 'breathe' so it doesn't sit wet. I'm sure all methods work, but you can't mix and match. You certainly cannot complain that a paint isn't protecting the wood when you've mixed it with other paints and it is quite possible that a piece of wood treated with one finish on one side and a different finish on the other will decay in a different way (faster or slower?) than one treated both sides with the same finish.

The fences are mine. Entirely. And the law backs that up. However, I have decided I am being unreasonable to be cheesed off with whoever did this paint job. I was thinking about what @DaisyQuakeJohnson said. While I think her way of seeing it (it must be alright to paint a fence because she did) is rather sanguine and is an attitude that risks getting her in hot water, it is fair to say that one person's graffiti is another person's Banksy, and, quite honesty, had mine been a (disposable) treated panel fence, I couldn't care less what the neighbours painted it with. (The colour is irrelevant to me.) While, legally, they should have asked, it is quite understandable that they didn't see the need.

Anyway. Decision is as follows: while the fence is down, I have removed the several ancient fencepost stubs (tidied the land properly instead of just adding more concrete). I have marked the existing fenceline with a line of paving slabs set on edge like a kerb. I've even marked some of them with 'boundary this side' and 'boundary other side' (not legally binding, but it makes it very clear where we historically have thought the boundary is and will help future owners and occupants out in years to come). It also retains my garden soil which follows the natural slope of the land, unlike my neighbour's garden which has been levelled to create a patio without considering the need to support the adjacent soil (or perhaps my soil level has been raised over the years - we'll never know). I have shifted the fenceline back around half an inch such that it clearly is not on the boundary.

I'm not going to let the landlord paint it either. Half of my resentment stems from the fact that I am maintaining a fence I don't see the point of, but which no one has specifically asked me to do in the first place, so I'm not going to get roped into feeling it is somehow a party fence and needing to apologise should I want to remove it some time (all the difficult maintenance will fall to me, whoever paints the far side anyway). I will limewash it and the limewash will stick where the acrylic paint has flaked off but not where it is protecting the wood. So it'll look alright, kind of. If the neighbour or neighbours want to let me limewash it regularly, I'll happily oblige (or I can provide them with limewash for them to do it), or they can deny me access and then it won't get done. If they dislike limewash then then they can put their own fence up on their own side: if I felt strongly about the sight of anyone else's fence, I would do the same.

As for my neighbours, I will ask the landlord to make it clear that the fences are my property and not to be painted by others, that the finish may be a bit sub-par for a while as I now need to see how the acrylic affects my maintenance schedule. But to say thanks for trying to help (I'm sure they genuinely think they meant well by painting them). And not to hesitate to discuss any maintenance concerns with me (via him if they want). In the long term, I will warn him that the front fence will eventually be removed and the timber re-used (it was only erected to allow a hedge to establish, and it is now nearly mature). The same will apply to the back fence and I will plant a slow-growing low maintenance hedge to take over, so the fence needs to last quite a few more years: the boundary is already marked on the ground. And I will stop worrying: my neighbours only complained once and the one time I gave them cause to complain. Informing them of any big jobs is a good idea but if they try to impose any unreasonable restrictions, I'll just refuse. They probably aren't deliberately winding me up anyway: I've been winding myself up.

No futher comments from me, m'lud. Unless there are any questions or I haven't been clear on something. Thank you all for your helpful comments and criticism. I think I'm seeing things rather differently now and certainly feel a lot less tense about it all.

OP posts:
Blarting · 20/05/2022 05:39

Ric2013 · 19/05/2022 22:16

@DaisyQuakeJohnson

I think yours may well be the winning post in this thread. I actually had occasion to speak to the guy next door while working on the fence posts. He obviously saw me sweep off his path and he came out to put his washing out and seemed more pleased I'd finished the dusty bit than annoyed that I'd been making dust (and in the most respectful way possible - I'd screened the work area, but dust always gets in the wind). Later, I handed him a parcel that he hadn't answered the door for and he actually thanked me. This made me wonder, perhaps his wife has problems with her nerves and he's just stressed trying to be everything to everyone. Perhaps they aren't actively avoiding me, but they're just a bit odd, and I've been reading into it all a bit much. It's even possible that the 'passive aggression' is just someone being vocal in her own house and her way of dealing with life and not especially aimed at me.

