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AIBU To be a bit cheesed off with my neighbours (terraced house)

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Ric2013 · 16/05/2022 21:21

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In 2019 my new neighbours (who are renting) moved in. First met them outside - their sofa wouldn't fit through their front door and I suggested they access through my garden instead. A few days later I had them over for tea and biscuits and we always had a chat when we bumped into one another.

A month or so later, my father came to visit for a fortnight and took on a major DIY project. Bit of a pain as we had to replace the stairs for the second time in a month (the company had previously sent me a faulty staircase, but we only noticed halfway through fitting). At 7 in the evening the neighbour came to complain about the noise and I apologised and we agreed to knock it on the head. He then went on to complain about the noise the previous week and I said I had no idea it had been bothering him and wished he'd said something at the time so that I could have done something about it. He then had a go at me, (I'm supposed to magically know what he and his wife will hear and be irritated by apparently) and said he wanted piece and quiet when he got home at 6 and if this happened again he'd be complaining to the council. I wrote this off as 'venting' and considered that the end to the matter, but remembered what he said about 6pm and thought that was reasonable enough.

In fairness, replacing the previous owner's attempt at a staircase (which was frankly dangerous) probably was a bit noisy, but in my defence, the neighbours' landlord had told me that the house had been soundproofed (it was only after this incident that he admitted he hadn't done the stairs actually), and since that the previous nice neighbours had played drums and I could barely hear them, I genuinely was surprised that the new neighbours could hear the work taking place. The neighbour's landlord himself had had an ongoing building site for about 18 months when he first bought the place - not always at entirely sociable hours - but we forgive him as, ultimately the work did need doing and he's generally a thoroughly decent guy.

For the neighbours, however, there is obviously a one-strike-and-you're-out policy. About a week later, the lady next door shouted loudly at her husband that she 'wished the neighbour (i.e. me) would SHUT UP!!!' as I was doing some finishing off work at 10 to 6 in order to be done by 6 as requested. I thought this sort of passive-aggressiveness was fairly immature and best ignored. While they will just about acknowledge me if I say good morning to them they then immediately turn the other way and pretend to be too busy to talk. My mother visited me, said good afternoon to them and they looked straight through her also. I generally ignore them as a rule as that's how they seem to like things and if they want to keep to themselves so be it.

Problem is this. I was away for two years during which time only my housemate was in the house. I got stuck abroad from December 2019 until this year due to depressing circumstances I won't bore you with. Before leaving, I went to the neighbours' door, told them I'd be away, why, and how to contact me should they need to for any reason. They looked a bit embarassed, but I pretended it was a normal conversation and said goodbye, leaving my contact details.

SO THAT WAS THE BACKGROUND

On my return from being abroad (but with the house always occupied by my housemate), I discovered that the boundary fence which I own was in poor condition. The neighbours still aren't talking to me apparently, so I wrote them a friendly letter asking for access to maintain the fence, while accepting that if they didn't want me in their garden, I'd have to find another way of marking the boundary (to be honest, a couple of posts and a single wire would suit me as I don't really like high fences in very small gardens, but I may as well maintain the fence for their/ their landlord's benefit plus the fact that they could simply erect a still taller fence on their side should I remove my own). I said they always seemed very busy and when might we have a chat?

They passed the letter on to their landlord who contacted me. He agreed I could have access to do the work. Today myself and my housemate took the fence down so it could be worked on and new posts fitted. We discovered the neighbours have painted their side of my fence with a modern synthetic paint without asking either of us for permission, but not painted their other fence which is presumably their landlord's property. The original finish was a genuine limewash, the timber (expensive) untreated pine boards and so 100% compostable (could have been used in the garden for lots of good things), whereas the new paint has meant the timber fence is landfill material when it eventually needs removal, which is pretty annoying with the current price of timber being what it is. Contacted the landlord who said he would come and sand it off, but I compromised and suggested he take on the painting of his side if his tenants want it to look nice as my limewash won't stick to it anyway.

Looking more carefully, they have also painted the front boundary fence with a synthetic paint rather than the much better linseed oil based paint it was originally painted with. Which was totally unnecessary and won't protect the timber as well as the original linseed oil finish even though I have to accept it looks brighter and whiter, but that's not the point.

I suppose I'm cheesed off that the neighbours want it both ways. I feel either they should talk to me (even though I was abroad, I would have given them suitable paint or limewash), or they should keep themselves to themselves without being, I feel, intrusive. And I'd like them to at least give me 10 minutes warning to shut the windows when they light their barbecue and the wind is coming my way, while we're on the subject.

