To think Labour are hypocrites

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Beergate. Turns out the event was planned. To think of all the slating Starmer gave Johnson. 🤔 This site's favourite newspaper, the Dailymail, has released a leaked memo, which might mark Starmer's downfall. If Johnson could survive, can Starmer?

So if Starmer is fined and resigns (which he should), he'll be replaced by someone potentially better like Wes Streeting and Johnson will look bad in comparison for not resigning. No integrity.

If Starmer is not fined, then what? Johnson looks bad in comparison for actually being fined and we're reminded that he broke the rules. The Daily Mail will have to try reconciling making a massive issue out of beergate which turned out to be ok while saying Johnson breaking the rules and actually being fined was a fuss over nothing.

I'm not sure this plays out well for the Tories either way.

It’s a BS story. Desperate Tories with false equivalents.

Party gate is from 2020 when we were in full lockdown.

Starmer’s beer was in connection with an election event, when elections were being held again so obviously there were fewer restrictions.

it’s a non story being flogged by the right wing press to cover up distracts local election results.

I will wait to see if he’s issued with a fine, but from the facts it doesn’t sound like he’s broken any rules. We weren’t in lockdown at the time.

I’m not a labour voter, but I’m always suspicious of tabloid hit job campaigns.

I agree!

Indoor socialising was illegal at the time

I think that’s the issue

i think the two events were very different , i will wait to see what the outcome is , but i dont think he should have to resign , i mean we still have that lying contemptable cunt in power because he refused to go and hes been fined , hes still here ruling over us so why should starmer resign ,
in the grand scheme of things the partygate wasnt the first of the rules that were broken , we had matt hancock lecturing us frequently about the rulez until of course he was caught groping all over his aide in a corridor and he didnt resign straight away , johnson wanted to sweep it under the carpet as no big deal , until the pressure got a bit much and he did have to resign of course to make it look good

They made enough noise about:

The 'wrong coat' - Michael Foot

Eating a Bacon Sandwich - Ed Milliband

Didnt bow low enough at the Cenotaph (amongst a billion other things) - Jeremy Corbyn

Beergate (why does every fucking thing need a gate after it, more lazy journalism) - Keir Starmer

surely even the Tory press would find it hard to make much of that?
Clear quote

You sure?

What do people expect would or should happen here? He was allowed, under the law as it stood at the time, to travel to campaign in the local elections. The test for gatherings was whether something was 'reasonably necessary for work'. If you travel for work, then having a meal away from your home is pretty obviously reasonably necessary to do that work, unless people on here think the law means we were allowed to travel but only if we were willing to starve.

So play this forward. No one thinks Starmer broke the rules by travelling to Durham to campaign. Any reasonable person gets that someone needs to eat. So what was he to do?

Comparing it to a series of very many breaches in No 10 which were not reasonably necessary for work, and whose only purposes were social engagement (karaoke parties, birthday do etc) is nonsense.

It’s based on the re-opened police investigation, that’s why it’s hit again

of course after Starmer said even an investigation should result in resignation he’s going to get kickback

then if a fine his own party will say he should go, like the further left though

It’s why the hypocrisy argument is so stupid - none of them have their hands clean, and they never will. People love to pretend that Starmer is as bad as Boris Johnson so will cast around for something (anything) to pin on him. It’s just a massive mud slinging contests when actually, Starmer is irrelevant. No matter who is in the driving seat for the opposition, we still have the most corrupt Prime Minister of a lifetime.

To think Labour are hypocrites

of course they are. All the parties are hypocrites. It's not of the things I loathe about politics - the sniping about stuff when they themselves are really just as bad. However, it's all part of the job.

agreed , im so sick of having this bloody lot in power , but the opposition is so weak , i only voted labour because theres no real alternative , as in they are the main opposition party but i have my doubts about how strong they would be if they were to actually get in , i remember the blair and brown years very well !

Of course it's different.

Boris Johnson is a heinous cunt.

Starmer isn't.

Gavel.

