Is Starmer seriously going to resign???

[Swayingpalmtrees]

I have been waiting for a thread to come up about this, but I can't see one to date. I can't believe Keir Starmer has now said he will resign (and Angela Rayner as well) Potentially leaving the Labour party with no leader at all!

Looking at the 'evidence' that is well known and has been published, it appears the Indian takeaway was pre ordered (due to its size) and pre planned according to the staff at the Indian and the leaked memo, it did include quite a number of people and bottles of beer etc and drinking. It was late into the night, so not work related, and no one is suggesting anyone continued to work afterwards as it was so late. I don't see how this is any different to the No10 arrangements! So how on earth will they avoid a fine??

Sir Keir's speech was so wobbly I actually thought he was resigning there and then, and although I appreciate the sentiments of integrity and honour, where on earth does that leave the LP with under two years to the election or less?

Who would replace him? Do we have any thoughts on a plan of any kind?

I am kind of aghast, we are in the middle of a European war, on the cusp of potentially WW3, I am not sure this is a responsible action given the seriousness of our predicament with Russia whom are threatening us on a weekly basis with nuclear war. At the very very least, we need a firm hand on the tiller, so to speak, we do not have time to be squabbling over beer and cheese.
AIBU?

Anyone who is surprised that a team working late had a meal pre-ordered for them is being unreasonable and a plonker

I’d go as far as to guess that there is a EA who orders in pretty much every single meal that he eats while campaigning. Including getting in a beer or two.

I’ve never voted Labour and couldn’t give a shiny shit about party gate… but actually, the Conservatives shit stirring when the local elections weren’t going their way and Keir’s response to it means if there was a GE I’d be voting Labour for the first time! I know there isn’t for ages. Labour have plenty of time to fuck it up.

Labour, on the other hand, have a reasonable selection waiting in the wings

Great Noble, so what is your take on who might take over? I can think of only Emily.

And noble may I ask if you think there is something in the wings that can actually win the election?

beer swilling😂

I am not keen on Labour but I'll be voting for them after this despicable performance by the tories. They have shown themselves up for what they are. From Boris and his lies and the non dom status and green card business from Sunak and his wife.

OP, your entire thread seems to be built on the premise that no-one works at 10 pm, let alone after it, and that Starmer and his colleagues haven't been able to demonstrate that they were. Also that, to qualify for the relevant exemptions, work has to continue in the same venue. Also that no-one is ever allowed a beer at work.

It's been demonstrated to you conclusively, time and again, that none of these premises are true. You haven't been able to produce any authority for your highly novel interpretation of the law. Yet you are still in a massive froth about this. Why?

It was not lost either that Durham held off until after the local elections to announce, when they were quite happy to continue with their investigations into the tories in the run up to the same elections.

It stinks. I am not even a tory, but I can see that this is grossly unfair. One side gets a kicking, the other side gets the benefit of a delay.
Even with that advantage Labour still performed badly outside of London.
What does that say to us?

Do you honestly think red wall voters are won over by Starmer? Another London Lawyer with no idea of reality. The issue is that the Labour party were taken over by crazy Corbyn activists and the Islington champagne class and neither represent the vast majority of us or what we care about. They have ceased to be relevant. I say this as someone that voted for them for thirty years and come from a long line of Labour voters. I am politically homeless.

So beer gate instead of cheese and wine gate or whatever gate, will not change the fundamentals issues within the party.

OP is all over the place on this thread but I reckon it boils down to this:

OP is going for the last line of defence:

Use the offer of resignation to introduce false equivalence.

The situations are not equivalent:

Boris Johnson misled Parliament about holding social gatherings during lockdown.

It has been proven that these were social gatherings.

He was - and still is - Prime Minister.

He was responsible for the laws he broke.

He misled Parliament.

So now we have a Leader of the Opposition offering his resignation if found guilty of lawbreaking.

The Leader of the Opposition is not Prime Minister.

The Leader of the Opposition did not mislead Parliament.

It will be found to have been a work-related break.

(Despite the fact the OP asserts it wasn't, the proof seems to already exist, so ...)

Misleading Parliament has never been an issue.

We will be left with Johnson continuing as Prime Minister, despite having been found guilty of having broken the law he was responsible for, having misled Parliament, having dragged down the public office he is entrusted with.

All thrown into relief by the Leader of the Opposition having behaved with integrity.

The only thing those who wish to save Johnson are left with is to try and use this to minimise and normalise what Johnson is actually, really guilty of.

That is, try and claim there is an equivalence between Starmer's work team having a food break at 10 (yes, that is how it goes when campaigning) & Johnson having a series of jollies & misleading Parliament.

It's desperate stuff.

There is no equivalence.

Johnson is a shit, basically.

Johnson thinks being Prime Minister is a big joke.

He does not deserve to be PM - only the turbulent politics of the last six years could have put someone so wholly unfit into office.

He doesn't deserve these efforts to 'save' him.

