Amber Heard - but wait hear me out!! Watch this

[MrsMingech]

So I was on the fence with these two, and I read the threads but didn't follow them and when I searched them I only found and old one.

My search efforts suck, clearly.

Theres many recordings, albeit put together by a clear DP Pom Pom shaker. But it can't be denied (unless it's suggested it's another woman).

Its so bullying, awful
and nasty, I couldn't list to it all.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5SaPZpFhcg

if there's a more relevant thread that I suspect I've have missed please link and I will ask for this to be deleted. I swear I did search first.

To be honest they are both horrendous. I have been in a relationship that was heavily focused around drugs and addiction and this pretty much sums it up. Its hell on earth and I can only come to the conclusion that they both treated the other at various times disgustingly. Was one 'worse' than the other. Who really knows. But I am finding this obsession over the case quite grotesque.
This video was annoying and long and didn't really tell me anything more than I already knew. The could both do with serious help that much is clear. It was the worst type of toxic relationship

Likley because she misrepresented the situation. She said in the OP Ed she had become a public figure representing domestic violence but neglected to mention all the physical and psychological abuse she directed at him. I can see how making it seem that it was all one direction could be defamation. I don't know how one defines what makes one the a public figure of domestic violence. If the abuse was mutual and we accept he was also abusive - would people accept him as a public figure representing victims of domestic violence?

I agree that it is often just a really bad dynamic involving people with a lot of toxic traits. LIke this one. They both have trauma and married a version of their abusive, unhealthy, toxic parents. Research shows this is true in about 50% of cases of domestic violence. In the other 50% there is a clear aggressor / abuser and victim.

Yeah I accept she may have misrepresented herself, but unless she misrepresented him then it's still not defamation.

The PAs account is here:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8526207/Amber-Heards-former-personal-assistant-claims-actress-stole-personal-account-rape.html
The PA says it was "stolen" but the details bear no resemblance at all (she was raped at machete point while travelling in Brazil) so it seems an odd accusation.

Testing boundaries and being horny are linked for everyone or even, I would say, the majority. But Rape is rarely about just want to have sec. It’s about the power.

yes look at how people behave in absence of social constructs. The majority are not abusing each other. Some might be. Those people who would do it, seek vulnerable people to abuse. People don’t randomly start abusing someone because they happen to come across someone vulnerable. The people that do we’re already shit bags who abuse and assault people.

I am not naive because I know I wouldn’t abuse someone, if I could get away with it. I think knowing you would abuse someone if you could get away with it is quite horrifying to be honest. For example if I knew dp would rape me if he could get away with it, I wouldn’t be in a relationship with him.

Ffs they are not linked

I am not a legal expert so I am not exactly sure how they determine misrepresentation. Depp's complaint alleges 3 specific sentences in the Op Ed were defamatory. They were "I spoke up about sexual violence", "I became a public figure representing domestic abuse" and "felt the full force of our culture's wrath for women who speak out". Those three all seem to focus on a misrepresentation of herself so I am not sure how the two fit together. The complaint connects how she presents herself to what that means she is saying about Depp.

Her counter suit is for the use of the words "false allegations", "hoax" and "fake" by the lawyers in his defamation complaint.

I did read the jury will decide both suits at the end of the trial. I don't know if that is true or not.

Testing boundaries and being horny are linked for everyone or even, I would say, the majority
What? I think you need some help with healthy relationships

I corrected myself below that post. I meant they are not.

The poster who knows they would abuse and assault people if they could get away with it does think that.

Wouldn't Kate know her own story , experience, and conversation best to know if aspects of it were stolen? More so than you reading about it in the Daily Mail?She didn't say that Amber gve an exact retelling of her rape but that she stolen from their conversation and twisted it benefit herself.

Kate would know what happened to her, what she told Amber, and what Amber wrote or said that was stolen or twisted from her own experience. She doesn't detail specific of her own sexual assault or Ambers telling or speak to the stolen or twisted parts.

