Is this racist?

[ToastedWaffle]

Okay.... so my ex was over at my house tonight to see our kids (he often does this).

Eldest DC was brushing their teeth whilst the same time trying to ask my ex a question.

Because you couldn't make out the words DC was saying with the toothbrush in their mouth, ex then proceeds to imitate the 'sound' saying something like "wah sah wah ha insert random sound here Are you Chinese or something?"

I've just had my arse handed to me by my ex for pointing out it was casually racist and could he not say things like that.

He has kicked up a massive stink which involved shouting, swearing, in which I asked him to leave. Still, the kids overheard him as he was being deliberately loud in shouting at me.

I'm sat here confused as hell.

@BewareTheLibrarians excellent post.

So to all the people saying it's not racism. You would find it acceptable for your kids to do this to other children? Is that how low the bar is?

@Discovereads

I wasn’t claiming the OPs ex is bilingual or anything, merely that he did in fact use actual Chinese words. Therefore, he did not mock Chinese by using animal noises or nonsense noises as other posters have suggested in their outrage.

I also never stated that anyone saying the ex is racist a racist themselves. That is a false accusation.

Actually, when you tell people 'best not go there if I were you', when they say he was speaking nonsense, the implication is that those people are racist. So not a false accusation.

@Indicatrice

How would I know? I live in the UK

Let me try again.

Why don't you try reading, travelling more, seeing first hand what goes on in other parts of the world or at least applying some logic before attempting to present yourself as an expert in racism and talk about 'white privilege'

You have been asked a simple question along the lines of 'do you think a white person would experience racism whilst being a minority in a country other than a UK?'

Your response was rather poor TBH

You have been asked a simple question along the lines of 'do you think a white person would experience racism whilst being a minority in a country other than a UK?'

Racism and prejudice happens In any walk of life. I would call it out in any walk of life. So a white person being othered in a predominantly non-white country? If i was to bear witness to it, I would absolutely call it out.

See my earlier post re ex calling Scots "sweaty socks". Just horrific.

my ex argues the same way you do, it's invariably never in good faith.

I haven't argued at any time, I've shared my opinion. I agreed with what white privilege is about. I showed to be open minded and listening.

That is so much more than some posters here. People who believe they know it all, hold facts and truths and insult those who don't agree with them are those to worry about. these are the characteristics of those who end up in governement for instance.

Sweaty socks utterly horrific? You are venturing into lunacy now 😀

Well I'm the sort of parent who doesnt agree with teaching my kids it's fine to insult a nation of people just because.

But you do you.

You have been asked a simple question along the lines of 'do you think a white person would experience racism whilst being a minority in a country other than a UK?'

I don't know why people think this is a gotcha. Yes, I'm sure in countries where white people are the minority they experience racism.

How does that change anything about white privilege in countries where the majority of the population is white?

😴bore off.

I'm sure in countries where white people are the minority they experience racism

Well, some seem to be unable to see beyond their front door and say that white people cannot experience racism (I've seen it a lot here, someone must be indoctrinating heavily somewhere)

Also 'white privilege' means nothing out of context but they seem to enjoy bandying it about

Because “wah sah ha” were actual Chinese words, not “animalistic noises” or “nonsense noises” as some posters tried to suggest they were. So I don’t think it was blatantly unacceptable imho unless you actually think Chinese words do sound like animal noises? Best not go there if I were you
You are outrageous in your denial!
It’s people like you squirming around that allow racism to continue but you like to kid yourself it’s the hooligans on the football pitch. This low level stuff is insidious, it’s the stuff that had me working out the back of shops when I had Saturday jobs in the seventies. Got me sacked from one job because a couple of people didn’t want the foreign girl ( not the word they used) touching their food. They wondered if the baker was being wise employing me because ‘you know what people are like and they might stop coming here’ . Not them of course, but you know, and they weren’t being racist, it was without malice.
My arse.

Thought you no longer care? 🤔

@mustlovegin

Also 'white privilege' means nothing out of context but they seem to enjoy bandying it about

I posted politely and at length on this thread explaining the value of that term, examples of where it can be helpful to shaping resources and policy to support minorities and tackle the root causes of inequality.

I'm not sure why you're bringing up that 'it means nothing out of context' when it's been put clearly and calmly in context by me and other posters throughout the thread?

So who are you addressing here? People in your own life away from the thread?

I answered a question honestly and said yes, of course in countries where white people are the minority / not in power etc there is racism against them from the majority / ruling powers.

Your response is to essentially ignore that response and simply rant that other people 'bandy about' the term and don't agree with me...

Why where did you label me or call me some thing I think, I missed it 😂

Why where did you label me or call me some thing I think, I missed it 😂

I didn't, so why so aggressive?

My you really are a snowflake if you think bore off is aggressive 😅

I posted politely and at length on this thread explaining the value of that term, examples of where it can be helpful to shaping resources and policy to support minorities and tackle the root causes of inequality
And I politely listened, politely took into consideration what you said, acknowledged what you meant by white privilege and that I agreed to it.

All I said was that I did agree that labelling it as white privilege helped in any way taking racism more seriously and helping shape resources for minority and that on the opposite could be doing more damage.

A point of view one doesn't have to agree with but certainly not outrageous. Yet that prompted the insults and condescending comments.

It is sad that for some, it is summed up as 'white privilege should be shouted any chance you get and if you don't agree, you're racist and that's that because it's a fact and the truth.

No discussion, no subtity.

I posted politely and at length on this thread explaining the value of that term

Yes, you have made the effort to explain. I don't necessarily agree with everything you have said, but I was referring to how the term is overused as if 'white privilege' was a universal uncontestable immutable truth

One other thing.

Someone mentioned upthread the Opium Wars. Do you realise how ridiculous it is to bring this into the discussion given the geopolitical role that East Asia has today?

It's embarrassing. Please everyone try and get out of your heavily CRT-curated academic bubbles and do some real thinking.

White privilege, get off your high horse, spreading hatred and divide.

@Katya213

White privilege, get off your high horse, spreading hatred and divide.

Whereas you sound very reasonable and polite...

Accusation of white privilege = I'm to lazy to discuss with you and need a quick win to feel superior.

@Katya213

You didn't really 'come back at me', you just said something dismissive without adding any substance to the discussion. So it's not anything for me to get bothered about tbh 🤷🏻‍♀️