AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain? ..

[Cowslip4567]

People (from what I am reading in a variety of places on the internet) seem to have decided this even before the trial has been concluded. Presumably, we won't know all of the evidence until the trial ends.

The previous trial in the UK concluded that there was indeed evidence that JD was indeed a wife beater. How come everyone feels that they are sure previous trial had the wrong verdict?

"Non-abusive, non-misogynistic men do not say things like that. Not just the texts with Bettany, there are plenty more examples."

People say all sorts of things and make jokes about all sorts of things. I like really sick dead baby jokes. Doesn't mean I want to hurt babies. Not everyone thinks like you.

"One thing I will quote is "She is begging for humiliation on a global scale and she's going to get it" because I think that illustrates his abusive mindset quite well."

She was begging for humiliation by making herself out to be the poor, innocent victim of abuse when she herself was extremely violent and abusive. She is reaping what she sowed. It wasn't as if he didn't warn her and tell her not to go down that road.

"Added to that, there are well documented instances of his physically abusing her."

No there isn't. There's just her allegations. Four police officers, a neighbour and a makeup artist have all testified that there was nothing wrong with her face and no damage to the apartment.

"So yes I do think it's worse."

That's shocking that you think a text is worse than actual physical abuse.

@Aspiringmatriarch
He may have form for trashing hotel rooms. She has form for assault on both friends and a former girlfriend and also possesses a (sealed) juvenile record. Who even has a juvenile record?
She's perjured herself repeatedly, broke Australia's laws about bringing her dogs through quarantine and claimed she'd given $7m to charity which she has not. Many of the facts of this case may be ambiguous but her character is pretty clear.

Your post says more about you than Amber Heard!

People say all sorts of things and make jokes about all sorts of things. I like really sick dead baby jokes. Doesn't mean I want to hurt babies. Not everyone thinks like you.

Ok, well that's really very weird and unpleasant of you. But I assume you've never made 'dead baby jokes' about actual infants you are close to? Because that would be a better comparison.

Anyway I'm completely baffled that anyone could see messages like that and defend the person sending them so it seems pointless engaging with you any further. But to reiterate, her allegations were found to be substantially true in a court of law based on a full assessment of the evidence.

"She has form for assault on both friends and a former girlfriend and also possesses a (sealed) juvenile record. Who even has a juvenile record?
She's perjured herself repeatedly, broke Australia's laws about bringing her dogs through quarantine and claimed she'd given $7m to charity which she has not. Many of the facts of this case may be ambiguous but her character is pretty clear."

When was she charged or convicted for an assault on her previous girlfriend? Or on her female friends?

Depp has a long record too, a lot of it lost to the mists of time as younger fans are unaware of his previous behaviour.

Can you give details of the perjury convictions for Heard?

Depp and Heard both brought the dogs into Australia, hence both being made to apologise.

The lack of donation may well be true, although Heard says the agreement wasn't to donate it all in one go.

They are both troubled unpleasant people.

I think they both have significant problems and based on the evidence presented so far it would be easy to say six of one and half a dozen of the other but in every still taken in the court room JD appears to be smirking and I'm left wondering if it's dupers delight.

Really couldn’t be bothered to follow/ form an opinion on this because whilst I have extensive sympathy for those stuck living in abusive relationships - I have much less sympathy for those with means to leave an abusive relationship who choose not to.

But DP has been watching the trials and I have to say I watched some last night and they are hilarious! Mr Rottenborn and his constant objections, the English butler, the whole search for Mr Depps finger. I have never seen anything like it and have to conclude I am now hooked and the only conclusion I can reach is they are both batshit crazy.

I'm quick not to judge the women but it does seem at the very least a mutually toxic relationship with some orchestration from Heard's side. Women can be dicks in relationships too, but Depp played his part, he's also an adult and responsible for his behaviour and should have walked away long ago, he certainly has the financial freedom to do whatever he wants.

A terrible pairing because we heard nothing like this from Depp's previous relationships and I can't imagine Vanessa Paradis shitting in anyone's bed or him sending vile text messages about her.

How anyone has the patience to deal with Mr Rottenborn is beyond me.

I bet the man shouts "objection" as he climaxes, it just slips off the tounge so easily for him.😂

He even objected to his own question and the English butler cracked me up, I felt sorry for the guy he was like a deer in headlights poor bloke.

Then on the other end of the scale you had the concierge sat in his car, clearly pissed off at the whole situation and clearly gave no fucks 😂

Seriously?

The fact that male on female violence is of epidemic proportions and female on male violence is so rare as to be newsworthy must have escaped you. And the fact that men are generally bigger and stronger than women.

I bet the man shouts "objection" as he climaxes, it just slips off the tounge so easily for him.😂

Heeeeeyuuuuwwwk! 😬

@TheSillyMastiff

Its incredible isn’t it. I have to thank Mr Rottenborn for doing that objection to his own question when Depp had barely spoken 3 words as that was comedy gold.

I just also can’t get over the repetitive questioning. I don’t often watch US trials so maybe they are all like this but it’s just so funny! I have no idea how anyone is keeping a straight face.

