Part 3 AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Following on from parts 1 and 2
Trial has gone 'dark' this week as the Judge is at a conference so it's going to be quiet on that front and I expect this thread will run slower than the previous two, however, there is still plenty of material and evidence from the last three weeks that we can 'cross examine'.

Any and all opinions welcome.

Depp also has an expert witness in forensic pathology on his witness list, to I assume debunk the bruises and injury claims. So that could be two new expert witnesses just for rebuttals. The amount of money Depp has spent must be huge. I cannot understand why Amber Heard could not get her medical records of the past fractures in her nose into evidence. If I was on the jury it is something I would want to know. To be kept being told there’s evidence but not seeing it.

Someone posted a photoshopped picture of AHs 'swollen' nose and bruised eyes.
Here's a pic taken at the same time, and the real version of it.
It's all BS.
Take out the names involved and any bias and just follow the science. Her stories make absolutely no sense.

She has set him up. Its a hoax. If you have been looking at all of the evidence and watching the trial, she has nothing. All of her witnesses, ever therapists, only have her word for it. Except her sister who is willing to perjure herself so she lied and said she saw JD hit AH.

Much of her evidence can be debunked. AH said the box on the breakfast table set up was JDs pill box.
Well the guy who made it for JD spoke out on his Insta.

Yet another hole in her story.

I'm not sure that debunks the pill box story. I think that's reaching a bit.

He may well have made it to hold an eyeball pendant. But that doesn't prove anything. JD could have changed its use.

It can easily be explained that he liked the box and thought he would use it for his drugs.

Can't speak for anyone else, I'm trying to stick to the evidence presented in court. Some of the stuff on twitter is bat shit crazy.

The pic I posted looks like your example of the unphotoshopped version. Again, her face is bruised and nose swollen.

A side view version was admitted into evidence on the People cover as well. It cant be photoshopped if it was accepted into evidence by Depp's team who vigorously checked meta data.

The pendant box is closed on the table. Depp could easily have removed the foam insert and reused the box to hold anything. It would be more odd for him to be carrying the box with pendant inside around instead of wearing it or storing it.

Your damning evidence isnt anything.

I'm not an expert but isnt it more usual for self harmers and cutters to slice horizontally and on the inner arms and upper thighs? I don't think I've ever seen long, vertical cuts on the forearms in my limited experience. I have worked with self harming young people but only for a few years and fully admit I have not seen wounds and scars of all types there could be.

Amber testified very specifically and repeated it to Vasquez that she could not recall the Australian incident in an accurate sequence just in flashes so the whole argument about the phone is bollocks. Just because Vasquez says something, does not make it true. She has more than once put words into Amber's mouth that she never said. She was very good at misleading.

There are too many photos of injury on Amber for it to be all a massive lie.

Its shameful so many are bleating the pics are all fake and photoshopped until they are accepted into evidence having had the data checked then suddenly they're real again but she has painted the bruises on.

Don't forget these are not regular people. They are rich, famous stars who live crazy lives that will be weird to us regular plebs. They are ego driven and responsible for multi million dollar movies being a hit or bust.

Disney and WB distancing themselves is not a sign of anyone's innocence or guilt. It's a sign that this circus is negatively impacting business and profits.

I read Whitney's former employers email to her and it's damning but I'd like to see the cross from Heards team before deciding. Many have chosen to decide on Amber's guilt before she has even finished presenting her side.

Interesting...

AH ex Co-star opens up about his experience prior to JD

Depp admitted it was his box and used to hold drugs in the NGN trial
He was also at his most sweeping pirate southern gentleman then - finding the drug misuse something to boast about
His legal team have decided to pretend otherwise now

I believe it was a security guard who initially witnessed some kind of altercation. And it was Tasya who stated/ felt there was homophobia.

Patently untrue to anyone who has been watching the trial or read any of the UK court case documents.

