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Amber Heard - but wait hear me out!! Watch this

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MrsMingech · 13/05/2022 19:09

So I was on the fence with these two, and I read the threads but didn't follow them and when I searched them I only found and old one.

My search efforts suck, clearly.

Theres many recordings, albeit put together by a clear DP Pom Pom shaker. But it can't be denied (unless it's suggested it's another woman).

Its so bullying, awful
and nasty, I couldn't list to it all.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5SaPZpFhcg

if there's a more relevant thread that I suspect I've have missed please link and I will ask for this to be deleted. I swear I did search first.

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WhereTheFuckIsMyFuckingCoat · 14/05/2022 17:31

@Pumperthepumper

I’m assuming you’ve missed where Amber Heard’s ex PA has come forward as being extremely distressed and disappointed when she discovered that AH has taken her (the PA’s) historical incident of SA, which she had confided in AH about, and used it on the stand as her own.

So, do we disbelieve the PA’s SA allegations?

Andromachehadabadday · 14/05/2022 17:32

AccessibleVoid · 14/05/2022 17:26

If I could get away with it both in terms of other people AND in terms of soothing my conscience with justifications... yes. Anyone with a reason to would (and often do). What other factor could inhibit the behaviour if not social consequences and your own conscience?

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So you believe without social constructs living beings are programmed to hurt each other for entertainment? Or just humans?

QuotetheLaw · 14/05/2022 17:33

@Pumperthepumper unfortunately if there is no evidence, they cannot get justice. A court cannot base a whole case on one word against the other. It wouldn't even get to court without evidence which is a huge disservice for those who have been truly raped or assaulted.

Midlifemusings · 14/05/2022 17:34

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 17:29

That’s all in your head though. How many rich and famous men have been brought down on the say-so of one woman?

How many had to come forward before Weinstein was stopped? Bill Crosby? Dustin Hoffman? There’s not a chance she thought she could lie and be believed.

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People had been believing her for 2.5 years. There were countless articles about how she was a victim and Johnny a horrible wife beating abuser. It was during the height of #Believeallwomen, #TimesUp #MeToo. Not a hard time to get your story believed. She had been releasing photos and clips of recordings and her story and many had taken her side.

I don't recall how much she knew ahead of time about the title. I don't recall from the ACLU testimony and exhibits if she found out that is what the title would be before or after the op-ed was published.

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 17:36

@QuotetheLaw or, we could start believing women, knowing as we do that false allegations are very Rae.

QuotetheLaw · 14/05/2022 17:37

@Pumperthepumper are you saying that if a woman makes an allegation to the police, then the police and court should just believe her with no investigation or evidence?

Midlifemusings · 14/05/2022 17:38

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 17:36

@QuotetheLaw or, we could start believing women, knowing as we do that false allegations are very Rae.

So do you believe Kate James - that she was raped and that the rape story Amber told is actually Kate's assault?

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 17:40

QuotetheLaw · 14/05/2022 17:37

@Pumperthepumper are you saying that if a woman makes an allegation to the police, then the police and court should just believe her with no investigation or evidence?

No, I’m saying they should investigate it.

Are you saying they shouldn’t believe her unless she goes in with evidence to hand?

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 17:41

Midlifemusings · 14/05/2022 17:38

So do you believe Kate James - that she was raped and that the rape story Amber told is actually Kate's assault?

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I believe they were both raped, yes.

Andromachehadabadday · 14/05/2022 17:43

@Pumperthepumper So you don’t believe that Amber Heard used another woman’s story?

So you don’t believe Kate James?

One of them is lying.

worriedaboutmoney2022 · 14/05/2022 17:44

Isnt everyone very bored of this now?

QuotetheLaw · 14/05/2022 17:45

@Pumperthepumper They should definitely investigate but without evidence I do not think they should prosecute. What makes you think AH is telling the truth out of curiosity?

QuotetheLaw · 14/05/2022 17:46

worriedaboutmoney2022 · 14/05/2022 17:44

Isnt everyone very bored of this now?

No way, can't wait until next week.