Am I being overly jaded in that I think that most celebrities drink, take drugs, and waste money?

Yes. Through my work, I know/have known a number of celebrities and most of them don't have drug and alcohol additions, vandalise hotel rooms, punch co-workers, get into physical fights with their partners or have to sue newspapers for 'defamatory' statements about their behaviour.

On ur point about people having the mean to leave that don't, im assuming u mean money, and ur assuming every person who has the money to leave, does. There are lots of reasons why people don't leave abusive partners , which doesn't include money, surely we still have sympathy for them? Like saying all rich people who r being abused does not deserve sympathy 😬

The repetition of question also gets to me.

"Would you be able to remember what makeup miss heard had on?"

No

"Would you be able to remember what clothes miss heard had on?"

No

"Would you be able to remember if miss heard had powder on?"

No

Would you be able to remember if miss heard was dressed smart?"

No

And this went on for about 15 questions.

Jesus woman, just ask in one question

"On any given day, would you say you would be able to recall miss heards general appearance, such as the style of clothing or cosmetics?

No

Great move on.....🤦🏻‍♀️😂

But what does that matter? Abuse can be done by both sees, just because women is more known , doesn't mean anything, there is huge sigma with men being abused, there's society opinions that men r weak or it must not be happening surely as u said men are stronger? (What does that even mean?!, also physical abuse isnt the only form! ) by u being focused on that u r continuing the cycle of its not a problem, well it is and it needs to loose the sigma, men have ever right to talk about it !

Is the fact amber is a woman got anything to do with this? Can we assume that because she is a woman she must have been abused? Well no, because abuse can be done by either sex, so bizarre! This is even a thing we'll it's not a think that's the point!

@Newrunner29

I didn’t say no sympathy, I said much less sympathy.

Yes moneys a big one obviously. There are a lot of reasons beyond money where I would have more sympathy; physical control ie. literally can’t leave, joint kids and custody issues for example

In this case I haven’t heard of any reason she couldn’t leave bar some kind of Stockholm syndrome; but as it seems she was equally abusive I don’t think that really sticks.

Some people genuinely enjoy being in toxic abusive relationships and being abusive and toxic back. This relationship seems like it could potentially have been one of them so I will be honest my sympathies have a limit. If two people mutually want to tear each other apart, shit on each other’s beds and throw bottles at each other then so be it.

People say all sorts of things and make jokes about all sorts of things. I like really sick dead baby jokes. Doesn't mean I want to hurt babies. Not everyone thinks like you

You would send a text to a friend joking about another friends baby dying? Naming the specific baby? Because that is the equivalent here. He wasnt joking about women in general he said her specifically and he’d like to fck her burnt corpse. So unless you’d send a text laughing about a friends baby dying it’s not the same thing AT ALL. If you would, then I really have no words because that would make you as sick as him.

Getting used to replying directly - @Musomama1

Pull up a chair...He was shown to refer to Paradis in the 2020 trial as a withering cunt and now that the mother and primary carer of his children was to paraphrase, a 'french extortionist ex-cunt'.

Heard, to paraphrase again - is/has an over-used flapping fish market and is a quote 'cum-guzzler'. Being a argumentative, bullying, abusive, nag of a woman deserves....sexual slurs? They are unrelated. Depp is a misogynist.

Also, he joked by text about someone doing a turd outside her room for giggles. It is he who has a scatogical sense of humour, and the 'shit in the bed' allegation is opportunistic legal scattershot that was explicitly disbelieved by the UK court.

No disrespect, but I am eager to sort the wheat from the chaff on this. There are ample factual things to hit claimant and defendant on. Chaff is a feature of this case, not a bug.

Heard, to paraphrase again - is/has an over-used flapping fish market and is a quote 'cum-guzzler'.

Kinda puts the pearl-clutching over AH calling him an "old, fat man" into a different light, doesn't it. I'm not saying it's a kind attitude for her to have, but it seems to be on a different scale of viciousness.

I don't think there's any way that you can hold that kind of internal attitude to women and not have it show up in actions.

I don't think there's any way that you can hold that kind of internal attitude to women and not have it show up in actions.

I agree

"The fact that male on female violence is of epidemic proportions and female on male violence is so rare as to be newsworthy must have escaped you. And the fact that men are generally bigger and stronger than women."

Absolute twaddle. Most domestic violence is mutual and women are responsible for roughly half of it, often instigating it.

"Kinda puts the pearl-clutching over AH calling him an "old, fat man" into a different light, doesn't it. I'm not saying it's a kind attitude for her to have, but it seems to be on a different scale of viciousness."

The difference is she said it to his face whereas he said that behind her back. Neither mean very much. Calling each other nasty names is just childish and doesn't count as physical abuse.

The other difference is that he was saying it about someone who is now known to be abusive to him. You can't expect someone to be all that respectful about you if they've made your life a living hell.

It's comical how his texts have upset the prim sensibilities of the Mumsnet crowd. What sheltered lives so many seem to lead that they are so easily shocked and appalled by a few unpleasant and patently absurd words.