I agree, and would add: Boris Johnson holds the highest power in Britain. Of course he should be held to a higher standard.

well said !!! we are in agreement there , i thought blair was bad , johnson almost puts him to shame , absolutely hate the man

Interestingly I think you have put your finger on it with your mention of 'moral highground'. I can only speak for myself but I am old enough and cynical enough to have concluded that there is no moral highground in politics, it is an artificial construct which makes people feel better about themselves and their choices. Those who choose to parade their moral probity(!) lay themselves wide open to being caught out. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
On a personal note I do not give a shit who ate cake, who had a takeaway with a fairly large number of people, who got their hair regularly cut and coloured, who moved from subsidised home to subsidised home, failed to wear a mask, tested their eyesight etc. during lockdown. Some of the people who did these things I loathe utterly, some I loathe a bit less. I just don't care. I do, however, hate hypocrisy. And the media who seem to have switched from actual journalism to constant story making, misinformation and blatant politicking. I want proper news and analysis, not endless 'opinion pieces'. I hold the left, the right and those who pretend to be balanced in equal contempt.

This. Fed up of Boris’ journalist buddies trying to claim that a takeaway at work is the same as running a department that regularly holds parties with games booze etc, having a party in his flat etc.

The real problem for Starmer is that Boris seems to own all the journalists in town. So much for democracy 😕

I actually think lazy journalists and the media at large have a lot to answer for. 24-hour news cycles and whole channels dedicated to 'news' means they have an awful lot of content to fill and with trolling being a national pastime these non-stories can just run and run and run. I hate it. I find it so divisive and unnecessary - it just riles everyone up and makes everyone angry and cynical. Who'd want to be a politician these days? Even previously respectable news outlets like Radio 4 now verbally troll their interviewees. Almost every morning I have to switch it off, because it's so awful to listen to.

Yes to this

R4 included and they are the best of the bad bunch

(btw Times Radio is better it’s almost the last bastion of non click bait media)

Utter hypocrisy which is worse that the offence. Don't let those Labour scallywags try and weasel out of it by arguing about lying to Parliament and suitcases of booze and other distracting tactics. Fortunately there is at least one honest, campaigning newspaper devoted to ferreting out the truth about Labour misdeeds and letting the PM focus on important things like Ukraine and providing money-saving shopping advice to hard-pressed families unlike that unrealistic Labour airy fairy talk about tax cuts, windfall taxes and such like. You can tell they're in trouble as they can't even make their mind up about whether to cut taxes to people or add more to the tax burden on companies who are like people anyway. And Keir should now better, if an ex-DPP doesn't know what's legal and what isn't then how can a PM who works all hours?

The right wing media agenda is nothing short of brilliant. We are fed a daily diet of cakegate and partygate. This brilliant diversionary tactic keeps us preoccupied and bickering amongst ourselves.

It keeps us too preoccupied to notice farmers talking about produce rotting in fields due to lack of agricultural labour.
Too busy to notice the ambulance queues at A&E, the thousands of open job vacancies for clinical staff. The thousands of vacancies for care workers.
We are too busy to consider the cost of living crisis, with food, utilities and clothing all rising.
Too busy to notice the lorry queues at ports.
Too busy to care about the huge amount of debt accrued in the last few years, the billions wasted on a failed track and trace system and faulty PPE. On covid business loans to companies set up just weeks after the scheme launched.
Too busy to notice the dwindling numbers of police, the attacks on the CPS and the very fabric of democracy with bills passed in the Lords shackling our right to protest.

If history has taught us anything it’s that propaganda works.

Do we really no longer care about ourselves, our families, our communities, our country?

When the only thing that matters is that your side is beating the other side - regardless of policies, governance or morality- then all is lost.

Ah Zilla, you need to raise your standards.

R4 are shameful. Ministers and their advisors go to a lot of trouble preparing answers to questions. It is trolling and disrespectful for an interviewer to repeatedly ask the same question just because it seems like the interviewee has got the answers out of sequence. These are the Queen's Ministers and Secretaries of State so it's like the BBC is trolling the Queen and calling the Queen a liar. This must be stopped.

They do interview both parties don’t they?

do they only interrupt one side

Utter hypocrisy which is worse that the offence. Don't let those Labour scallywags try and weasel out of it by arguing about lying to Parliament and suitcases of booze and other distracting tactics. Fortunately there is at least one honest, campaigning newspaper devoted to ferreting out the truth about Labour misdeeds and letting the PM focus on important things like Ukraine and providing money-saving shopping advice to hard-pressed families unlike that unrealistic Labour airy fairy talk about tax cuts, windfall taxes and such like. You can tell they're in trouble as they can't even make their mind up about whether to cut taxes to people or add more to the tax burden on companies who are like people anyway. And Keir should now better, if an ex-DPP doesn't know what's legal and what isn't then how can a PM who works all hours?

Is that you Dad?