Okay, so AIBU, and what do I do now? I don't really care that much about what has been done, but I don't want this kind of thing happening again.

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holdingonfordearlife · 16/05/2022 23:50

So have I got this correct? You are complaining about the paint on a fence that has actually now been taken down so completely irrelevant?

If that's the case you are being very unreasonable.

Consult with their landlords directly next time

safclass · 17/05/2022 00:03

We live in a small terrace with small gardens similar size to yours. We share a fence with neighbours one way, I've never asked what colour /type of paint they or I should use , we both just paint it, and neighbours up often have BBQ or fire out going. They never mention it before hand but we don't have a problem with it. We get on well with both sides.

Aconitum · 17/05/2022 00:08

holdingonfordearlife · 16/05/2022 23:50

So have I got this correct? You are complaining about the paint on a fence that has actually now been taken down so completely irrelevant?

If that's the case you are being very unreasonable.

Consult with their landlords directly next time

But it is her fence so they have acted illegally by painting her side of it and it is now of no use for anything else because it has synthetic paint on it. Next door neighbours are totally out of order. OP is absolutely not being unreasonable and needs to stop worrying about their feelings/comments and live a normal noisy life.
On a side note - Tory voting renters - is that allowed on MN?

Ric2013 · 17/05/2022 00:11

DixonD · 16/05/2022 23:27

It’s hard to work out which one of you is being most irritating.

Construction noise when most people get back from work would drive anyone nuts.

The fact that you let their comments stop you from making any normal “life noise” is really irritating. You are allowed to do gardening at the weekend. Who cares if they make a comment. Just dig louder!

The BBQ thing - most people don’t let their neighbours know when they are having a BBQ. If I had to do that, I just wouldn’t bother having one. What a pain in the arse.

I have a feeling that the fence thing and the BBQ thing gets to you because you don’t like each other.

Absolutely. And he was quite right to come around and complain when we lost track of the time. When he did complain, we stopped work immediately and then I afterwards ensured any work took place during normal working hours (which I quite frankly would have preferred in the first place had my father not decided that was how he and I had to spend the holiday :( ). That was 3 years ago, mind you, and could have been the end of the matter.

As he/they now seem to work from home (but not every day and I have more urgent things to do than stay in to spy on them to work out when they are out), it would be far better all round if I knew what days any needed construction noise could take place with minimal inconvenience to them. I think this year I have probably had four days on work that might be considered noisy took place. The stair project is finished, so it's now just general maintenance and a bit of decorating. Obviously, the house being 150 years old and not having been fully refurbished ever (and thoroughly bodged by previous owners), it is inevitable that some work will be required from time to time to stop it reverting to nature.

They may be irritated by other noises at certain times - perhaps the washing machine? But as they don't say anything I can only assume that since I can't hear it spinning from upstairs, then neither can they. And get on with life, as you say.

Re the BBQ, I've just had a realisation as I type this. Basically, all I would have hoped for was a quick knock or shout over the fence to warn me - not advanced written warning or anything stupid. But I'm the one who's being illogical here. Basically, they've been rude to me for 3 years for something that should have been resolved and settled there and then I'm now surprised by their inconsiderate behaviour. So it is illogical to expect them to apply their own standards to themselves.

As far as the fence is concerned, it annoys me primarily because it was my baby, so to speak, and I feel it's been ruined, and because I try to hold myself to the same standard as I hold others to, so I would never have done this to his fence, but I'm very sure you're right that I'd be less upset had the previous neighbours done it.

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Ric2013 · 17/05/2022 00:12

holdingonfordearlife · 16/05/2022 23:50

So have I got this correct? You are complaining about the paint on a fence that has actually now been taken down so completely irrelevant?

If that's the case you are being very unreasonable.

Consult with their landlords directly next time

No, not correct.

Clarification: Taken down for repair and restoration and to be put back up when repaired.

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Ric2013 · 17/05/2022 00:14

FictionalCharacter · 16/05/2022 23:47

I don’t think you were being OTT about the fence at all. I would have felt the same. Never heard of limewash, I’ll look that up for my new fence!
The sarky comments while you do gardening and your housemate sweeps is really petty. I agree with PPs that the best thing to do is ignore them, but that’s easier said than done when someone makes comments that are clearly aimed at you and said for you to hear.