It is interesting that I mentioned the DIY episode from 3 years ago. It may be irrelevant, and we don't even know if they even still remember that I made a noise back then. Perhaps they have forgotten all about it. I obviously was offended at his leaving me with 'If this happens again I'll be reporting etc etc' as it implied that I needed that sort of threat to be a good neighbour. I suppose thats the only reason I remember it. The two issues are separate, or should be.

They are not the first neighbours I have ever upset. The difference is that the previous time I upset a neighbour, he was a different sort of character who never brewed on something that upset him - he'd just tell you there and then in colourful language. That settled the matter immediately and we could drink tea together later that afternoon.

Actually the BBQ wasn't a big deal at all. The previous week I was enjoying a weekend evening in my garden and they decided to burn some old documents which made acrid paper smoke. I just went indoors as it was getting cold anyway. I'm not even sure I had a window open, so I'm probably just worried that they would have done it with a window open and smoke going my way. So I'm annoyed about something they haven't even done. That is truly ridiculous.

Regarding the fence, I am cheesed off. They've also painted the front fence which has an entirely different (better) paint system that shouldn't have needed repainting for another 7 years, so they've possibly just butchered a paint system that only needed re-applying every 15 years into one that needs much more than that. If you see a fence as a disposable item, then it's one thing. If you see it as £500 of timber, only parts of which are likely to need periodic replacement if a long-term view to maintenance, it is quite another, and though I dislike fences when they are only there to isolate people (fences built for a purpose, such as to keep deer off vegetables are another matter), I had taken the long-term approach. Which is why, for instance, I used stainless steel screws - to make dismantling easy. Getting the screws out of the slats is harder if the heads are choked with acrylic paint however. An extra 30 seconds multiplied by a hundred screws is nearly an hour!

Basically, there are various ways of keeping wood from rotting: one is to keep it dry by creating a barrier to moisture, another is to create an environment that fungi find toxic, yet another is to allow the wood to 'breathe' so it doesn't sit wet. I'm sure all methods work, but you can't mix and match. You certainly cannot complain that a paint isn't protecting the wood when you've mixed it with other paints and it is quite possible that a piece of wood treated with one finish on one side and a different finish on the other will decay in a different way (faster or slower?) than one treated both sides with the same finish.

The fences are mine. Entirely. And the law backs that up. However, I have decided I am being unreasonable to be cheesed off with whoever did this paint job. I was thinking about what @DaisyQuakeJohnson said. While I think her way of seeing it (it must be alright to paint a fence because she did) is rather sanguine and is an attitude that risks getting her in hot water, it is fair to say that one person's graffiti is another person's Banksy, and, quite honesty, had mine been a (disposable) treated panel fence, I couldn't care less what the neighbours painted it with. (The colour is irrelevant to me.) While, legally, they should have asked, it is quite understandable that they didn't see the need.

Anyway. Decision is as follows: while the fence is down, I have removed the several ancient fencepost stubs (tidied the land properly instead of just adding more concrete). I have marked the existing fenceline with a line of paving slabs set on edge like a kerb. I've even marked some of them with 'boundary this side' and 'boundary other side' (not legally binding, but it makes it very clear where we historically have thought the boundary is and will help future owners and occupants out in years to come). It also retains my garden soil which follows the natural slope of the land, unlike my neighbour's garden which has been levelled to create a patio without considering the need to support the adjacent soil (or perhaps my soil level has been raised over the years - we'll never know). I have shifted the fenceline back around half an inch such that it clearly is not on the boundary.

I'm not going to let the landlord paint it either. Half of my resentment stems from the fact that I am maintaining a fence I don't see the point of, but which no one has specifically asked me to do in the first place, so I'm not going to get roped into feeling it is somehow a party fence and needing to apologise should I want to remove it some time (all the difficult maintenance will fall to me, whoever paints the far side anyway). I will limewash it and the limewash will stick where the acrylic paint has flaked off but not where it is protecting the wood. So it'll look alright, kind of. If the neighbour or neighbours want to let me limewash it regularly, I'll happily oblige (or I can provide them with limewash for them to do it), or they can deny me access and then it won't get done. If they dislike limewash then then they can put their own fence up on their own side: if I felt strongly about the sight of anyone else's fence, I would do the same.