Bednobsbroomsticks · 14/05/2022 17:49

There's truth and lies in both stories. You can tell when she recounting the truth and when she isn't. For instance her stating the love bombing etc the jealousy and the abusive throwing things for which he has form. I don't belive the sexual assault part. I think jd testimony is largely truthful because he admits the drug use and she is abusive. I don't understand how the trial to continue when jd witnesses have so far for most part all been proven to lie on oath. Have you herad or seen Johnny ever out of control on drink drugs...no. cue the plane audio Where he's howling like a dog. Lies.
Paid very well for their loyalty. Even the psychologist who diagnosed heard spent 4 hours at his house drinking and eating and then had cheek to call it an interview. Depp is surrounded by enablers who he continues to keep sweet. Inc his ex partners VD Inc who he called a c*

AccessibleVoid · 14/05/2022 17:53

Andromachehadabadday · 14/05/2022 17:32

So you believe without social constructs living beings are programmed to hurt each other for entertainment? Or just humans?

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Well rape is certainly not restricted to humans...

Also have you never watched a cat playing with a mouse?

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 17:55

@QuotetheLaw because why wouldn’t she be? It makes sense logically that she’s telling the truth

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 17:56

Also @QuotetheLaw thats a very bold claim - what’s the incentive not to rape if there has to be physical evidence for a conviction?

MysteriousMonkey · 14/05/2022 17:57

Alarae · 13/05/2022 20:19

I believe they were a toxic match made in hell.

She's clearly not a shining beacon for abused women considering she has been recorded saying she hit him and that no one would believe him.

He clearly abuses substances and even if he never laid a hand on her (I don't know what to think on this) he probably was emotionally abusive (throwing/breaking things etc).

There are no winners in this and there shouldn't be as it sounds like a mutual path to destruction.

Absolutely this!!!!

Andromachehadabadday · 14/05/2022 17:58

Also have you never watched a cat playing with a mouse?

A mouse is not the same species as a cat. A cat views them as prey.

Cats don’t fight other cats for the laugh it’s usually over something. To call it abuse would be incorrect.

But no, I don’t believe that all humans are programmed to abuse each other and have an instinct to do it, purely for entertainment. The fact that some people do, for me, isn’t proof that everyone would do it if they could.

AccessibleVoid · 14/05/2022 18:00

Andromachehadabadday · 14/05/2022 17:58

Also have you never watched a cat playing with a mouse?

A mouse is not the same species as a cat. A cat views them as prey.

Cats don’t fight other cats for the laugh it’s usually over something. To call it abuse would be incorrect.

But no, I don’t believe that all humans are programmed to abuse each other and have an instinct to do it, purely for entertainment. The fact that some people do, for me, isn’t proof that everyone would do it if they could.

Being horny isn't really an entertainment thing, it's a drive that ultimately results in reproduction.

Also human society is quite complex and predator-prey dynamics happen quite a lot within society not just toward other species.

felineweird · 14/05/2022 18:02

The incentive not to rape is that most men don't actually want to. I agree that many men get away with it due to lack of evidence, but unfortunately there often isn't any and we can't convict on the basis of someone's word.

On a side note it is EXTREMELY offensive to imply that someone is automatically a rapist because they drink and take drugs! 😮

Tillsforthrills · 14/05/2022 18:04

Gettingthingsdone777 · 13/05/2022 21:42

I haven’t listened to this specific audio but I’ve listened to 4 hours plus of these recordings (quite ill and bored at the moment) and I see that no one covers themselves in glory here, but on balance I think Johnny Depp is predominantly responsible for the abuse in this relationship. He fits the profile, and his behaviour fits the profile to a tee, and that’s if you only take his word for it or go by his text messages and the recordings. It’s possible he met his match in AH but he is the least innocent here imho.

Now, I would not be happy if anyone spoke to me or treated me the was AH treats him for parts of these recordings but this really has all the hallmarks of what happens to women after staying in an intensely emotionally abusive relationship long term. There are very few ideal victims of abuse, and sadly people with pre existing mental health problems often become the target of abuse in part for that very reason. The abuser can say “Yes, it’s true, I lost my temper once or twice, and I really regret it, but only because she’s crazy! She pushed me to the edge! This isn’t me, I’m a good guy usually”.