The reason you wouldn't is because you would feel bad, it would make you uncomfortable, anxious, guilty, you might keep thinking about it and how it contradicts the self-image you have as a person that is kind and empathetic and doesn't do that sort of thing. If you had justifications (that you genuinely believed in and agreed with) that soothed that conscience your behaviour would be different.

No most people don't randomly start abusing people even when it would clearly advantage them just because they come across someone vulnerable because of the "social constructs" they have internalised about what is and isn't acceptable behaviour - but take away those constructs, or give them different ones that do justify it and they do, especially when they get something out of it (money, sex, free labour etc). There's not some special type of person who is a "shitbag" and can abuse people and then everyone else is just incapable. The closest thing to that are people who can't internalise those inhibiting social constructs (so they aren't inhibited by them): psychopaths, and people who are exceptionally good at justifying their behaviour to themselves: narcissists. But take away the constraints and people will take advantage.

I never said I think they're always linked. But the link between taboo and sexuality is pretty well established, and there's a good 20%+ of the population who admit to sexual arousal from sadistic or dominant themes which while not the majority (and I am sure more exist than admit it) is still a large chunk of people for whom those elements are intertwined.

Can I ask did she accuse him of rape in any other previous court submissions/ hearings ?

I would be asking AH . Now you have confirmed rape and serious assault and battery are you going to take this to a criminal court and get JD locked up for life to protect other women ?

she is obviously not worried about giving evidence and surely justice is paramount .

There were confidential submissions in the UK trial. We don't know what they were as the related documents and testimony were not made public. They could have contained allegations of sexual assault.

Why would this be appropriate? She didn't choose to bring this up, Depp took her to court. The criminal bar is higher than the civil bar. I don't blame her at all (or any rape victim) for choosing not to go to the police

I can't wait for Kathleen Zellner to come in and expose AH for what she truly is!
Roll on Monday!

@AccessibleVoid I completely disagree. There’s no evidence that peoples default is to abuse people outside our social constructs.

Yes, abusers are a ‘special’ (not a word I would use) type of person.

clearly you believe this theory makes you seem more enlightened and aware to admit you would do this.

I can imagine some would. But not the vast majority. Believing you would be a part of the group of shitbags if it was allowed isn’t enlighten. You are basically saying when it was acceptable and allowed to rape your wife, you would have done it?

No I can’t agree with that point of view at all

Zellner seems to have quietly left Depp's legal team at least a month ago. Camille Vasquez is doing the cross for Amber. Likely as they are both women and the same age. Takes away any perception of a power differential.

I don't have a particularly high sex drive so it's not a strong motivator here. But lets say I lived in and was brought up in a culture (not the same as now where I was brought up in a culture where I've internalised the thought that it's unreasonable to demand that level of servitude from anyone) where it was normal and socially accepted to have live in maids paid a pittance who work 16hr days while holding all the cards through controlling their passport and being the sponsor of their visa. Would I take advantage of that? Without a second thought. I'd probably even feel especially magnanimous if I gave them a day off occasionally and maybe even resent them if they didn't seem grateful enough. And of course if I did start resenting them I might treat them even worse, confident in the knowledge that my expectations were reasonable (everyone around me affirming it!) and my punishments were fair (after all other people around me mete out far worse to their maids and you can't just let them walk all over you!)

I don't think this makes me an exceptional person, in cultures where that's the norm that's the norm, it's just accepted.

What an incoherent load of nonsense. Why are they recording each other all the time.

First world problems, toxic trash- both of them.

She did bring it up . She was the one who took out an injunction against him in the beginning citing DV and she wrote the article . Which if not true is defamation.

That's incorrect.
Geek Buzz (Pro Heard) posted that lie.
I know Camille is doing cross.
I have a feeling that KZ will be around for rebuttal. Makes sense as that's when all the photos, injury, forensics etc will come into play.
And she has tweeted a couple of times recently, including today. It's clear what she's implying.
I cannot wait to see what she has.

I hope KZ is involved . She is brilliant . I would just like to see her in action.

This. ^