Page 22 | To think Labour are hypocrites

Labscollie · 2022-05-08T07:24:11+00:00

Beergate. Turns out the event was planned. To think of all the slating Starmer gave Johnson. 🤔 This site's favourite newspaper, the Dailymail, has released a leaked memo, which might mark Starmer's downfall. If Johnson could survive, can Starmer?

itsgettingweird · 11/05/2022 21:17

noblegiraffe · 09/05/2022 22:48

I really do think it's an honour to be a politician, to represent people, to hold a position of responsibility in politics.

I think that way and I'm pretty sure there are plenty of politicians who feel that way too. That some people think that people only go into politics for the ability to pass lucrative government contacts onto chums, or to use that power to wangle ridiculously expensive wallpaper from donors betrays their values, and a lack of understanding that other people have different ones.

Some choose public service for the public service. Starmer, it would seem, is one of those, which is why it hadn't even crossed my mind that he wouldn't resign in the event of a police fine. He holds the office in higher esteem than his own self-interest, and we need people like him to show the public that it doesn't have to be like Johnson and Pals. There are other options. Other values.

Couldn't agree more. Well put too

itsgettingweird · 11/05/2022 21:29

Luculentus · 10/05/2022 13:30

Whether the event was a "party" or not is irrelevant. It doesn't have to have been a "party" for it to have been illegal. All that matters is whether the gathering itself was strictly necessary for work purposes, and if not, did it break rules on the numbers attending and social distancing involved.

Not quite. What matters is whether it was reasonably necessary for the purposes of campaigning in an election. It is regarded as particularly important that there should be no more interference than is strictly necessary in the democratic process.

This. And reasonably necessary is a very low bar in law.

It's open to interpretation of what's reasonably necessary.

It'll be very hard to prove it isn't reasonably necessary to have food and drink late in the evening - if you haven't eaten yet - when you continue to work for nearly another 3 hours into the early morning.

The same as Boris wasn't able to persuade the met it was reasonably necessary for work to have members of his family and his paid staff attending a birthday party in his place of work.
Had his spouse, interior designer and photographer not attended it may have been reasonably necessary for work to have some cake before a long meeting.

Needing food is one of the easiest things to prove as necessary.

Luculentus · 11/05/2022 22:26

And it would be very difficult for the police or the CPS to say they know more about what is reasonably necessary for the purposes of an election campaign than the people actually working in that campaign.

spaceman1 · 28/05/2022 07:42

Boris is now calling him Sir Beer Korma!

HesterShaw1 · 28/05/2022 09:05

spaceman1 · 28/05/2022 07:42

Boris is now calling him Sir Beer Korma!

Fucking hilarious. What a wit we have for a PM. Add that to the rest of his admirable qualities.

newnamethanks · 28/05/2022 09:36

All that talent and wit as well. What an interesting package we have as Prime Minister. Shame he couldn't do something useful with it.

jcyclops · 28/05/2022 13:22

Shadow Chancellor Rachel Reeves has been misleading parliament and the public this week by claiming a windfall tax on energy companies was a Labour idea. Labour's windfall tax was first reported on 9th January after being announced the previous day. On the 5th January, the media were already reporting Lib Dem leader Ed Davey's suggestion of a "Robin Hood" windfall tax on energy companies.

Ed Davey has also said that UK and Europe should reduce dependence on Russian oil and gas due to Putin's martial tendencies, diversify sources of gas such as importing LNG from the USA, invest in nuclear power and not obstruct investment in onshore wind power. He didn't jump on the bandwagon as Russia prepared for and then invaded Ukraine, he said this in 2014.

It's a pity that he is leader of the Lib Dems, as he is so much better than the pathetic leadership in the UK's main two parties.

newnamethanks · 28/05/2022 14:06

Well, thanks. That's very, er, interesting. To somebody. Somewhere else. Got any more? Sandwich contents perhaps? Colours of politicians socks? All of equal merit. Keep it up.

Tanith · 28/05/2022 15:56

A windfall tax was in the Labour manifesto of 2019.
www.politicshome.com/news/article/jeremy-corbyn-promises-11bn-windfall-tax-on-oil-and-gas-giants-in-labour-election-manifesto

Believeitornot · 29/05/2022 06:39

jcyclops · 28/05/2022 13:22

Shadow Chancellor Rachel Reeves has been misleading parliament and the public this week by claiming a windfall tax on energy companies was a Labour idea. Labour's windfall tax was first reported on 9th January after being announced the previous day. On the 5th January, the media were already reporting Lib Dem leader Ed Davey's suggestion of a "Robin Hood" windfall tax on energy companies.

Ed Davey has also said that UK and Europe should reduce dependence on Russian oil and gas due to Putin's martial tendencies, diversify sources of gas such as importing LNG from the USA, invest in nuclear power and not obstruct investment in onshore wind power. He didn't jump on the bandwagon as Russia prepared for and then invaded Ukraine, he said this in 2014.

It's a pity that he is leader of the Lib Dems, as he is so much better than the pathetic leadership in the UK's main two parties.

You believe what you want.

Maybebabyno2 · 29/05/2022 06:45

They are all liars and hypocrites. Time for a new option.

Thwomp · 09/07/2022 00:32

How’s everyone doing?

fUNNYfACE36 · 09/07/2022 01:06

Turns out that they,are not all liarsxand hypocrits.just the tories

BishyBarnyBee · 09/07/2022 17:01

Yes, I'm also just waiting for everyone who said "they're all the same" to come back and acknowledge they really aren't.

pointythings · 09/07/2022 17:04

Well, this thread hasn't aged well, has it, OP?