Limewash is lovely to look at and cheap. But you need a number of coats and it goes transparent in rain (which is kind of cool as it becomes white again as it dries). But it needs at least annual repainting to look good. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it.

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Onthedunes · 17/05/2022 00:16

I don't really understand the fence, yes you have taken it down and it's unusable, (presuming it's tannalized wood)yes it's annoying but you can't control everything, let it go, some people have bad taste.

What's gone up? posts with a chain, so why talk of them maintaining it.

The stairs, years ago, it is a bit late 7pm to be banging a staircase in, was it fully made up before it came to your home, or was it constructed stair by stair by you and dad.
It's too late and you should have warned them, forget the crap about soundproofing. The barbecue, yeah in such a small terrace house, I suppose it's kinder for them to warn you if you have washing out but otherwise no, it aint that bad.

You don't say what your hobbies are, do you play an instument unless it's a trombone or something, god knows, it can't be that bad. Digging a hole with a small trowel, surely you're exagerating or sweeping up, they can't be telling you off for this.

It all seems very petty but if you feel intimidated and the guy's built like the terminator, then I understand your concern.
Are you scared of him ?

FictionalCharacter · 17/05/2022 00:23

Ric2013 · 17/05/2022 00:14

Limewash is lovely to look at and cheap. But you need a number of coats and it goes transparent in rain (which is kind of cool as it becomes white again as it dries). But it needs at least annual repainting to look good. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it.

Hm. Is there anything similar that you’d recommend?

Ric2013 · 17/05/2022 01:14

Onthedunes · 17/05/2022 00:16

I don't really understand the fence, yes you have taken it down and it's unusable, (presuming it's tannalized wood)yes it's annoying but you can't control everything, let it go, some people have bad taste.

What's gone up? posts with a chain, so why talk of them maintaining it.

The stairs, years ago, it is a bit late 7pm to be banging a staircase in, was it fully made up before it came to your home, or was it constructed stair by stair by you and dad.
It's too late and you should have warned them, forget the crap about soundproofing. The barbecue, yeah in such a small terrace house, I suppose it's kinder for them to warn you if you have washing out but otherwise no, it aint that bad.

You don't say what your hobbies are, do you play an instument unless it's a trombone or something, god knows, it can't be that bad. Digging a hole with a small trowel, surely you're exagerating or sweeping up, they can't be telling you off for this.

It all seems very petty but if you feel intimidated and the guy's built like the terminator, then I understand your concern.
Are you scared of him ?

Fence was untreated pine, and taken down only for restoration. Now can only be repaired not properly restored as it has now had gloss or acylic to one side. Was hoping to maintain it for 5 years or so, grow a slow-growing hedge (less maintenance and annoyance) behind it, then remove fence and re-purpose wood. Paint flakes in the ground are waste plastic and probably harm worms, so wouldn't want the wood re-purposed in any place it could rot. Limewash is basically just burnt stone, and lime is used in compost mixes, so not a pollutant.

My point about the post and chainlink is that is what I WOULD HAVE put up if it weren't for the sake of the neighbour's landlord who I get on with well (and the fact that he'd just put his own 2m fence up, so by keeping my slightly lower one, I at least get to choose what it looks like).

Stairs. Yes I take your point, and haven't said I wasn't in the wrong, but as said before it was 3 years ago. For contrast, the landlord made a similar noise at 7.30 many years ago, refused to stop as it was the last day the workmen were there, and we got over it a day or two later because life's too short. My stairs were pressembled, but there was a winder at the bottom, the build quality was poor and the timber was improperly seasoned, so the last 5 steps involved removal and refitting, and lots of fiddling about. Because the steps are held in with wedges which are knocked in, it probably was quite noisy.

Actual hobbies involving being at home: Read books, watch films, gardening (make all my own potting mixes, but no power tools involved), taking things apart and repairing them. Have friends over and play boardgames onceevery few weeks maybe. My housemate plays the piano, but it's off in an extension out the back and the neighbours will chat with her so obviously not causing an issue. I'm not sure any of my hobbies are especially noisy, though I do remember a few nights ago filling in a form for my mother and it seemed neatest to do it with a typewriter, but it wasn't 10 o'clock at night or anything like that and only took a few minutes. I suppose I was thinking the other evening it would be nice to file some bits of metal smooth (its a thing for a broken washing machine a friend of mine wants to weld up for me, not just random bits of metal) as it's something I could do while sitting down, but I realised it wasn't really an evening hobby in a terraced house. But even if I'm watching a film, I'm usually in bed by 10 or 11 and it'll be on my laptop at the volume required to hear what people are saying, so not a noisy activity either. I'm not pussyfooting around them, but I'm just trying to be reasonable (also as I have neighbours both sides).

