AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain? ..

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People (from what I am reading in a variety of places on the internet) seem to have decided this even before the trial has been concluded. Presumably, we won't know all of the evidence until the trial ends.

The previous trial in the UK concluded that there was indeed evidence that JD was indeed a wife beater. How come everyone feels that they are sure previous trial had the wrong verdict?

No one seems to care about the horrific texts he sent about burning her etc.

Agree re Brad Pitt. By all accounts these men are hardcore addicts

The fact that Brad’s kids want nothing to do with him is very telling. He blamed Jennifer Aniston for his pot abuse and then blamed Angelina for his alcoholism and Hollywood still loves him!

Another domestic abuse case in Hollywood is singers Josh Homme and Brody Dalle. She left him after DV allegations where he allegedly head butted her and confessed to fantasies of her death. His children don’t want to see him as they say he bullies and demeans them and all applied for restraining orders. Fans are accusing Brody of parental alienation.

You need to be top level abusive to put a cigarette out on someone’s cheek. I can’t imagine any woman doing that to a man she is really scared of. He is obviously not an angel either, but their history with previous partners also shows a clear pattern. Both rather messed up, aren’t they?

i have read the link that you have posted and, whilst her version of events is vey graphic and therefore compelling, it’s impossible to say, in my opinion, which of their versions is true. It’s probably somewhere in the middle.

so that's why there was a judge, who's job is to assess the evidence, and they deemed, based on 12 separate incidents that the descriptor 'wife beater' was accurate for Depp.

im not getting why people think their own cherrypicking of titbits on social media is more accurate than this very detailed anc considered judgement, by a legal professional.

I think they are both toxic, vile people and I do not know how the judge has the patience to sit and listen to the facade.

I think they are both abusive

Because Depp brought the case and the judge is getting a lot of money and exposure to do so. It’s no a criminal case.

Nope. It's a certain type of abuser that recognises and preys on vulnerable women.

But, in the case of JD and Amber Heard, I don't know how I feel. He was violent - punching walls is violence, in my opinion. All the people saying "but he didn't hit her" (not necessarily on this thread, but I have read this over and over again) seem to be ignoring this fact. She is also violent - there is evidence to support this, and she has admitted it. I guess the question is whether or not a label of domestic abuse still applies in a relationship where both parties are abusive. And I'm not sure how clear cut that is. At the end of the day though, no matter what the outcome, this is hardly going to "clear his name" - there's been far too many horrendous and unforgettable details.

Because Amber Heard has a history of abusing partners and her own sister.

Because she cut his finger off, shit in his bed and argues that a punch in the face is a slap.

Because she was recorded bragging that nobody would believe him because he's a man and she's a woman.

Oh and just yesterday the make up company she claimed to use to cover her bruises spoke out and said the pallet she claimed to use didn't exist back then.

Im sure Johnny Depp is no angel, he obviously has huge issues around addiction and the only partner should probably be himself. But a few OTT ranty texts about someone doesn't mean he's an abuser. It doesn't mean he should lose his career whilst the actual abuser faces no consequences for her actions because she's female.

They're both arseholes with anger issues.

I don’t think people do necessarily devour one over the other. When it's been mentioned at work the consensus seems to be the are both equally awful.

Because for many they have always looked up to him. Admired his creativity and found the tortured soul artist interesting.

some seem to be above criticism because they are artists 🙄

And society likes to blame women for men’s downfalls

This

And this 🤣

It’s not misogynistic to point out AH isn’t a “strong woman” for doing the abhorrent things she has done.

No one should be applauding the recording of a person with mh issues going through withdrawals, or encouraging them to get a sharper knife to self harm.

No strong woman demolishes her dignity by shitting in someone’s bed either. No nice woman hands over animals to an animal abuser either (apple didn’t fall far from the tree in the Heard house it seems).

Its not misogynistic to point out they’re both vile creatures, they’re both abusive and they both need help.

It is misandrist to glorify AH as an empowered woman who stood up to her abuser.

I do find the whole narrative that she is “awful”, whilst he is “damaged” frustrating though. I think that, when it comes to violence, men are given more leeway if they had a traumatic past than women are.

It’s not misogynistic to point out AH isn’t a “strong woman” for doing the abhorrent things she has done.

I don't think anyone's saying that.

what's misogynist are all the women putting their hands up on social media as 'team burnt out corpse fucker' when there is no requirement for them to take sides in this shit show at all.

Ronobvious, I meant its a certain type of woman that is attracted to these kind of men after their crimes have been made public

"It is misandrist to glorify AH as an empowered woman who stood up to her abuser."

How many people are actually doing that though? Basically no one. It's not a black and white simplistic situation where one party is a saint and one party is vile. Depp is the one bringing this civil case for damages due to what he believes is defamation/libel about him. He has to demonstrate that what Heard wrote in the article on question was libellous/defamation. To defend herself, she has to show that Depp's behaviour could reasonably be described as domestic abuse. Whether or not Heard was abusive (too), or just simply a deeply unpleasant person is not the point.

I would argue that bringing these repeated cases against Heard damages Depp's reputation significantly more than leaving it and making no comment on the article.

Because hes a once in a generation actor who pulled himself up from nothing and Has It All. Then he split from his stable family for HER. Amber who?! And since THEN his life has been ruined. All he did was send some messages saying he would want to burn her kill her and chuck her corpse. Everyone can understand that. Shes the bad guy. She filmed it. There can only be one good guy and one bad guy and he is the hero.

Except not really. I dont understand any narrative that has him as innocent. I'm not saying shes a saint. But people have picked team Johnny despite knowing he has done things as bad or worse than her bit wont hold him to account. It suits people to think of him as 100% victim (including him) rather than acknowledging he is in any way at fault.

Hes suing that she inferred he was abusive. Because he feels he needs to be vindicated. If he was sane he would be thinking leave her to it, noone believes her. Instead he rather a media frenzy to get at her even after they are over.

He seems to fail to grasp whatever she is guilty of, it doesnt make him innocent.

I think they’re both awful. The texts he sent about her are dreadful. The videos of him banging cupboards about are horrible- I would feel frightened living with someone that angry. And that’s without all the rest of the stuff that we don’t know is true or not.

I would argue that bringing these repeated cases against Heard damages Depp's reputation significantly more than leaving it and making no comment on the article.

Of course. What an extraordinary own goal. I'd never even heard of Amber before this, much less read articles by her.

Now we have Depp's violent meltdowns, depraved texts, disgusting views on women, out of control addiction and the right to call him a wife beater upheld by law played out in front of us. And none of that is in dispute.

Does he seriously think that there'll be a glorious comeback here if he wins? Talk about delusional.

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