Part 3 AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Following on from parts 1 and 2
Trial has gone 'dark' this week as the Judge is at a conference so it's going to be quiet on that front and I expect this thread will run slower than the previous two, however, there is still plenty of material and evidence from the last three weeks that we can 'cross examine'.

Any and all opinions welcome.

But what about before lunch the same day when exactly the same happened and they were both walking towards each other? She walked straight past him without fear and looked at him that time. I noticed at the time as I was watching it live and because it seemed incongruous with what she'd been saying on the stand. When I then saw her reaction to him the next time I actually lolled as it was so fake.

But like I said upthread people believe what they believe. They can watch a video about the limbic system and still think AH can override it. That probably goes hand in hand with being able to cover up bruises with make up over her foundation when mere mortals have to put it underneath, and reducing serious swelling with ice to render it totally invisible.

So what would be a term for someone who promised two charities a large sum of money. Took the praise and accolades of this donation, even works as an ambassador for one of the charities and then hides behind donated/pledged having the same meaning as to why she kept the money. Apparently using the words simultaneously but only seems to use donated when interviewed.

Why is her friend IO not testifying ? as she is saying he witnessed verbal abuse and told her she's not safe. It's strange that all the people she alleges saw or heard things or who she texted are not testifying. Surely they would be a huge help to her case. Raquel testified in the UK trial but was seen as completely none genuine.

Or conveniently they are dead. I wish Dr Kipper could testify.

@BonnesVacances I'm commenting on these videos - it's so bizarre to me that adults make cod psychology videos/ true crime 'what's in the shadows!!' videos etc and people pay to watch / get paid via advertising. I can't understand why anyone would take the word of a YouTuber for anything. Body language is one part of any analysis not the be all and end all. Expanding that to the limbic system and exactly when she should react as per a video is getting into junk science.
As for AH, I've been posting I'm doubting some of her stuff - I'm not closed to the possibility some of it is fakery.

Well, if that someone is a person who is being pursued internationally through the courts by a vengeful man with near limitless wealth for legal action, And who in doing so has probably destroyed her ability to work again in her profession, I would say the word is ‘sensible’.

if you had promised a large donation but then you lost your job and your uninsured house burnt down, would you still donate the money?

But all this is a distraction, as Depo’s legal team cannily calculate. This isn’t a case about AH’s charitable giving. It’s about domestic violence. It’s a bit like watching people destroy an alleged rape victim’s reputation to destroy her credibility.

She testified yesterday (day 16), that Johnny could give it all, but not as a tax write-off. Also, if he donated a lump sum it must be from his money, not re-directed taxes. Charitable donations are set against owed taxes - i.e. money he was never going to own.

Did you not see the ACLU counsel (day 11)? He is accustomed to pledges spread over several years. So accustomed, they prefer for financial planning purposes, a legally binding pledge form to be signed, which she didn't sign. They contacted her in 2019 about her donation and she said she had financial difficulties. The ACLU counsel did not seem nonplussed by that.

The Sun published the wife-beater article 27th April 2018. Depp initiated legal action against NGN (Sun)/Dan Wooton, a month later on June 1st 2018.
Heard received her full settlement by January 2018 but it is without question that 5 months later, AH would need to engage lawyers to advise and represent for her part as a witness for that NGN v Depp action. AH was involved in two legal actions by February 2019.

California is a community property state where money earned in a marriage period can be seen as fair game for splitting equally. AH didn't go for that. To that point, AH initiated the split from Elon Musk. An even bigger mollusk to catch, than Depp.

Exactly. I don't understand why people keep grasping on this charity money thing, lawyers are playing on that because they know people will jump and say"Oh she didn't donate". Because it doesn't take much to take her down given they know everyone hates her already, otherwise they wouldn't play that petty card. I am revolted by stuff lawyers resort to, I use to play with idea of studying law but stuff like this proves I couldn't do it because clearly some people are shameless. And to someone who asked: yes I watched the trial in full and have been following live, I didn't miss much if any.

I view this from feminist viewpoint aka cut the crap. Depp is an agressive addict-that needs no proving. He is misogynistic as well and at least had rumors of acting abusive in past. He is more than wealthier than her, had body guards with him all the time and I do not for a second doubt he raped her given his misogynistic shit.

Majority of people started following this waiting for Amber to be proven a liar and are using any perceived flaw to confirm what they deem as evidence of her not being credible.

I will rather be wrong about one woman than have this shitty attitude that women lying about abuse is something very probable. You are not being fair, you are just being misogynistic and aiding MRA.

The Sun published the wife-beater article 27th April 2018. Depp initiated legal action against NGN (Sun)/Dan Wooton, a month later on June 1st 2018.
Heard received her full settlement by January 2018 but it is without question that 5 months later, AH would need to engage lawyers to advise and represent for her part as a witness for that NGN v Depp action. AH was involved in two legal actions by February 2019.

Hehe! So now magic AH can see into the future too! Wow! No wonder she was pissed off JD didn't worship the ground she walked on.

Anyway, she could have donated her divorce money as and when she received the instalments. Why did she need to wait until she had received all of it?

It's important as a big part of her defence is that she wasn't motivated by the money and had given it all away anyway. If she didn't donate it, as she claimed she had, and had in fact kept it, the financial motivation remains.

