To not feel sorry for Amber Heard even in light of evidence

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I always loved Johnny Depp. Was really wanting to take his side, but the evidence being presented is making that impossible for me. But as much as I want to support women, I cannot warm to Amber Heard. is it patriarchal brainwashing? Is it that they both seem spoiled and behaving badly? Or something else?

@AngelaRayner4PM (& other posters) for your insight & sharing your experiences.

It sounds like she was just as, if not more, abusive and violent, so I don’t feel sorry for her or think she deserves more sympathy than him. I don’t actually think either of them deserve sympathy, they sound awful.

They are both awful. The only difference is that JD is clearly a better actor and is coming across as the the charming, bullied victim, whereas AH has just sat there with a face like a smacked arse.

They are both abusive and an absolute mess. Female on male abuse can’t be brushed under the carpet.

Avoiding reading about the pair of them melodramatic narcissists. A toxic combination.

• also I mean melodramatic with all these court cases… enough is enough they need to accept both of them had dreadful behaviour and substance abuse problems and move on. Not sue each other for millions. Not doing either of them any favours.

Agree both deeply unpleasant, both abusive.

I've followed both trials and read all the court transcripts etc.
I don't think JD is a narcissist. He clearly has addiction, drug and alcohol issues but narcissism isn't one of them.
AH is a narcissist and she now believes her own story about JD being physically abusive to her. She's dug herself a hole and can't get out.

Yes, I have to. I do also agree that he clearly has drug/alcohol dependency issues and I suspect she has an NPD, so it will be interesting to see if that shows itself when she is in the stand and during cross examination. If she has in anyway lied or believes her own truth as fact she will be found out.

They clearly had a horrible, toxic relationship, both of them abusing drink and drugs. I thought they sounded pretty much as bad as each other. Then one afternoon after seeing it linked somewhere, I read the whole court judgement after the Sun libel case. You can read it here:

https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2020/2911.html

And he comes across as an absolutely vile man. The judge clearly believed on the balance of evidence that Amber was largely telling the truth. I have no doubt that he hit and verbally abused her. She has not been the 'perfect' victim, which is why she's getting all the backlash now. Yes, she fought back and doesn't come across as a particularly pleasant person. But that's not the point. I don't think she's lying when she calls him an abuser - have a read for yourself, all the claims and counter-claims are in here (set aside some time, it's loooong).

She's a narcissist, he's an addict, was never going to end well - or quietly.

What type of woman covertly films her husband for years? The type looking for a big payout/blackmail. I believe he’s behaved badly and I also believe he was deliberately goaded into a lot. She secretly filmed him. Nasty woman.

My understanding was The Sun called him a wife beater. He sued and lost as it was found to be substantiated.

She wrote an article not naming him and now he has taken her to court.

Is that right?

That's not what the court ruled in the previous court case.

he recorded her too

It makes for very uncomfortable watching. The dynamic seems to be pretty abusive both ways - lots of screaming, swearing, yelling and violence. Can’t believe his messages about her, nor her shitting in the bed and throwing punches. It’s extremely bizarre and pretty awkward for both of them, frankly.

Btw I don’t think that recording is necessarily for monetary means. My father was an abusive prick and used to routinely record my mother (on a dictaphone - it was a simpler time in the early 90s!) and that was just part of the abuse. The fact they both have recordings of one another is very unpleasant.

They clearly had a toxic relationship and both appeared to have been abusive. Both should just move on, shame.

I hope JD wins

#Mencanbeabusedtoo!
#Shesadisgracetotruesurvivors!

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2020/2911.html

Well that was a fairly horrifying read (didn't read it all, skim read most, but did read the judgement properly)

Hell but he does not come across well

I heard the tapes of her raging at me and what struck me was that she had no point. Just a diatribe of range.
She is the narc

but

Not 100% sure he isnt partly responsible for his worsening image. He seemed not to be hiding drug use. He left his long term partner and mother of his children for a much younger woman and married her!!! Seemed like he contributed to his own poor image, in part.

Raging at johnnie depp i mean. Freudian slip! My x used to rant at me for hours, full of rage, not making any point,

Nrtft

yanbu

I totally agree he’s obviously been violent, but there is nothing showing he assaulted her. She has deliberately goaded and emotionally abused him. Anyone who has an alcohol and drug problem whose going on bindges is going to be very easy to push to their limits when they are on a bender. She has coldly manipulated him, why else has she taken pictures of him passed out and just happened to have videos of him loosing it where she is all calm. She knew exactly what she was doing.

She’s the one who has a history of domestic violence, she was arrested for assaulting an ex, though charges wernt pressed, her ex said it was blown out of proportion, but how many victims say this??? There is also footage of her sister on some reality show with a bruised face where the other contestants keep talking about AH battering her. She’s also admitted to hitting him and she bloody chopped off the tip of his finger in a rage. She is NO victim. Even if he did hit her she is not some innocent woman who is afraid of an abusive man.

She has used the plight of real victims of domestic violence to boost her own career.

im not condoning JD, I’m not even a fan of him but I can’t stand women like AH, she’s a nasty piece of work.

That's not what I meant at all. Did you see the headlines today, @ParisNoir mentioned it further up,
Now there is evidence of an email JD sent to Elton John calling vanessa paradis an "extortionist french cnt" and saying she was trying to poison his kids against him and Amber. *

Jesus, it’s not the X Factor Ffs. And that’s been the most dreadful thing about all of this with it been treated like a sports match.

With only what we’ve been shown they were both abusive to each other to some degree. The question is whether JD was physically abusive - from the libel case with the sun it’s very likely he was. That’s it. The fan worshipping it ridiculous.

I don't. I hope they go on the facts, but I don't hope he wins. They both look terrible. He was awful about Vanessa Paradis, it was reported today.

Absolutely this.

People don't seem to understand the case is based on this, not on who the biggest 'baddie' is.