Amber Heard - but wait hear me out!! Watch this

[MrsMingech]

So I was on the fence with these two, and I read the threads but didn't follow them and when I searched them I only found and old one.

My search efforts suck, clearly.

Theres many recordings, albeit put together by a clear DP Pom Pom shaker. But it can't be denied (unless it's suggested it's another woman).

Its so bullying, awful
and nasty, I couldn't list to it all.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5SaPZpFhcg

if there's a more relevant thread that I suspect I've have missed please link and I will ask for this to be deleted. I swear I did search first.

Where did she say it was a broken bottle in the vagina?

And that’s why rape convictions are so low.

@Pumperthepumper I'm assuming your post said that's why rape convictions are so low (blooming app). They are low I agree but the legal system simply cannot proceed without evidence. It's not possible or legal.

Have you watched the bits where he is laughing? , some of the questions have been ridiculous with the lawyers even overruling their own objections and it was not just him laughing it was other court staff and people in the court as well . Even the judge nearly showed her amusement about the vaping witness who drove off while taking. You have to talk about this in context . You may be annoyed at his smirking .I get annoyed about her crying with no tears and her acting to the jury . Horses for courses.

So from your logic all men should be convicted of rape automatically?
And every woman always tells the truth.

so we don’t need a criminal justice system at all .

I hate it that convictions are low , however your solution is not justice . It’s a kangaroo court .

Most court systems are based on innocent until proven guilty. You might think it would be better to skip the trial and just determine guilt or innocence based on biological sex but thankfully the developed world doesn't agree with you. There are places in the world that do convict and imprison without a trial or evidence and I really don't think those are systems anyone wants to use as models or examples. And in some places women are considered guilty of extramarital sex even if they are raped and they are sentenced for their crime based on that country's view of women - do you agree with that or you only think there should be automatic convictions for men?

I didn't say that. Drugs are a disinhibiting factor, his expressed attitudes about women and relationships are a factor that provides him justifications. It's the whole picture not just the drugs/alcohol (and of the two alcohol is worse tbh).

@Gettingthingsdone777

Cna you link to the recordings please that you listened to where you hear Johnny being the abuser and Amber is the victim? I have listened to hours of recordings and haven't come across those yet. I would like to listen to the ones you have that show that dynamic.

Same. I'm intrigued.

No. I think spreading the message that it’s not rape unless there’s physical evidence is dangerous and wrong.

As if being horny and testing boundaries are mutually exclusive and don't often feed into one another?

And if you want evidence look at how people behave in the absence of social constructs - look at how the most vulnerable are treated behind closed doors, look at how people treat those they deem "other" enough not to be subject to those social constructs... I think it's just wilful naïveté to think otherwise tbh.

Do you think I agree with that?

How are his expressed attitudes towards women any different from her expressed attitudes towards men?

She texts with her friend Josh about killing him but when Josh suggest knives -she says that would be too easy. She calls him names to his piece including a ballless piece of shit etc. She wouldn't release her private texts - Johnny did. Why didn't she? You really think she had a positive attitude towards him in private texts?

That is your position that you have repeatedly stated that women should be believed in the absence of any evidence and even when evidence exists to the contrary. That the man is guilty if a woman claims abuse because women must be believed. That is supporting the same kind of justice system I described above.

I don't really see this as a men vs woman thing so I am not sure how this argument relates to anything. Her being abusive to him doesn't mean he can't sexually assault her.

So much absolute tosh on here

1. she doesn't have to prove he was sexually violent to be found not guilty - because at no point does she name him in the op ed. So she could be talking about any historical offence. Most women have been victims of sexual violence (e.g. groping or getting a bum pinch etc) so there is no reason to link that to him
2. she didn't "steal her PAs story". Her PA was also raped but the circumstances were different. Unfortunately rape is not that uncommon so it's entirely feasible both women were raped
3. she never said she had a broken bottle in her vagina, she said when he used the bottle she thought "I hope it isn't the broken one"

@Pumperthepumper what is your magical solution to rape allegations without evidence then?

Virginia law allows defamation by implication which is why JD started proceedings in that state.

@AccessibleVoid

I agree with you. I was just responding to all the claims that given he said negative and demeaning things to her in texts to his friends that he likely did assault her. People have made it man vs women by saying anything he says is misogynist. People are using that as a foundation for beleiving he is guilty of assault. My point is that she did the same in terms of how she talked about him and in texts. People seem to only comment on his texts and draw conclusions from his texts and ignore hers and the nasty things she said to him.

1 It has been made very clear through the testimony of the ACLU that the Op Ed was about him. ACLU admitted it and it was documented in emails.

2 Can you link to how you know the circumstances of the PAs rape and how you know if was different from AH's? I can't find any details of the PAs rape other than her statements that she was horrified when she heard Amber's account and heard the details of her own rape in that account.

3 I agree however she said she was bleeding vaginally and linked that to the possiblity it might have been the broken one.

I am not sure why you are saying she doesn't have to prove sexual violence - that is the suit brought against her. She can't pick and choose what it is about!

Well cuz this case isn't about whether she abused him, it's about whether he abused her. If the both abused each other, he is still the loser.

In broader terms by dragging this out in public of course they can both completely trash their reputations and make sure no-one really wins... which is yeah that's the scenario.

A lot of people moralised about finding it entertaining when it's so fucked up but personally um... 🍿

I find the legal aspect of it interesting as I have a legal background

I think the allegations of her abusing him however go against the defmation claim that she is the face of domestic violence.

She has a suit against him / his lawyers next so they apparently intend to do this all again.

She started releasing clips and photos and stories for two years - he took her to court and she countersued. So I don't really feel bad watching. Both chose to use public forums to air their sides of the story and to try and sway public perspective.

Oh it is! I especially liked learning about how in a situation like this the different way different jurisdictions can be used to people's advantage (or not).

I don't see why. Domestic violence is not always a clear cut "poor innocent victim" and "evil predatory abuser" scenario - it's often just two fucked up people who are bad for each other.