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AIBU to want to know the truth about this?

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 25/04/2022 14:39

Noah Donohoe was an intelligent, smart, kind and gentle boy. He was 14 years old, the only child of Fiona Donohoe and her everything.

On 21st June 2020, a bright sunny day and as lockdown had eased, Noah set off on his bike to meet up with his two friends to do some schoolwork together, but never reached his destination. Instead, Noah's body was found 6 days later in a storm-drain, naked, in a part of his home city he did not know.

On the day Noah was found, before Noah was formally identified, the Police did a media release stating that there was ‘No Foul Play’ involved. If the police are so sure that ‘No Foul Play’ was involved and that they will not be found wanting under scrutiny, why are they now trying to stop Noah’s mother and her legal team getting access to four files of information on Noah’s investigation?

The Police have applied for a ‘Public Interest Immunity’ certificate, which, if granted, means they can hide four key files in the investigation. Such a certificate is only used in exceptional circumstances and rarely used in the case of a missing child. This certificate has been brought into play in cases where Police intelligence, informers or paramilitaries are involved.

Noah’s mummy has, from the very start of Noah being missing, believed that the police did not use all their resources in finding Noah. This was confirmed when it emerged they had not paid anyone overtime while investigating his death. They did little, if any, forensics and any suspects that were brought to their attention were dismissed as not relevant.

Noah's mummy believes that someone harmed Noah and that there have been serious and repeated failings in the Police investigation of his death. She will never get to the truth and Justice for Noah if she does not get all the information. These four files are vital to get the truth she desperately needs, to find out what really happened to her precious son.

This is a podcast with Noah's mother. It is a hard watch and so a trigger warning may be needed before watching:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRWsr3giWH8

After watching the podcast and the more I get to know, the more questions and doubts I have, and the more difficult it is to believe the police claim of 'No Foul Play'. Noah's death is being treated as a coroner's investigation and the police are not actively pursuing any person or persons in relation to it. Given the lack of a proper investigation into Noah's disappearance and death by the police and their application to keep their files secret, it is difficult to have any confidence in them. In fact, this has been described as their 'Stephen Lawrence moment'. Add to this that Noah's mother and auntie have received telephone threats, are trolled daily online and posters of Noah have been defaced - his face deliberately cut out of them. My own view is that the files must be released and a new and independent investigation begun.

As a parent, a member of the public and a long-standing Mumsnetter, I want to know the truth about what happened to Noah. Even more importantly, I want his mother Fiona to get the truth she needs to be allowed to grieve properly for her son, for Noah to get the justice he truly deserves, for all other children to be safe in the future and to place transparency and accountability where it should rightly be.

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This is an earlier thread about Noah, nearly full and so about to close to new posts, but with useful links to newspaper articles and also to a petition in support of his mother:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4525759--THREAD-2-Will-you-spare-five-minutes-to-help-the-lovely-Noah-Donohoe-get-the-justice-he-deserves-and-to-support-his-mummy-Fiona-in-getting-the-truth-about-what-happened-to-her-beloved-son

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 11:27

Noah's mobile phone was handed in after it was allegedly found in North Queen Street beside a children's play park.

At first it was put out by some news media, that Noah phoned 999 emergency services from his phone, but the police said this was "inaccurate".

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 11:31

One of the last CCTV videos, show 14 year old Noah on York Road, fully dressed. The following videos show Noah naked on Northwood Road running and exhausted.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 11:47

No CCTV produced shows, nor eyewitnesses, actually show Noah removing his clothing between Skegoneill, Northwood Crescent and Northwood Road.

There was CCTV footage handed in by a member of public who lived on Northwood Road of Noah cycling past her home naked, from the waist up.

There is also CCTV footage of 14 year old Noah naked and running exhausted between 2 houses at the top of Northwood Road. This was the final known sighting of young Noah. His mummy Fiona has seen this video.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 11:57

While Noah's mother Fiona has been shown some CCTV videos, she saw only brief moments of Noah's journey caught on camera. She has not yet seen the moments or hours before or after the videos were recorded. She has requested to see them in their entirety.

The last videos caught on CCTV have caused a lot of confusion. At first the police said Noah's last sighting was at 6:11pm, naked between 2 houses. They then changed the time, twice, and said they had made a mistake and that the actual last sighting was 6:03pm. Those 8 minutes could be crucial.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 12:16

To date, Noah's shorts, underwear, t-shirt and coat have not been recovered. There has also not been anyone come forward with either CCTV or eyewitness to show that Noah removed his clothing.

The bins, on the Tuesday, 2 days after Noah was reported missing and with his clothes missing, where allowed to be emptied as police stood on the street.

Noah's mother Fiona was not allowed to search for her son in the area he was last seen. She said: 'That Tuesday, the same day the bins were emptied, I went to that street and they didn't allow me up to that search area to look for myself. I may have pointed out the storm drain as the elephant in the room!!'

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 12:26

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 12:30

Fiona's petition on Change has 306,285 signatures so far.

If you would like to give your support to this mother by signing or signing and sharing, the link to it is in the OP of this thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4525759--THREAD-2-Will-you-spare-five-minutes-to-help-the-lovely-Noah-Donohoe-get-the-justice-he-deserves-and-to-support-his-mummy-Fiona-in-getting-the-truth-about-what-happened-to-her-beloved-son

Please remember to confirm your signature or it won't count.

Thank you 💙

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 20:42

A member of public said she had seen someone fitting the description of Noah fall off his bike (in North Queen Street/York Street junction). The police suggested that Noah may have suffered a concussion, that this led him to become confused, to get lost, to overheat and take his clothes off and to enter the storm drain . The coroner's report said that Noah had died of drowning. There was no mention of a concussion. The witness has said that she did not see Noah bump his head and did not say to the police that he had bumped his head. Noah also set off from home wearing a helmet.

There is confusion of how the person who saw Noah fall, stated he had left his jacket as it fell on the ground, and that he got back up and got on his bike and continued cycling. Yet Noah's jacket was also mentioned in the anonymous tip off about Daryl Paul having Noah's backpack including his laptop, books and coat.
www.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/missing-jacket-may-provide-key-evidence-as-police-explore-possibility-teen-was-assaulted-before-death-40009079.html?msclkid=7ebf15cfd16111ec8bcfc88d70d288c1

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 20:59

At the time of Noah's disappearance there was a lot of online activity and eye witnesses who left comments on media and PSNI (police) pages stating what they had seen. A majority of these comments vanished within days. However there were screenshots taken at the time.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 21:12

The police superintendent Muir Clark stated "No Foul Play" even before identification of Noah and an autopsy had taken place after the discovery of his naked body, 950m inside a storm drain, in an area he was completely unfamiliar with.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 21:21

Many newspapers and media understandably ran this account from the police of No Foul Play and the suggestion that Noah had done all this himself because of a concussion. After the coroner's report which gave the cause of Noah's death as drowning and did not mention a concussion, there were no further additions to this or updates to correct the lasting impression, for some, that what happened to Noah can all be explained by a stumble from his bike.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 21:23

Bumping till Active...

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 21:24

Bump...

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 21:25

Another bump...

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 21:26

And another...

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 21:27

Still not in Active...

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 21:29

STILL not in Active...

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 21:30

Is Active broken?

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 21:32

Still bumping for Active...

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 21:33

Bump, bump, bump

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 21:42

14th time lucky for Active?!

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 21:44

No. 15th?!

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 21:46

Are we banned from Active completely now?

16th...

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 11/05/2022 21:47

17th bump...

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Cookiecrumblepie · 11/05/2022 21:48

Petition signed and shared. This is awful, I hope this mum gets answers.

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