Is Starmer seriously going to resign???

[Swayingpalmtrees]

I have been waiting for a thread to come up about this, but I can't see one to date. I can't believe Keir Starmer has now said he will resign (and Angela Rayner as well) Potentially leaving the Labour party with no leader at all!

Looking at the 'evidence' that is well known and has been published, it appears the Indian takeaway was pre ordered (due to its size) and pre planned according to the staff at the Indian and the leaked memo, it did include quite a number of people and bottles of beer etc and drinking. It was late into the night, so not work related, and no one is suggesting anyone continued to work afterwards as it was so late. I don't see how this is any different to the No10 arrangements! So how on earth will they avoid a fine??

Sir Keir's speech was so wobbly I actually thought he was resigning there and then, and although I appreciate the sentiments of integrity and honour, where on earth does that leave the LP with under two years to the election or less?

Who would replace him? Do we have any thoughts on a plan of any kind?

I am kind of aghast, we are in the middle of a European war, on the cusp of potentially WW3, I am not sure this is a responsible action given the seriousness of our predicament with Russia whom are threatening us on a weekly basis with nuclear war. At the very very least, we need a firm hand on the tiller, so to speak, we do not have time to be squabbling over beer and cheese.
AIBU?

Minimise-deflect-normalise the previously unthinkable.

This is what Johnson and his enablers do.

Starmer is calling time on it.

We need to, too.

Or there will be bonfire and a trash heap where there used to be institutions, precedents, conventions, and good, legal governance.

I can work very hard indeed after a curry and a beer. I suspect most people can.

Some can, some can't, some workplaces are okay with this occasionally, in some you'd get sacked and in some it would be illegal. However to make a blanket statement that it makes no difference is obviously silly.

OP, you've been asked why you claim this can't have been necessary for work purposes if work carried on in another venue. You haven't answered.

You've been asked where anyone on this thread is gushing. You haven't answered.

You've been asked to quote the legal provisions you rely on to make you so confident that a fine will be issued. You haven't answered.

You've been asked where you made a similar fuss on here about Johnson's failure to resign. You haven't answered.

Is there any danger of any of those questions being answered, or shall we draw our own conclusions?

He'll probably go for the same reason that Boris won't. When you're good at your job, and that job is getting (re)elected, the electorate tends to forgive your misdeeds.

It might be, if anyone had actually made a blanket statement. Claiming that they had is in itself a bit silly, don't you think?

@thecatfromjapan well said👏

Well you (or another poster) did say this

Why? A beer with a curry makes no difference to anyone's ability to work.

I particularly note the use of the word anyone.

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Deranged statements that frankly are not credible are unlikely to do so

Couldn't give any less of a fuck about this if I tried. I hope he doesn't resign. I'm a citizen who doesn't even vote for Labour, it's not the same as what Boris and Co did.

True, but it does highlight once again the depth to which the Tory faithful will sink.

Don't think this thread was ever ranged either.

I still think accusations that Joy Allen and Keir Starmer are perverting the course of justice are potentially libellous.

I’m a professional whose job involves significant, often days or weeks long, time crunches.

Our office has a beer and wine fridge.

Every single time we’re working late into the night as a team, the beer fridge gets opened and food is ordered in. This remained the case during the pandemic.

This has always looked like a complete non-story (pushed my a dishonest, partisan media) to me but, if it was off-side of rules at the time (which does not seem to be the case) then resigning is the decent thing to do.

Exactly this. Very well said.

Ah I see this has already been well-covered.

Yeah I work in a law firm too. I’d say about half of the lawyers will have a beer at lunch semi-regularly.

Certainly when circumstances require us to work late (often to or past midnight), everyone grabs a can from the beer fridge, and takeaway is on the boardroom table.

I appreciate that it isn’t normal to everyone’s industry, but absolutely typical for us and I’d be entirely unsurprised to learn it was the norm for election campaigns too.

All parties seem to be guilty of breaking lock down rules and popping a few beers open to wash down their party food .

Starter was very vocal about Bojo when he done it.. hypocritical...much.

Except that this thread has already covered why the Starmer occasion was different, because the law was different at the time.

But I'm sure OP will thank you for your loyal support.

Myrtle how would someone decide whether a statement was credible?

Yeah, if you’re hard of critical thinking, just lump it all together and have done with it.

Meanwhile, Mail online has quietly dropped all but one story on this and buried that a long way down, after running half a dozen pieces this morning.

Could it be their shit stirring has backfired on them, and has actually harmed Johnson more? Cry me a fucking river.

OP has the same style as the notorious poster obsessed with cutting and pasting deranged articles on the brexit board clavinova. Also recognise a few posters

johnson apologists from anti lock down threads.
Just love how the OP (and some of her supporters) claim to know how red wall voters feel when I doubt she's ever stepped out of the home counties. The sly jibes about Lisa Nandy being a dinner lady and the intimation that w/c ex labour voters are so gullible they'll just suck up whatever Johnson says because brexit got done are so out of touch and insulting it's hilarious. Tories are always going to tory, it's in their dna, however much they try to get down with the people, their scorn and disdain for the plebs is never far away.

Oh, yes - I agree. My only point was that these assertions were so wild they weren’t credible. But of course they’re defamatory

I am beginning to wonder whether OP slipped a vodka into her lunchtime Diet Coke. From Keir Starmer / Sir Keir and Angela Rayner to Starm and Ange in 58 posts.

Later: "Starmzy"

I suppose that 'Starmzy ' could try his hand at rap if he does lose his job , a few people might want to sing a number with him.