As for my neighbours, I will ask the landlord to make it clear that the fences are my property and not to be painted by others, that the finish may be a bit sub-par for a while as I now need to see how the acrylic affects my maintenance schedule. But to say thanks for trying to help (I'm sure they genuinely think they meant well by painting them). And not to hesitate to discuss any maintenance concerns with me (via him if they want). In the long term, I will warn him that the front fence will eventually be removed and the timber re-used (it was only erected to allow a hedge to establish, and it is now nearly mature). The same will apply to the back fence and I will plant a slow-growing low maintenance hedge to take over, so the fence needs to last quite a few more years: the boundary is already marked on the ground. And I will stop worrying: my neighbours only complained once and the one time I gave them cause to complain. Informing them of any big jobs is a good idea but if they try to impose any unreasonable restrictions, I'll just refuse. They probably aren't deliberately winding me up anyway: I've been winding myself up.

No futher comments from me, m'lud. Unless there are any questions or I haven't been clear on something. Thank you all for your helpful comments and criticism. I think I'm seeing things rather differently now and certainly feel a lot less tense about it all.

I can see why you rub your neighbours up the wrong way.

The term "has trouble with her nerves" is from 1950s, extremely rude and derogatory.

You've too much time on your hands, get a hobby and stop annoying everyone.

Ric2013 · 20/05/2022 21:06

Blarting · 20/05/2022 05:39

I can see why you rub your neighbours up the wrong way.

The term "has trouble with her nerves" is from 1950s, extremely rude and derogatory.

You've too much time on your hands, get a hobby and stop annoying everyone.

I must apologise then. I wasn't aware the term 'problems with ones' nerves' is derogatory in any way. Since I know some people do find it offensive being suspected as being mentally ill (although illness itself, whether mental or physical, is actually nothing to be ashamed of) and I'm not a doctor, I was very wary of making a diagnosis. Hence I limited myself to using a very vague, old, term. If the term is offensive, I apologise. I used it unaware of this. Now I know.

My point is that I can try to be compassionate and make allowances for her/their unusual behaviour and for blanking me and members of my family when we have merely said hello rather than assume it is rudeness and that seems a better way forward.

I've spend an extra three hours cleaning around some badly applied paint put on a fence by someone who has no responsibility for its ongoing maintenance (and no understanding on how to apply paint finishes properly else they'd have made a better job of it) and will have to spend more time maintaining it in future. Instead of going off like a bull in a china shop and taking my neighbours to court for the cost of a decorator to sand off the paint in a workshop (which really would be annoying people for the sake of it), I went on Mumsnet and listened to what other people had to say before taking any action.

Surely thanking my neighbours for caring but asking them politely to leave maintenance of my fences to me in future, or to discuss their maintenance ideas if they feel a need to get involved does not amount to 'annoying people' and would resolve the issue to everyone's satisfaction?

OP posts:
Blarting · 20/05/2022 21:33

@Ric2013 I think you must bore your neighbours into anger!

Ric2013 · 21/05/2022 10:16

Blarting · 20/05/2022 21:33

@Ric2013 I think you must bore your neighbours into anger!

lol

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Fraaahnces · 15/03/2023 10:08

The fact that they ONLY painted your fences and not the others leaves me convinced that they know this already. They don’t care. You were away, so they did what they wanted. I suspect you actually have a case for criminal damage, if anything.

Ric2013 · 20/03/2023 20:41

@Fraaahnces Probably, but I have more urgent things to be doing. Taking this to court would feel a bit petty, though an apology would have gone a long way. I'm sure you are right, however.

An amusing thing happened today. I received a text from the landlord of next door. Apparently my neighbours have complained to their landlord (still ignoring me entirely) of the grinding and drilling etc. noises that they hear coming from my house fairly late, once as late as 21.30. He was polite and I phoned him for a friendly chat.

The reason this is amusing is that I haven't been doing any building work lately. As I said, the only grinder I've used recently (i.e. this year), is a coffee grinder (once, to make some icing sugar). We've agreed to keep in touch and try to catch a noise as it happens with a view to working out where it is coming from.

Mysteries eh? It'll be a laugh if turns out they're annoyed with me because of "noise I'm making" and we discover it was the wind in the chimney or the house across the road!

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