AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain? ..

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People (from what I am reading in a variety of places on the internet) seem to have decided this even before the trial has been concluded. Presumably, we won't know all of the evidence until the trial ends.

The previous trial in the UK concluded that there was indeed evidence that JD was indeed a wife beater. How come everyone feels that they are sure previous trial had the wrong verdict?

" a system which naturally blames women even for their OWN abuse by others"

No-one is blaming women here. What some of us are doing is not believing she was abused based on the evidence we have seen. We also have a 'system' which is slow to believe women can be abusers, especially of men and a court system which is biased against them, especially in sentencing.

"Now two people are probably irreparably ruined - and all for what?"

If one or other of them is guilty of what they have been accused of then it should be publicly known. Whether accusations, especially ones not subject of a criminal case should be enough to end or derail a career is a different matter.

Even though I believe Heard was the abuser I don't want it to end her acting career. I would prefer she got the help she so obviously needs.

"I've never heard anyone use Team Amber on any platform."

And we go round in circles.

Nobody has called themselves team Amber on here, you're right. They might not anywhere. I couldn't say either way. However, regardless of what some people call themselves, there are those on here, especially those of a particular feminist bent, who are very much 'team Amber' whether or not they choose to identify as such.

That was the point I was actually making. I was pointing out what I believe to be their bias whether or not they are self identified as fans of Heard and part of her 'team'.

However, regardless of what some people call themselves, there are those on here, especially those of a particular feminist bent, who are very much 'team Amber' whether or not they choose to identify as such.

not at all, but god love you, you aren't exactly into nuance

regardless, there is a difference between declaring yourself 'Team X' in this shitshow (when there is no requirement to do so) and not labelling yourself as such.

Its pinning your colours to the mast, publically. Condoning appalling behaviour. It says a lot about people that they are happy to label themselves as such

I’m not Team Anyone as I’m not an infatuated teen. Having watched some of it and listened to stuff that comes up and read both case summaries (original and appeal) both seem people I wouldn’t want to engage with, but I feel a bit more empathy to Heard than the general ‘she’s a witch!’ as I think things are twisted against her and presented as facts (bed shitting, finger slicing) when they are definitive. I also think she’s in the wrong and neither should have been with the other one, with both behaving badly.

*arent definitive

I’m not Team Anyone as I’m not an infatuated teen.

quite.

I've never heard anyone use Team Amber on any platform

Literally took me seconds to find plenty of #TeamAmber posts on Twitter @TheKeatingFive

I think "team" anyone in this instance is ridiculous. But I don't know why you're arguing with @misssatan that they don't exist when they do.

Literally took me seconds to find plenty of #TeamAmber posts on Twitter

i admit I didn't specifically look.

I didn't come upon a single one organically. Tonnes of Team Corpse Fucker though.

I wonder if we crunched the data, how many Team Amber posts do we have compared to Team Johnny. A very tiny percentage id hazard.

I didn't say they didn't exist, I said I hadn't seen them anywhere. Which is 100 % true.

You weren't exactly looking

You weren't exactly looking

I wasn't looking for Team corpse fucker either, yet they're all over my FB feed.

But I don't know why you're arguing with @misssatan that they don't exist when they do.

Frankly, I don't know why anyone is arguing with MissSatan. But if people want to bash their heads against a brick wall, then it's their heads.

Well...maybe that says more about the friends you have.
My FB feed has no mention of either!

Well...maybe that says more about the friends you have.

actually, I've lots of groups on FB, most of them were on those.

but yes, some friends, which I was surprised and a bit disappointed by tbh.

Frankly, I don't know why anyone is arguing with MissSatan. But if people want to bash their heads against a brick wall, then it's their heads.

voice of reason here, cheers 😆

I think your point about the Sun casebis misleading. For them to be guilty of libel, surely Depp would have had to prove that they knowingly misled or misrepresented...however if their source is his ex-wife saying that he beat her, then I don't see how he could win that case at all as The Sun are just using information that she put out into the public domain, not The Sun. Of course it was a weaker case he was unlikely to win I.e. rather than The Sun lying, it is potentially Amber lying (alleged by Depp). This trial is whether or not Amber is lying....

if he doesn't challenge that in court then he's as good as saying "its now a matter of record that this is true".

And instead, it's a matter of public (ie legal) record that he's a wife beater. 12 counts of it to be precise.

Real smart move. If that isn't a spectacular own goal then I don't know what is. The truth is that both these ill-advised defamation suits have been far more devastating to his reputation than simply issuing a denial of her claims. He'd still be working, and most people aside from the couple involved would likely have forgotten by now. Public opinion is fickle.

If the endgame of these farcical suits was to restore his reputation then he's gone entirely the wrong way about it.

This trial is whether or not Amber is lying

No. This trial is whether Amber can call herself a victim of abuse or whether that defames Depp.

My understanding, which may not be accurate, so correct me if not, is that the burden of proof is with him and he will have to prove definitively that he never abused her. Which even in the best of situations strikes me as difficult and particularly when there is so much circumstantial evidence against him, plenty of it coming out of his own mouth.

Real smart move. If that isn't a spectacular own goal then I don't know what is. The truth is that both these ill-advised defamation suits have been far more devastating to his reputation than simply issuing a denial of her claims.

Absolutely this

You are correct.

the level of ignorance in here however is staggering. Might as well chat with the doorstep.

People posting "the trial is about whether..." etc are missing the point. The legal purpose of the trial is irrelevant (to Depp).

The purpose of this trial, with the ensuing news reports and Youtube live feeds and forum discussion threads, is to restore his public reputation. And that has already worked.

He might lose the trial itself, that doesn't really matter. What matters is that the public thinks "poor guy, she fucked him over" when they are paying for their Pirates of the Caribbean 14 ticket.

The purpose of this trial, with the ensuing news reports and Youtube live feeds and forum discussion threads, is to restore his public reputation. And that has already worked.

You think? Really?

😂

Interesting that you think the public will ignore the revelations about his alcohol and drug use, the way he speaks about women in general, the amount of money he wastes weekly, because they feel he has been treated badly by a woman.

I would imagine he's also pretty much uninsurable for work these days too, because of the drugs/alcohol plus the court case around him punching a location manager on set.

You think? Really?

Yes. Most people online that I have seen, including on this thread, now think that he was the abused one, or at least that they were mutually abusive.

Most people online that I have seen, including on this thread, now think that he was the abused one, or at least that they were mutually abusive.

I'm not sure that's the major factor studio execs are interested in.