To think Labour are hypocrites

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Beergate. Turns out the event was planned. To think of all the slating Starmer gave Johnson. 🤔 This site's favourite newspaper, the Dailymail, has released a leaked memo, which might mark Starmer's downfall. If Johnson could survive, can Starmer?

It’s not unfair although Starmer will be in more hot water due to using partygate for own advantage for so long, if he gets a fine

His own party will go for him - some have said he should go if he does and Lib Dems will too

I think he should stay, although he’ll have to face up to the hypocritical stance. Fine it’s his own making but he should stay if investigation or fine

Yes, he's hypocrite for banging on about Boris breaking the rules when he was doing the same but I don';t want him to resign, because then we might end with Angela bloody Rayner leading the Labour Party.

Labour have the advantage of having obvious successors to Starmer. The Tories are really struggling on that front and it's probably why Johnson is still in post. It was the same with Theresa May.

exactly ,i just cannot believe people are do daft they would believe anything this goverment says and yet would still vote for them

Yes, I agree

@hellrabbitishere Spot on. It's admirable that the good old English voter is willing to be altruistic and vote against their interests to give a strong mandate to a government able to act decisively to deliver for all its important stakeholders. It's what made Britain Great.

god no. Although if they forgot she was there if he is fined maybe she will be too

Gove returning the fray after a pause, Raab, Sunak, Patel, Eustice, Coffey, Shaps and all the others, clearly a Government of all the talents. The only problem might be who is clearly above the rest when the talent pool is so strong. The PM can be confident his legacy will be secure and someone will hopefully be able to give him air cover when his decisions are unfairly scrutinised by Captain hindsights.

KS had a bottle of beer with food at the end of a days work in a room with the same people he'd been working with all day.

If Keir Starmer had nothing to hide then why did he imply back in January that only 6 or 7 people were there?

Question put to Starmer in January -
"How many people were there in total?"

His answer -
"I normally.......have about 6 with me..."

Adam Wagner is v good on whether rules were broken (A: no, and the existence of the memo actually supports this).

I didn't give a fuck about the parties. What I do give a fuck about are the restrictions they imposed on the rest of us, and the so called Opposition screeching for more lockdowns.

However I do see a difference between what Starmer is accused of, and what Number Ten did.

Makes no odds to me. I loathe them both equally. At least the LibDems were saying "hang on a minute...." about ongoing restrictions.

It’s not good

interesting that the memo has had been leaked now

politicis is a nasty game at the moment there seems to be a more back stabbing and media manipulation. Journalists certainly new about party gate long before it was published. It really feels uncomfortable so much time wasted when we need our politicians to get on with doing their jobs rather than having meeting after meeting on how to manage the next scandal

I think both parties will have new leaders before the next GE and that the flouting of covid restrictions will be a lot to blame on both sides

I expect they all broke the rules at one point or another ,but KS has been like a dog with a bone over this so it would be very hypocrtical if he didn't resign should it be found he too broke rules

@HRTQueen exactly. Most people will have lost count of the number of scandals that have required managing and dodging. Every patriotic person should just agree to take a Nelsonian approach so the PM can get back on the job.

@sashagabadon

"And no work was done afterwards allegedly although Keir is claiming work continued afterwards"

What is your evidence for this? Kier has maintained throughout that it was a pause for work and they continued working after? See the article below from Feb. So what evidence do you have to reject this?

"“We stopped for something to eat and then we carried on working.No party, no breach of the rules and absolutely no comparison with the prime minister.”

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/16/keir-starmer-denies-drinking-beer-with-staff-was-breach-of-rules

I expect they all broke the rules at one point or another

this is what the govt would like you to believe

do you expect they have all lied to parliament too?

@mommandme has he just confessed to drunk working after a beer? The Times? columnist on R4 this morning tried to conflate that together. If so, a clearly heinous crime.

Angela R is in same position as Keir on this. Why did Keir lie about her being at the curry too? That is certainly a foolish thing to do and why? Makes no sense other than to try and cover up the size of the gathering? Angela also called for both Boris and Rishi to resign over being investigated over cake gate so she is as much a busted flush on this as Keir is.

Let’s see if he’s fined first, but so far a one-off work-related meal doesn’t sound the same as the rampant culture of rule-breaking that went on in Downing Street.

Needless to say if Starmer does resign upon getting a fine (as he’d surely have to) it would make Johnson look like even more of a piece of shit for sticking around.

Also, to add, the “they’re all as bad as each other” mantra is exactly what the tories want from this. Make everything equivalent, even if it’s not, and lower expectations so much that nothing matters. Only they benefit when the bar is lowered.

I don't have any issue with the beer and curry at all. Yes, a bit unclear as to rule breaking. What gets me is his relentless focus on partygate which I think covered up his lack of ideas. There is only the windfall tax and how long would that take to come to fruition. No Corbyn fan but at least he had ideas, some mad ones, but ideas all the same.

I dont get comments on here and across various media saying if he went they would get a better leader. That leader could well be Angela Rayner which could consign Labour to the wilderness once again. I see that Lisa Nandy roundly defended KS today but Angela Rayner has said (according to BBC) that he should resign if issued with a fine. Hmmm.

Labour are always very keen to take the moral high ground, calling the Tories "evil" etc, which generally isn't the case from the Tories to Labour. So yes, it is quite correct that Labour are held to higher moral standards than the Tories. Starmer is an idiot for making so much of Boris's rule breaking when he broke the rules as well, why on earth he wouldn't think it would come out I don't know.

I'm sure I heard on the news last night that some people who had curry and a beer stopped by just for that and hasent been at the previous meeting?

@mommandme there is a Labour insider/ person who was involved, who has said things aren't as claimed and that they are willing to talk to the police about it.

Who knows what will come of that but, so far, it seems they are all following the same script, lie, admit a little bit, lie again... repeat...