My dh and I were discussing the tory party. He really dislikes what they stand for.aibu to.ask .. .

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Ask if you.vote tory and would be planning to continue to do so.. why and what do you like about the party?in the circles we mix in no one votes tory that we know of so cant ask in real life.. but there must be many who vote this way.

While Trump didn't win against Biden, he still achieved the second highest vote tally in US electoral history.

The United States is divided in two, so the result for Biden and Trump was still monumental for the USA. 84m for Biden and 74m for Trump.

That is not what I said, I was specifically talking about politicians and the media, the people we see on the TV etc. They are VERY urban seeming, very smug and very 'enbubbled'. Labour voters generally? Vast numbers of them not a bit like that, including my dearest friend who is 'proper' Labour and always has been.
Also FWIW i find most of the formally nationalised industries much improved. 6 months for a phone line? Random powercuts? No thanks!

what’s YOUR view on the tories (not your husbands or friends!)

Well if you were Jewish you couldn't vote for Corbyn so lots of us ended up voting Tory. I voted lib dem though cos I couldn't vote Tory! But others might say that is a wasted vote.

But I have no problems voting labour under Keir.

I have read that nobody who earns under £80k a year benefits from a Tory government.

It is beyond me why anyone would vote Tory unless they are completely self sufficient, by which I mean they don’t need to use any kind of public services like NHS treatment or state schools.

Personally, I agree with you OP.

I vote tory

i am a working single parent of two children. I am certainly “not” rich.

i am, comfortable though ie I don’t worry about not being able to feed, home or clothe my children

but “rich”? Good heavens no

I have voted Tory in the past because I like my constituent MP.

However I didn't vote for him in the last election because of Brexit. I actually spent so long deciding who to vote for in the polling booth that I can't even remember where I ended up putting my cross.

I'd have exactly the same dilemma if there was an election tomorrow. I feel really politically homeless.

Bull shit

anyone on a lose wage isn’t taxed a penny until £12,250.

@MondaysChild7 are they only looking at the working population. We are an ageing society so there are a lot of older people who may have pensions lower than 80k a year but feel well off due to assets like their houses etc.. so they may not feel the same pressures that working people feel esp those with families..

Though what they will do when their care home doesn't have enough staff to wipe their bottoms (due to low pay and Brexit and underfunding), I have no idea. I guess by that time, they would be too demented to care and it would be their children's problem. Or if they are waiting 10 hours for an ambulance. I suppose dead people can't vote.

Oh and 80% of their childcare costs

You are being unreasonable. I was brought up that a persons vote is private and that it’s not up to me to judge why someone else votes. There are many reasons I vote conservative and many reasons I don’t vote Labour. But I’m not going to share them as your not actually interested you just want a reason to start a bun fight…

@tomatoandherbs anyone who earns below 12k doesn't earn enough to participate in society anyway unless living with mum and dad and mum and dad pay all bills.

Nowadays low earners I would classify as anyone with a household income below £50k esp if there is at least 1 child below 18.

anyone on a lose wage isn’t taxed a penny until £12,250.

And who can live on that?

Yes but then if you earn £25k you are only taxed on £12.5k basic rate
plus you will receive income top up under universal credit if you have children
plus housing benefit if you are not a home owner
plus 80% childcare costs

this was me! 6 years ago straight after my divorce. 2 young children and No support network.

i felt the government came through for me.

Depends entirely where you live in uk

@tomatoandherbs my mortgage in zone 3 London is £1k..there are plenty of places in the UK where rent is £1k per month. My friend in north Yorkshire has the same outgoings as me despite her and her DH earning a quarter of our household income..not kidding. Mainly because she has to run cars cos there is no public transport like in London.

@BattenbergdowntheHatches 'Think as minces' and there we have it ! No misogyny or covert racism here but the first to accuse labour of arrogance towards the red wall voters. The irony.

I don’t vote Tory and never have but I know enough of them and they seem to vote for them for different reasons. Ex and his parents for example, think all forriners should “go home” and there’s too many people relying on the state to pay for their children. But at the same time, don’t see why ex should pay child support, so presumably don’t feel like other NRP should either? So children in single parent households should be destitute.

My grandad was a lifelong Tory voter and believed they didn’t “piss money up the wall like Labour”. Pretty sure he wasn’t a single mother hating bigot though. Or if he was he hid it well.

It's the stand on your own feet party, basically, look after yourself and if you have a family look after that too.
Some feel society is communal and not made up of individuals and individual groups like the nuclear family.

@Hrpuffnstuff1 coming from an Asian society/family where my cousin got shunned basically for not wanting to look after his special needs sister for the rest of her life when he already had his divorced mum move in with him and his wife (3 bed flat and he is 32), I can identify with the idea that we should look after our families before turning to the state. But most British families seem quite distant to me and hands off. Most people don't even give money to their parents even if parents are struggling. Or well off people often don't help their struggling siblings. Many grandparents unwilling to provide childcare and of course their kids then don't want to provide care when they are infirm.

This is why I think we need a welfare state. If most people helped their family, we wouldnt need one..if there wasn't a welfare state, I would support my DH's mum and adult sister, no questions about that, but most people wouldn't so I don't think it should be abolished.

Sometimes I vote Tory.

I research the candidates, reads the manifestos and makes a decision that best serves my family (which I know is Thatcherite in itself).

I don't really understand why people vote exactly the same way year in year out, but that's probably because I don't really believe either exclusively right wing or entirely left wing is the way to go. My DH wouldn't dream of switching his allegiance. That doesn't make any difference to how I vote.

What do you think OP? What maters you you?

Yes, I agree with this.

You just have to see all the negativity about the UK on MN.

We are one of the best and most decent countries in the world.

AGREED!