The sweeping up comment I overheard from the garden was 'it sounds like next door is having a DIY party'. This was the lady next door (and it is entirely possible she meant the other side, and not us at all, though I couldn't hear anything, so they obviously were't drilling or hammering and I'm just reading into it too much). In fairness my housemate is very clumsy and if she sweeps the floor, the broom will always find a skirting board or radiator pipe to knock into, and I don't think she can help it.

I actually suspect the man would be alright with me, though he barely says anything even when he's on his own. Sometimes 'hi' and then turns away. When you hear them talk in the garden, his voice always sounds quite jolly, but I don't really hear her talking as she's much quieter, unless she's moaning and swearing about something. The other day, I forgot they don't want to talk to me and said hi as they were walking into the house while I was in the front garden. He nodded and started to turn to face me, then quickly prevented himself and turned away again. It was as if he'd forgotten he didn't want to talk to me.

I'm not scared of either of them. If anything, they must be scared of me, seeing as they don't feel able to talk to me in person (which would have avoided nearly all this ridiculous story), though I like to feel I'm approachable. I just don't like to be a disturbance to others: I had a student house at a previous address and the not infrequent late-night noise often prevented me sleeping. Bear in mind that until today I have never bothered to complain to their landlord about them, so however petty I may or not be, they won't be aware of it.

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Ric2013 · 17/05/2022 02:04

FictionalCharacter · 17/05/2022 00:23

Hm. Is there anything similar that you’d recommend?

Yes - let's talk about paint: I'm bored with fences too :)

In fairness, I expect limewash is only cheap if you happen to have some lime putty to water down into limewash, but I don't think they sell it in the small quantities you'd probably need. Random fact... I happened to have some as my mother ran a weird hemp and lime brick making company for a couple of years.

The Allback (Swedish) linseed oil paints are very expensive, but a little goes a long way. They have very long drying times (you need at least 3 days between coats) and have a tendency to develop mildew. As they have a metallic pigment, they cannot be 100% eco, or truly compostable like limewash is, but I suppose they don't contain plastic at least.

The manufacturer makes all sorts of claims for these paints that aren't entirely true. But, that they don't peel and trap water in the same way as gloss can does seem to be true. It's not that they cannot peel off at all, but you don't get that thing where a tiny crack lets in water, it soaks the wood and there's 3" of rotten timber hidden below the surface, or where large flakes come off. If anything, it can slowly wear off and the bare wood can grin through in places. But the linseed oil is still in the timber which seems to keep water out without trapping it. Plus, this paint doesn't seem to go tacky as it dries so you don't end up with a coating of dead flies.

As a decorative finish, it's a bit of an acquired taste due to the potential for mould and the fact that it is not that hard-wearing and sometimes seems to wear away, especially on new, smooth, timber which is less absorbent than old or rough timber. The south-facing front fence here was painted in this finish back in 2014 on (the posts and rails were untreated redwood = pine) and hasn't been maintained at all in that time (I washed it once, I think). So it's quite impressive that the only rot is at ground level. There doesn't seem to be any rot, not even at the joints where you would expect water to get in. I suppose it could be maintained with a maintenance coat every 6 or 7 years, but I'm waiting for the posts to rot and then I'll take it down as it was only ever there to protect a hedge that was planted at the same time. Indoors, it works well, but tends to yellow as all white glosses do. Externally, the white can go rather grubby looking, though it seems to whiten a little with age, or maybe you just get used to the look?

Applied around 5 years ago to a door-number backplate on the south-facing wall which was already half-rotten when it was previously coated with Dulux Weathershield (and continuing to rot), linseed oil paint painted seems to have stopped water getting in and the wooden plate seems to have dried out and stabilised even where the paint is on a bit that had been rotting away. So it actually seems to have worked in preserving wood that was already rotten.

The manufacturer now recommends a highly poisonous zinc oxide compound be added to the paint for external use, but my experience is it can go mouldy anyway in our wet climate, especially on old wood. When the outside timber (fascia boards etc) were last painted, we still used this kind of paint, but opted for a dark green. So the mould doesn't show.

I suspect the early gloss paints were very similar to this and that the linseed oil in them is as much a reason so many Victorian windows have lasted this long as the quality of the timber. Of course, most of them are now being treated with modern glosses which saves on labour and gives a better finish, but perhaps doesn't protect in the same way.

