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To basically demand super-flexible working hours

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Flatbrokefornow · 25/04/2022 22:52

I am very privileged in that I don’t have to work to pay the bills (although only just, and not for much longer at the rate things are increasing!), but less privileged in that I’m widowed with no family close by. I’m completely on my own.

Now my DD is in secondary school, I’d like to think about going back to work, to fund a few treats and get my pension and DD’s education fund back on track, and also for my own fulfilment.

BUT, I won’t consider working school holidays. I know people do, and all power to them, but it won’t work for us, yet. (My DD has been diagnosed with anxiety, is being assessed for ADHD and has also lost her father. She’s got enough to cope with) We’ve tried holiday clubs in the past, and the effects on her anxiety are just not worth it for our family. She’s just 11, and while she (probably) won’t set fire to the house, and I’m happy to leave her for short periods occasionally, I can’t really just expect her to stay home alone all day everyday. There really isn’t anyone I can ask. Lone parenting makes forming friendships difficult, I’m an only child and my parents live abroad. I have lovely neighbours, who will do the odd favour, but that’s not exactly a solid plan going forward.

is it a non starter? I was thinking of retraining, but given the restrictions I can work, I’m not sure it’s worth bothering. Who’s going to want to employ me? Especially if any of the interview panel are blokes who never even think about childcare (and it’s common, let’s face it) and just think I’m either coddling her, or a spoilt princess that wants holidays off. I have considered working in a school, but in all honestly I don’t think I could spend all day managing children’s behaviour and then come home and manage DD (who can be very rigid and oppositional) with the level of patience I’d need and enough energy to hold boundaries with her. I don’t think that would be fair on her, or sustainable for me.

I’m currently looking at careers with flex time, working from home, or short term/part time contracts. I wouldn’t mind buying extra leave, or taking a pay cut, but my family will come first and I would leave a position which didn’t allow or follow through on me not working school holidays (in the main. The odd day will probably be doable) without hesitation. Is this even possible? How can I phrase it so that my boundaries are clear, but not sound entitled? How can I reassure an employer that I’ll do my damndest for them in my working hours, but that’s all of the time they are buying from me, and it’s not about money for me. Are my only options very casual, or leaving a job every July?

OP posts:
Crikeyalmighty · 26/04/2022 09:31

Look at old school 'temping' via agencies. When I temped years ago I did a ton of admin/reception jobs- but only on weeks/days I was free to do so

Crikeyalmighty · 26/04/2022 09:31

Look at old school 'temping' via agencies. When I temped years ago I did a ton of admin/reception jobs- but only on weeks/days I was free to do so

Crikeyalmighty · 26/04/2022 09:32

Look at old school 'temping' via agencies. When I temped years ago I did a ton of admin/reception jobs- but only on weeks/days I was free to do so

Crikeyalmighty · 26/04/2022 09:32

Look at old school 'temping' via agencies. When I temped years ago I did a ton of admin/reception jobs- but only on weeks/days I was free to do so

AnneElliott · 26/04/2022 09:33

The civil service do term time only contracts but it depends on the role. I'd suggest looking for their bulk recruitment in CS jobs (our Department has just done one for G7 and SEO grades) and if you get through tell them you need a term time role so you can be posted to an area that can accommodate that.

ZoyaTheDestroyer · 26/04/2022 09:43

You don't say anything about your skills and qualifications, or if you previously had a career. I have self-employed friends who work as flexibly as you describe but they spent 10+ years building up client bases and relationships to get to a point where they could name their price and their hours.

A lot of self-employed options are quite lonely. You sound very isolated and I wonder if the social contact of a workplace would not only appeal to you but also do you some good.

AnneElliott · 26/04/2022 09:46

Sorry to have spammed the thread! It kept telling me the post couldn't t be loaded! I will ask HQ to delete the copies.

PandemelonFelon · 26/04/2022 09:50

I was going to come in and suggest exactly what @AnneElliott has suggested; when I was in the civil service both my senior managers (G6) worked term-time roles.

However, they did work extended hours during term time - ie. 7 - 5 (I think), and, they split the holidays half each for an on call rota so if the shit hit the fan they would have to organise childcare. It worked really well for all the team.

I was also allowed to work fully flexible hours as my partner was a shift worker - just had to let them know well in advance and make sure it was all in my calendar and the entire team could see me hours. I don't think this worked so well for some of my colleagues though unfortunately (usually the ones who sent things through at 6pm in the evening to be read by 10am the next day when my day wasn't starting until 10am but they hadn't read my calendar...)

SausagePourHomme · 26/04/2022 09:54

My large private sector company supports term time only. Its totally doable.

In your position i would consider running your own business as others have said.

SausagePourHomme · 26/04/2022 09:54

My large private sector company supports term time only. Its totally doable.

In your position i would consider running your own business as others have said.

SausagePourHomme · 26/04/2022 09:54

My large private sector company supports term time only. Its totally doable.

In your position i would consider running your own business as others have said.

MickeyMouseEars · 26/04/2022 09:55

It kind of depends on your skills and how much you want to earn.