There are:

• His obvious misogyny as evidenced by disgusting texts hoping she's rotting in the boot of a car, the 'joke' about drowning, burning and raping her; the email describing her as a "gold digging, low level, dime a dozen, mushy pointless dangling overused flappy fish market... waste of a cum-guzzler...50 cent stripper", texts describing Vanessa Paradis as a withering, extortionist French cunt.
• The texts between Amber and Stephen Deuters about the Boston flight kicking incident (which weren't allowed in this court case for some reason to do with hearsay).
• His text to Paul Bettany describing the drugs and alcohol he consumed before and during the flight to Boston and saying he was "in a fucking blackout, screaming obscenities at anyone who came near"; "I of course pounded and displayed ugly colors to Amber on a recent journey"
• His lies in court about that flight where he claims he remembered everything and was peacefully sketching.
• His apologetic messages describing himself as a savage and saying his illness got the better of him, repeatedly referring to a 'monster' alterego.
• The trashing of the house in Australia and writing in his own blood, which would indicate he was on a tremendous amount of drugs and was not in his right mind.
• the fact that this is consistent with his previous behaviour - the Kate Moss hotel room incident comes to mind but he has spoken openly that he does this kind of thing.
• The jealousy and paranoia evident in messages he wrote in Australia, suggesting she was sleeping with Billy Bob Thornton
• her therapist testified to seeing bruises on her face
• her makeup artist testified in detail about covering up her bruises before the James Cordon chat show.
• Raquel Pennington's testimony and description of JD's intimidating behaviour and seeing Amber's injuries.
• Io Tillet Wright's testimony; specifically how nasty JD could get when not sober/clean, the disparaging remarks he made about Amber's looks fading etc, joking on the day of their wedding that he could now punch her in the face and nobody could do anything; the phonecall when he could hear her screaming and him threatening to peel back her hair.
• Johnny's friend of 30 years stating he saw a bruise on Amber's arm like a handprint.
• Photos of her cuts and bruises.

And more, actually. But I'll leave it there.

I read your post @Aspiringmatriarch and all I can say is not a single person has said they witnessed any violence whatsoever even her friends. We are all now very clear that he has a drink and drug problem, it's been mentioned daily for the last 6 weeks, oh and he is friends with Marilyn Manson which is slipped in sporadically in case we may have forgotten. Does not equal abuser as much as her legal team like to make out.

Meanwhile, AH buys her husband a large bladed knife as a gift, denies him his medication when he was detoxing, isolated him from his friends and moved all hers in, his sister had to book a separate room so he had somewhere to escape to when they were away, he has a black eye on his honeymoon, she admits in audio to hitting him, cuts the top of his finger off in a fit of rage and invites two different men back to their marital home whilst he is away. I could go on.

I don't think I (and many, many others) are wrong in questioning just who is the manipulator, controller and abuser in this relationship.

Alright, please explain this huge rather important inconsistency.
Amber Heards acting coach stated in her deposition, on Thursday, that Amber told her that JD lost his fingertip because he was waving around a glass bottle that broke and that's what severed his finger.

Strangely, when AH gave her (20/22) version of events, he lost it by smashing a wall phone to smithereens.

I wonder why the story has changed yet the acting coach hasn't been updated. Oh, yes because she did her depo in 2019, before Amber Heard changed the story.

What do you think about this evidence then?

Also no one from JDs side has spoken on the metadata yet. They're saving the expert for rebuttal to refute her evidence.

One thing I've noticed is that the multiple recordings etc. of AH being abusive towards JD are often dismissed as reactive abuse, whilst JDs texts etc. are apparently evidence of his misogyny and abusive character. This case has definitely made me realise why male victims of DV are so reluctant to come forward and why incidents of female on male DV are so under reported.

The jealousy and paranoia evident in messages he wrote in Australia, suggesting she was sleeping with Billy Bob Thornton

It would seem he was right to feel this way about her as she is disloyal, e.g. James franco at the very least

@Aspiringmatriarch

- multiple lawyers (many of which have extensive trial experience) reactions to Amber Heards cross examination.

Neutral Lawyer describes how he realised Amber Heard was lying :

Emily Baker: https://youtube.com/c/TheEmilyDBaker

Ian Runkle: https://youtube.com/c/RunkleOfTheBailey

Rob Moreton: https://youtube.com/c/LawLumber

Alyte Mezeika: https://youtube.com/c/LegalBytesMedia

These are objective/qualified to judge the case on its merits and have been commenting on the trial since Day 1 - has been fascinating to watch 'through their eyes' and see their opinions form based on the evidence she has brought forward.