Sadly with paints there is always a compromise, I think. I've also experimented with acylic (Bedec Barn) and it is phenomenol stuff. Water based, not expensive, dries almost instantly, looks good, but I'm not convinced it protects anything like as well as linseed oil (water seemed to be getting into the wood where there was a split), and it is a plastic coating, so we're back to it being a highly chemical product and, of course, paints pollute when they are being made as well as when they are being used.

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WibblyWobblyJane · 17/05/2022 03:24

I would be upset by the passive aggressive comments. The only way I know to counter that is to be very direct in response. “I can actually hear you!” “By the way, could you give me a shout when you plan to barbecue so that I can close my window?”

Just keep being kind, direct, polite you despite their being passive aggressive. And be glad you don’t have to live with either of them.

Jacopo · 17/05/2022 04:04

Why don’t you use normal wood preservative which lasts for decades.

Onthedunes · 17/05/2022 04:14

Jacopo · 17/05/2022 04:04

Why don’t you use normal wood preservative which lasts for decades.

For Gods sake don't ask him that. 😂

Ducksinthebath · 17/05/2022 06:45

Ric2013 · 16/05/2022 22:12

Not generally, but since the barbecue was 10' from my open window (gardens are around 15' long by 12' wide) and the smoke was going that way, it would have been nice.

Is your garden as small as ours, I wonder?

Central London Victorian terrace so 10ft x 10ft so maybe smaller?

Hrpuffnstuff1 · 17/05/2022 06:53

Just for future reference.
It is generally accepted that building work is permissible between 8 am and 6 pm, Monday to Friday, 8 am to 1 pm on a Saturday, and generally, no noisy work at all on a Sunday unless it's an emergency

Blarting · 17/05/2022 06:54

If you ever go on unreasonable veracity challenge you can have your specialist subject as fence paint!

Did your friend have any issues n the two years you were away?

Soontobe60 · 17/05/2022 07:00

Ric2013 · 16/05/2022 22:12

Not generally, but since the barbecue was 10' from my open window (gardens are around 15' long by 12' wide) and the smoke was going that way, it would have been nice.

Is your garden as small as ours, I wonder?

That’s not a garden, it’s a postage stamp 😂

Your houses must be tiny! Replacing a staircase not once but twice would have been very very annoying for your neighbours. You’re working on a party wall - did you send the landlord a party wall agreement?

Indicatrice · 17/05/2022 07:04

YANBU, the fence is your property, they had no right to paint it without your permission.

Why didn’t you just let the landlord sand the synthetic paint off? He would then have also had a good reason to tell tenants not to paint it again without your permission.

It sounds like you have good reasons for wanting to paint the fence in an ecological paint. Just because most people (including me) don’t consider ecological paint, doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t either.

skodadoda · 17/05/2022 07:08

Ducksinthebath · 16/05/2022 21:55

Do people really consult with a neighbour before lighting a barbecue? I’ve never mentioned it to a neighbour in my life, nor had anything mentioned to me.

Mine do if they see that I have washing out.

skodadoda · 17/05/2022 07:10

OP, you can’t dictate what type of paint they can use on their side of the fence

Blarting · 17/05/2022 07:10

Blarting · 17/05/2022 06:54

If you ever go on unreasonable veracity challenge you can have your specialist subject as fence paint!

Did your friend have any issues n the two years you were away?

Massive auto correct!

University Challenge!

Must put glasses on in the morning.

Blarting · 17/05/2022 07:12

Ducksinthebath · 16/05/2022 21:55

Do people really consult with a neighbour before lighting a barbecue? I’ve never mentioned it to a neighbour in my life, nor had anything mentioned to me.

Surely not, I mean most MNs won't answer the door if a neighbour knocks (judging by other threads), what would be the point in trying to tell them?

Indicatrice · 17/05/2022 07:14

skodadoda · 17/05/2022 07:10

OP, you can’t dictate what type of paint they can use on their side of the fence

Yes, she can, if the fence is hers. They are not allowed to paint her fence.

Fridafever · 17/05/2022 07:23

Yes, she can, if the fence is hers

Pretty sure OP is not a woman. The posting history is genuinely fascinating - posts very infrequently but always about boundary/ house issues. This house and his mum’s.

SoupDragon · 17/05/2022 07:29

skodadoda · 17/05/2022 07:10

OP, you can’t dictate what type of paint they can use on their side of the fence

Why do people think they have the right to paint someone else's property?