Every minute he stays in post is a minute we (people who think that politicians have a duty to treat the responsibilities of office with respect) are being laughed at.

He should go.

He should resign.

Starmer is offering to resign.

He won't be found guilty.

He won't resign.

Johnson should resign.

He has been found guilty.

It has happened. He should go. He won't go.

The focus on the drama about what might (but won't ...) happen with Starmer distracts us from the fact that Johnson is still there as our Prime Minister - and he is wholly unfit for this role.

Great Noble, so what is your take on who might take over? I can think of only Emily.

Why can you only think of Emily? Are you not paying attention?

Major discussions going on around the next Labour leader always reference Wes Streeting, for example. Not heard of him?

I am going for my non beer and non Indian lunch break now. You will be glad to know I will be working afterwards

I know of no one since the earl 90s that drinks at work, like absolutely no one so all of these people that drink on the job I assume they are WFH or self employed.

His speech yesterday made me physically cringe

"I believe in honour and decency and integrity"

How can you talk about integrity when you have spent the last 3 months harping on about partygate when he had his own version of this to deal with.

The way he used stories of people in parliament who were unable to visit their sick relatives against Boris was always a gamble - you have to be whiter than white to be so judgmental about a 9 minute pause in work for a birthday cake.

When he started using those stories was when he truly lost me. It shows an absolute lack of any personal development - people who are truly zen don't need to point score and politicise to such an extent.

He is never going to win an election - they may as well ditch him now.

"How can you talk about integrity when you have spent the last 3 months harping on about partygate when he had his own version of this to deal with."

Because he believes he hasn't broken the law. Partygate did, irrefutably. This isn't a 'they're all the same' scenario, much as the tories would desperately like it to be.

Nope, I'm in the accounts department of an office with 10 other people. They don't all work in accounts, most are project managers

Are you serious Wes Streeting?
He is much too young for the job in my view and does not have anywhere near the authority or experience to run for Prime Minister.

Next you will be suggesting Jon Ashworth!!!
Or Diane Abbott....

Who are all these specials waiting in the wings?
I see a tin pot second rate bunch of scruffy bumblers that can not come up with a single policy between them (that was the polite version)

Also, I notice the OP uses that mad scattergun approach we see so often on social media:

• 'London' used as a trigger
• politicians are all the same (but strangely only attacks Labour politicians)
• conspiracy theories

(Durham police are simultaneously being pressured by Starmer & also pursuing some secret agenda because they 'held off until after the local elections)

• plain weird shit that may be connected to conspiracy theories/soap opera tropes

(Starmer's actually bored of being LOTO, so this is a Byzantine means of resigning).

• false equivalence

I'm so tired of this shit.

Even with that advantage Labour still performed badly outside of London.

They really didn't. Outside London they were defending what was already a good position following the last set of local elections in the relevant constituencies, so there was a limit to how many more gains they could make - but gains they made. Also Cumberland, Southampton, West Oxfordshire ...

And on what basis do you suggest that their performance in London is insignificant? The lost of Wandsworth and Westminster in particular is huge.

@hamstersarse because Durham police investigated and said that he hadn't done anything wrong?? And that they're only investigating because a Tory MP asked them to along with a heavy campaign against Starmer by the Daily Mail.

Just when I think that the OP can't embarrass herself further, she does. No wonder she name changed.

So everyone on this thread who has pointed out that drinking where they are employed is fine is lying? How very rude of you, OP. This whole thread has been you getting incredibly worked up without being able to produce any evidence for your confident assertions, and that is yet another example of it.

His speech yesterday made me physically cringe

Actually Starmer does sound like he has had a full root canal surgery these days, and I find it very hard to listen to him. It feels very fake, guarded and lacking in any depth or real meaning. Scripted words muffled out in the most painful way.

You don’t really know how this stuff works, OP.

There would be a new itinerary sheet for what happened after the end of this event. They are only released to the people who need to take part in or be responsible for that particular part of the day, for security reasons. If you’ve never been part of arranging a day or a visit for an MP I can see why some of the comments would arise, but there is a lot of uninformed stuff here which shows that you can’t try people and convict them via the public press.

Wow, SwayingPalmTrees, for someone who has no political affiliations and who is just-your-average-person-in-the-street, you are remarkably well clued up on the political minutiae of intra-party politics.

Almost as though you are, in fact, a very affiliated political nerd.

🤣

"And on what basis do you suggest that their performance in London is insignificant? The lost of Wandsworth and Westminster in particular is huge."

It's another tired tory attack-point - city votes don't count for some reason. They're tainted.

Wes Streeting is ‘far too young’. So that’s all you’ve got on him? Good to know.

I see a tin pot second rate bunch of scruffy bumblers that can not come up with a single policy between them

What do you see when you look at Johnson’s cabinet?

Who do you think is fit to replace him as PM?

No, he's not going to resign as he hasn't done anything wrong unlike the chancer in No 10.