These legal experts just do not agree with you.

Have you looked into who these legal experts are being paid by? Who they are bring influenced by? Is there any connection no matter how small to anyone on JDs team. What are there motivations behind those videos? Do they want to boost their own profile and their own online presence? Are they really impartial?

Fine if all of the above is not true. But I really hate how people are so keen to believe this stuff. Not to have any critical thinking and not to weigh up why these random people might be making these kind of videos. Out the goodness of their hearts! I think not. Have some critical thinking, don't take things at face value and as fact.

PP who listened to the testimony of brutal beatings and then look at a photo with a single barely discernible bruise and think that's evidence of that beating seriously need their heads examining.

That's what it boils down to me. It's not that she doesn't have evidence, but that the actual evidence disproves it. Everything else is noise.

Fine if all of the above is not true. But I really hate how people are so keen to believe this stuff. Not to have any critical thinking and not to weigh up why these random people might be making these kind of videos. Out the goodness of their hearts! I think not. Have some critical thinking, don't take things at face value and as fact.

You might be surprised as people's ability to have critical thinking. There's a big assumption on this thread that people who don't believe AH are just ignorant sheeple and that's just plain insulting tbh. Maybe some critical thinking could be applied to their opinions.

They are legal commentators with youtube channels. They have been commentating on American legal matters and trials long before the Depp trial.

They have no connections to Depp or his legal firm.

They ARE critically analysing the case/trial.

@mummyrocks1

Why don't you take the time to watch some of their coverage - beginning of trial and now. Decide for yourself whether 10+ different legal commentary channels are in on a conspiracy or lying to their viewers for the duration of the trial every day, to raise their profiles.

You can't fake the real-time reactions they're having.

Emily Baker is particularly interesting - she was a District Attorney for many years, she prosecuted criminals, she's had many DV and SA victims on the stand, cross examining the perpetrators. She was saddened by Heards direct on the stand. She said multiple times that she had never seen a victim behave like that on the stand. She explained in depth why.

In short: because right wing media in the States has spent tens of thousands of dollars promoting content that mocks, demeans and belittles Amber Heard, casts aspersions on her and makes Johnny Depp look like a hero. Vice wrote about it. www.vice.com/en/article/3ab3yk/daily-wire-amber-heard-johnny-depp?fbclid=IwAR1ok3yEN-y5oe3vLLH1fzHxqqpEhSOoh1-4uK-bru815UnkMxceDKxaYrE

No thanks. Anyone with a YouTube presence to comment on things like this has a motive imo. They want more clicks, they want more revenue, they want more awareness of their own services. They are not impartial.

At the beginning I got sucked into watching these kinds of videos which were very anti AH. I now think I would prefer to watch the trial each day, analyse the actual evidence, weigh up testimonies and statements myself and form my own opinion from actual evidence before me. I don't want to buy into the opinion of a bunch of random people who very likely are not impartial.

Without having done extensive research- which perhaps you have- you have no way of knowing there is no link between these people and anyone on JDs team or to Adam Waldrum. We have seen how his smear campaign against AH stretches wide and far.

Yes. I agree. That's why I will not watch the kinds of videos posted on this thread.

Without having done extensive research- which perhaps you have- you have no way of knowing there is no link between these people and anyone on JDs team or to Adam Waldrum. We have seen how his smear campaign against AH stretches wide and far.

Lol! When people start to repeat pithy words like 'smear campaign' because they heard someone say it, they lose all credibility to me.

AH is literally being sued because she's repeatedly and publicly claimed JD committed very very serious sexual and physical assault against her which is unsubstantiated by the evidence and you're echoing AH's claims that there's a smear campaign against her?

As PP have pointed out, her words against him aren't libellous if his actions happened. Likewise, if she made it up, it's not a smear campaign.

I watch legal byte's and it's definitely biased towards Johnny.

I do find it strange that when people oppose amber Heards testimony some peoples reaction is “who is paying, what is their motive” including women who have disagreed/questioned. Believe all women unless they dare to hold a different opinion then it’s ok to disparage them.