To think Labour are hypocrites

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Beergate. Turns out the event was planned. To think of all the slating Starmer gave Johnson. 🤔 This site's favourite newspaper, the Dailymail, has released a leaked memo, which might mark Starmer's downfall. If Johnson could survive, can Starmer?

Would love to hear your thoughts on Tories

Labour are always held to a much higher standard than Tories, even by Tory voters.

It was after work in the evening not lunch break so at end of the working day ( when they should have gone home) but extras rocked up too. And no work was done afterwards allegedly although Keir is claiming work continued afterwards, Angela was not there ( when she was) ; there was no where else to eat ( disproved as others options for food available)
I guess all this will be looked at in the police investigation and either Keir lied or he didn’t.
it a busted flush for Keir now either way as one of his main attack lines on Boris is calling him a liar and irresponsible etc and that was sticking but that attack line was over egged and worse can now be turned back on Keir himself so loses its potency.
I do feel sorry for Keir and I think he has people in his own party gunning for him now so his time in charge is likely coming to an end but who next??

The Tories don't want an opposition - they are content to allow people to have a low opinion of politicians as long as it's all politicians. The voting system in this country doesn't lend itself to any single opposition party to gain power (which is why realistically Labour need to work with the other parties) and there is an entrenched media that supports the Tories without question. It's all pretty depressing.

If the (reopened) police investigation ends up in him being issued an FPN, should resign. If they don't, then he shouldn't.

I'm a little surprised that Durham police have reopened it, tbh. I wonder if they'd take a second look at Dominic Cummings breach of Covid rules?

I remember so many people during the expenses scandal saying "well we expected it of the Tories but Labour...."

I don’t see why people are saying he’ll have to go. Boris is still here and he has done far worse. He set the rules broke them and lied. He lies every time he moves his lips.

I think conservatives would be wise to keep out of it completely and if anything support Keir and say not a resigning event ( as it isn’t)
For them , the tables have turned completely and Keir has been neutered somewhat so better to keep him as leader. Second best option is for Angela Rayner to succeed Keir as that would guarantee Boris a second term. Worse option imo is someone like Andy Burnham getting the gig.

Boris or Starmer?
Starmer will resign. Boris probably won’t and will look even worse for it. Which (you’d hope) makes his chances for reelection fade into oblivion

The trouble is for Starmer is he’s used it for moths to gain advantage

it will be more difficult due to that

he’ll be ok if only investigated but if fined his own party will say go

I don’t think he should be it’ll be a mess

Months..

The police didn’t want this investigation, they’d concluded that there was no wrongdoing. They told one of the local MPs that they wouldn’t be reopening the case. Then further possible evidence was found and the MP pushed hard. An interesting thing with the new evidence, a first year student just happened to be walking by a place you cannot just walk by. You have to go up a long private drive and then wander around a fairly large building…

Certainly, Boris is far, far worse, but that isn't the issue.

The issue is that Sir Keir has emphasised the importance of integrity. As such, he will need to show that he does have integrity. And actually, I think he does...I don't believe that the emphasis on integrity is just political posturing from him, I think it's genuine.

We all know that Boris has no integrity at all. For some reason, the electorate doesn't seem to care, but Starmer would lose the moral high ground immediately if he stooped to Boris's level.

Andy Burnham is committed to Manchester for a few more years at least.
if Starmer does resign there are plenty of very competent others waiting in the wings, Yvette Cooper would be brilliant if she put herself forward

alternatives to Boris in the Tory party are all grim

I would love to see Yvette Cooper take the reins. I have a lot of respect for her.

But that was the rules in your dh’s company

I went to work and was shoulder to shoulder with other colleagues.

Impossible to do my job without being close to other people.

As well as being hypocrites, they lower the bar for the govt. This govt lost its spine and gave into hysterical demands of a lockdown which did untold damage to our economy, and will cause far more deaths in the long run that Covid ever could. This govt then hiked taxes. This govt talks the talk but delivers nothing. Despite all this we have an opposition that is dire.
Starmer as the leader has a backbone so weak, he couldn’t fight his way out of a paper bag. The deputy leader’s default position to everything is to shout ‘oi, scum’ lowering the bar so much she’s trippin’ over it - she’s nothing more than a comedy sketch. The shadow chancellor seems to know less about the economy than the actual chancellor - that’s really saying something - and should stick to fundraising events in her constituency. The shadow foreign Secretary is of a calibre who would think of anywhere outside of Tottenham as abroad. The shadow Home Secretary just looks bored to be in her post.
So that’s what’s really wrong with Labour.

Would anyone like to indulge me & explain the known facts.
I thought this was the situation:

Starmer & others were working together all day, far from home
End of daytime hours: they sat down together for a meal
With meal, Starmer (& others?) had at least one beer
During meal, Starmer & others may have talked work
After meal Starmer & others may have done a bit more work together
No one "went home" that night because home was far away for everyone

Which part of above is incorrect

And what "should" they have done instead, if you are certain Starmer broke rules. Everyone should have eaten alone in a room by selves? Hotel or otherwise?

Who else besides Starmer at this event do you expect to be fined?

I like Yvette cooper alot but I suspect she might be like Keir with the electorate.

Unfortunately the mere fact of investigation is probably enough. That's all the right wing media need - a whiff of suspicion will be enough to build their narrative around. Job done for them.

I don't know. If it is fully investigated and it is found that there was no wrongdoing, surely even the Tory press would find it hard to make much of that?

Keir Starmer is a rank hypocrite and a proven liar who wasted days of parliamentary time knowing he was equally guilty and whose party deliberately lied about Angela Rayner’s presence. I really wish the Labour candidate who spent his whole visit to my doorstep banging on about Boris’s criminal behaviour, while failing to explain any Labour policies, would re-visit so I could tell him what I think of his party’s own lies. Damned hypocrites.

Interesting. You might be right.

But then, who else is there?

Nothing like innocent till proven guilty, eh?

Yes they should have gone back to their hotels after working and not socialised together. And definitely not invited others to join them too.
I agree however that there were work places up and down the country having a short nibble/ drink after work. We certainly did on occasion where we work , and we didn’t think we had broken any rules as we all worked together but presumably we had too.
Trouble is that is the same argument Boris et al used too so to hear Keir using it when he had called others liars etc make s his position untenable. That’s the issue to me, not the curry and beer.