I Don’t buy it from him, I get why people do- but allow me to bore you with some thoughts on this. Here is a list of the red flags Mr Johnny D was waving, often long before he met 25 year old-little known-actress Amber Heard; they are text book indicators of abusive tendencies to a greater or lesser extent:

  1. History of destroying property, NB not his own property (so he’s not just “out of control” his violence has a purpose)
  2. history of arrest for violent assault of paps
  3. previous partner, Ellen Barken, reportedly accused him of throwing a bottle at her
  4. most of previous partners were far younger than him (abusers love to have power over their targets -this is a guaranteed way of doing it- if you doubt it think of what age you are now and minus 22 years from it and consider all the advantages you would have over a person that much younger)
  5. an addict who blames his bad behaviour on his addictions
  6. previous partners describe him as insanely jealous and possessive (he admits to this on the tapes)
  7. history of cheating on his partners
  8. history of -being best friends with serial rapist and abuser Marilyn Manson,defending convicted rapist Roman Polanski publicly and working with him, campaigning for the release of convicted child rapist/murderer Damien Echols (he had his conviction overturned in fairness because of Depp’s campaigning but weird hobby horse none the less). His hero was Hunter S Thompson and Johnny would hang out with him and was quoted joking about “not beating Kate Moss up enough” with him- KM was GF at the time- oh the lols .
  9. he has an extensive collection of knives and guns (MAJOR red flag)
  10. the relationship got serious very quickly, he declared love for her very early on
  11. He lavished gifts on her along with her family and friends (this is a classic abuser move- if anyone ever does this run for the F-ing hills)
  12. his “jokey” texts to Paul Bethany about Amber which included gems such as “let’s drown her before we burn her, I will f**k her burnt corpse to make sure she’s dead” I don’t know any non-abusive man who would even consider this kind of imagery for a joke about someone they respected
  13. He wrote messages and words like “whore” on a mirror, in blood, using the bloody stump of his severed finger, during a fighter with AH
  14. Called her horrible names as well, called her fat etc, accused her of being a whore- all the classics
  15. threatened to hurt himself during arguments with her
  16. on camera violently bashing things and throwing stuff around
  17. the vast majority of violent abusive men claim they were abused and were only abusive in self defence.
  18. he’s very deliberately charming and “humble” on the stand yet the recordings and track record show a different story
  19. abusers tend to be much better at covering the tracks of their abuse than their targets are at creating the perfect victim persona- many many abusive men use their partner’s mental ill health against them for custody bids, to get family and friends on side or just simply to win.

There are loads more red flags really, and red flags are not proof -but if this man didn’t instigate the abuse in this relationship I’ll eat my hat. The play book couldn’t be more stereotypical, and he was clearly the one with the most power in this relationship to start, and he’s shown a lot of abusive or abuse adjacent behaviours in the past. Just because someone speaks calmly and seems even tempered doesn’t mean they are sane one. Abuse is not about losing control, it’s about gaining it over another person by any means necessary.

100% agree with this and I’m horrified at the no questions asked support and lack of critical thinking for the masses of sheep that make out he’s innocent.

Even without considering his history, seeing him so smarmy, smirking away in court makes me feel ill.

Unsure33 · 14/05/2022 18:06

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 14:15

Why would she?

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what planet are you on ? A broken bottle in the vagina that caused bleeding ? And she did nothing . A broken nose ( her words ) definitely broken and she did nothing ? Beat around the head and she did nothing . Cuts all over her body and she did nothing ?

you really should not just believe someone just because she is a woman . You should look at the whole case and all the evidence especially that of the police .because if she is telling lies about rape and assault for which a person in the USA would get life ( not in this case though because it’s a civil case) then she is doing a huge disservice to women all over the world .

And if she can lie about even one thing then where do you unravel what she is saying .

Andromachehadabadday · 14/05/2022 18:06

Rape is rarely about being horny. It’s about power and often about testing the boundaries of people and society and seeing if they get away with it.

Yea, humans have a complex system because of social constructs.

still see no evidence without social constructs all humans would abuse and assault eachother. Only that you know without those constructs, that would abuse and assault people.

Then seem to have extrapolated that to everyone else

QuotetheLaw · 14/05/2022 18:07

@felineweird completely agree. Men simply cannot be convicted without any evidence. If it did turn out to not be true (and it has happened), that man's life is ruined.

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