Working in the admin office/canteen/as a TA in a school
Temping agencies
Zero hour contract type places
Seasonal/casual work
Small businesses that are quieter over the summer - I used to work for a company like this and my boss would have jumped at the chance to have someone that would take the summer off and he therefore didn't have to pay whilst business died down.

savehannah · 26/04/2022 09:56

I would say self-employment is your best bet. I am self-employed (extra-curricular teaching, typing work, ad hoc child care) and would never go back to having my hours dictated by someone else.

Hankunamatata · 26/04/2022 10:02

OP u need to reframe. Your a widow with a daughter with sen who would like to get back to work but need school holidays off. I get it I have sen kids and moved to term time.

ancientgran · 26/04/2022 10:02

I've employed staff on what is effectively term time contracts in jobs that are nothing to do with education. There are two scenarios:

  1. Very highly qualified woman in a job where there are shortages, she negotiated what she wanted and got it.
  2. A job that was fairly easy to recruit for where I had bank staff who worked the odd day during university termtime and were looking for more hours in holidays.
Both worked well but you do need a boss/HR who are prepared to be flexible and not all are. It did cause me a bit of extra work I suppose but I worked on the principle if the staff were good I wanted to hang on to them and wanted them to be happy in their role because that meant I'd be more likely to hang on to them.

It is possible but not always easy to find. One way is to do some agency work, impress a prospective employer who offers you a job and negotiate. Don't demand, negotiate.

Good luck.

Hankunamatata · 26/04/2022 10:02

OP u need to reframe. Your a widow with a daughter with sen who would like to get back to work but need school holidays off. I get it I have sen kids and moved to term time.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 26/04/2022 10:03

If you don't need the money urgently then also consider volunteering roles for the time being. They tend to be more flexible and you could try a few different roles. 11 years old and newly transitioned to secondary school is a difficult age especially with ADHD in the mix, but as your DD becomes more mature and (hopefully!) independent you should be able to move from there into paid work.

ancientgran · 26/04/2022 10:05

You would be unreasonable to demand it, possible to negotiate it. I was a Senior HR manager and I've had people on termtime contracts.

ancientgran · 26/04/2022 10:06

Something is going wrong, my post disappeared and then suddenly there it is.

wonkylegs · 26/04/2022 10:07

It really depends what starting point you are coming from. Without knowing about your employment skills background it's hard to give any meaningful advice.
I think it's not about 'demanding' anything but saying this is my availability and finding solutions that work with that.

I'm disabled and DHs job is very inflexible for family life but I was lucky my profession offers the opportunity to be self employed and it's not an easy choice (I'd say it's harder than when I was director of a larger practice) but it does offer me flexibility as basically I set my hours. I have worked to build a good reputation and I had a lot of experience before the change and that allows me to be picky and only do jobs that work within my parameters. I also am in a comfortable enough position that if I have a shit month it doesn't cause me financial difficulties.

wonkylegs · 26/04/2022 10:07

It really depends what starting point you are coming from. Without knowing about your employment skills background it's hard to give any meaningful advice.
I think it's not about 'demanding' anything but saying this is my availability and finding solutions that work with that.

I'm disabled and DHs job is very inflexible for family life but I was lucky my profession offers the opportunity to be self employed and it's not an easy choice (I'd say it's harder than when I was director of a larger practice) but it does offer me flexibility as basically I set my hours. I have worked to build a good reputation and I had a lot of experience before the change and that allows me to be picky and only do jobs that work within my parameters. I also am in a comfortable enough position that if I have a shit month it doesn't cause me financial difficulties.

VickyEadieofThigh · 26/04/2022 10:13

JennyForeigner · 25/04/2022 23:04

How about clerking? Every school has to have independent governance professionals. Semi-remote and term-time only, and a good option in terms of re-entering the workforce as it is limited hours to start.

Meetings are evenings, though.

shouldhavedoneit · 26/04/2022 10:14

Practically every Civil Service job is as flexible as you require.

Over the last 25 years I have raised 3 kids whilst working for the Gov.

From Part time /term time only/full time /reduced hours.. every request has been easily accommodated. I currently work full time compressed hours and no longer work Fridays whilst earning a full wage.

Lots of recruitment at the moment. Especially DWP/Home Office and HMRC...

www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi

shouldhavedoneit · 26/04/2022 10:14

Practically every Civil Service job is as flexible as you require.

Over the last 25 years I have raised 3 kids whilst working for the Gov.

From Part time /term time only/full time /reduced hours.. every request has been easily accommodated. I currently work full time compressed hours and no longer work Fridays whilst earning a full wage.

Lots of recruitment at the moment. Especially DWP/Home Office and HMRC...

www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi

changedandcantchangeback · 26/04/2022 10:18

Practically every Civil Service job is as flexible as you require.

Over the last 25 years I have raised 3 kids whilst working for the Gov.

From Part time /term time only/full time /reduced hours.. every request has been easily accommodated. I currently work full time compressed hours and no longer work Fridays whilst earning a full wage.

Lots of recruitment at the moment. Especially DWP/Home Office and HMRC...

www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi

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