@ThrowawayBerna THANK YOU. I dind't have capacity to pull those up and write that, exactly what I had on my mind

These photos showing evidence of the damage JD made on the house look very minimal. They look staged. Not much damage at all.

then that is your answer under oath, not changing the English language between pledge and donated. She had the money it was in her account as stated on trial for 13 months before the law suit. If you say a statement that leads to others forming the wrong impression then you have mislead them.

Bringing the knife in the court. Just nope. He had a collection of knives supposedly, they could have shown his collection then to confirm how he has tendencies toward violence 🙄In reality they should probably just show the history of porn he watched, we wouldn't be talking here now

But all this is a distraction, as Depo’s legal team cannily calculate. This isn’t a case about AH’s charitable giving. It’s about domestic violence. It’s a bit like watching people destroy an alleged rape victim’s reputation to destroy her credibility.

It is indeed. It's a very clever and calculated move. They're going for a 'boy who cried wolf' approach. It's relevant to the case because his team are working hard to cast doubt on her credibility as a witness and to cause the jury to question whether anything she says can be trusted. I don't know what it means for the London case, but depending on whether the appeals process has now been exhausted it could have two implications. One, if new evidence has come to light then it might make the case against the Sun vulnerable to appeal. Second, it could even see her prosecuted for perjury. It would vindicate Depp entirely and leave her in the permanent status of social pariah. He'd be euphoric. 'Clearing his name' is his stated objective for bringing these cases, but he evidently doesn't mind how dirty that name is given the foul things that have come out about him in court. His real motivation is that he is determined to bury this woman.

The whole thing's also taking an incredibly long time. She's been on the stand for days and days. The Judge has already told her team in no uncertain terms that the case stops at a particular point, irrespective of how many of her witnesses have been heard or who is in the middle of testifying at that point. His team are extremely good and devastatingly competent and within the bounds of the law are not afraid to fight as dirtily as necessary. Hers, it's fair to say, don't exactly shine by comparison.

People might well say it's her fault, and she shouldn't have lied. Nor should she. But what of the evidence suggesting she's a victim of abuse? What if even a fraction of what she accuses him of is the truth?

Lawyer sitting next to Depp literally chuckled after Depp told him something right after Amber says it felt like the shape of Maker's Mark or whatever that was bottle. How distasteful do you want this trial? Yes

I don't think splitting hairs between pledging and donating the money has anything to do with the allegations of abuse and very little to do with Amber's credibility regarding those. Johnny Depp has been caught lying multiple times, if we're playing that game.

In any case the way she arranges the donations is between her and the charities involved. I've never been responsible for a sum of money like that but I imagine it would be standard practice to seek advice about how best to do things from a tax pov. That doesn't make her a fraud. She had a payment plan and was on track with that prior to the court cases.

'Clearing his name' is his stated objective for bringing these cases, but he evidently doesn't mind how dirty that name is given the foul things that have come out about him in court. His real motivation is that he is determined to bury this woman.
Completely agree. He's a vile misogynist and makes my skin crawl. Regardless of anything else remaining unproven, that much is obvious. I won't watch anything with him in again.

Sorry I can't stand this weird smiling while accusing her at the same time that the lawyer is doing with the weird sly intonation. I hope I never end up in court because if I stumble upon one of these arrogant lawyers I would lose my shit and start to talk back

then that is your answer under oath, not changing the English language between pledge and donated. She had the money it was in her account as stated on trial for 13 months before the law suit. If you say a statement that leads to others forming the wrong impression then you have mislead them

Again the trial was not about her charitable giving. She does not, as PP claimed,, 'owe' the charities anything. Anyone is free to change their mind about a donation if they wish to. All types of people are victims of violence. Probably none of them have led blameless lives. Frankly, it is really fucking horrible watching people trying to 'shame' her as a gold digger (utterly mad accusation as she has not initiated these vastly expensive court cases) and for not giving away money she actually needs now, to charity. Fucking focus people, this is not about AH attitude to money, nor what you think of her as a person as people you don't like can be victims of DV too - its simply about the facts of the case as to whether Johnny Depp was violent towards her. That is all it is about and nothing, nothing else.

Her giving that money away at that time, given the man she had pissed off, would have been really foolish of her.

Do you deny that she doesn't need that money for herself given what she is going through? Do you have any idea how ruinous the costs of these cases can be? And then there is the likely repercussions for her future earnings? Do you deny that she needs that money now?

Oooh they are mentioning the bed!!!

She's a narcissistic liar.

"Do you deny that she needs that money now?"

Elon will bail her out but she had THIRTEEN months with $7m in her account before JD sued. So that's bullshit

"Sorry I can't stand this weird smiling while accusing her at the same time that the lawyer is doing with the weird sly intonation. I hope I never end up in court because if I stumble upon one of these arrogant lawyers I would lose my shit and start to talk back"

Lawyer is dealing with a narc. So soft soaping someone like that.

*no

I'm behind - for some reason Sky started showing the arrival of them.
The abuse is horrific. I dont know how anyone would get up the next day. He arrives music blaring entourage waving and the crowd goes wild, she gets shouted at. Ffs it's so basic, The Purge is literally sitting waiting.
This stuff I think she was living with an addict and it's draining. I don't read much into the sarcasm and shit talk.