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My dh and I were discussing the tory party. He really dislikes what they stand for.aibu to.ask .. .

267 replies

Chewchewaboogiw · 22/04/2022 09:21

Ask if you.vote tory and would be planning to continue to do so.. why and what do you like about the party?in the circles we mix in no one votes tory that we know of so cant ask in real life.. but there must be many who vote this way.

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MoiraQueen · 22/04/2022 09:42

Actually another answer...

My parents vote Tory, we don't agree on politics.
They are working class, worked hard all their lives. We've been through some really tough times when I was a child, we were homeless for a while, lived in a hovel without running water or any sanitation for 3yrs. My parents talk about about how hard things were under Labour, the strikes, the corruption. They have never been so well off as they have been under the Conservatives, they own their council house because of Thatcher and that is a huge thing for them.

Ironically my Dad has had really poor treatment under the NHS recently, but they don't see the connection, they also voted for Brexit, but don't see the issues as they aren't affected by them. They live a fairly simple life, don't travel, don't need much. So see it as a good thing that more people will have to be frugal and not buy items from abroad etc.

MajorCarolDanvers · 22/04/2022 09:43

I have voted for them on occasion as the party most likely to beat the SNP where I live.

falloutcheer · 22/04/2022 09:43

Always have always will
my children attend private school - safe under the tories
i received the furlough scheme during the pandemic, I had an operation under the NHS during the pandemic (superb) and I was fully vaccinated way before my inlaws abroad.
And finally, I rate Sunak very highly indeed.

there’s my reasons

squiller · 22/04/2022 09:43

I only know of one Tory, FIL’s partner. She is exceptionally wealthy and votes for them so she can keep more of her money. Simple as that really. She also holds the widely held Tory belief that if she could escape poverty and become extremely wealthy, anyone can. She thinks poor people are lazy Hmm.

FIL is a life long Labour voter and he does not hold these views so we have no idea how he can stand being with her. She’s an arsehole in general, not just because she votes Tory. She doesn’t like Boris though so at least there’s that…

Dinosauratemydaffodils · 22/04/2022 09:47

Fil will vote Tory at the next election. He's rich and thinks poverty is self inflicted due to laziness/lack of drive. I don't deny he worked hard and has a massive pension to show for it but he also comes from an upper class family with money. He has a wide social circle who seem to think similarly and Mil votes how he tells her.

He also voted for Brexit but that's ok because his children and grandchildren all have EU citizenship through their mother/grandmother as well as British as far as he's concerned.

My mother also votes Tory otherwise apparently my military Maggie Thatcher worshipping dad will return from the grave to haunt her!

I'm banned from discussing politics at family parties.

Giraffesandbottoms · 22/04/2022 09:47

Ahhhh another Tory bashing thread! Delightful! 😒

we vote conservative because we are rich. We pay 45% tax already, give to charity and it makes the most fiscal sense of us personally. It’s selfish but people vote for selfish reasons, obviously. I also have to say the current refusal to support women’s rights has been off putting re other parties but I would be highly unlikely to vote for them anyway.

these threads are beyond tedious. I don’t care if people don’t like who I vote for - but you won’t get a lot of answers from people because no one on here wants to admit voting Conservative as everyone just insults them 🤷🏻‍♀️

forinborin · 22/04/2022 09:47

I don't vote in the UK, but if I did, in the current circumstances I'd vote Conservative, primarily on the basis of gender politics and foreign policy. I also like that they are trying to stimulate an aspirational mindset in the population rather than a culture of welfare dependency and woe-is-me. I also somewhat softened on the Brexit topic now, having observed the EU in the last few weeks.

afizzysweet · 22/04/2022 09:49

I do, and when the time comes for a GE, I may well waste a vote on one of them. It won’t make much difference.

Except for 10 years ago when we had a lib dem and tory coalition?

ENoeuf · 22/04/2022 09:49

Your husband dislikes them? You do realise you have a separate vote…why not ask for you?

desiringonlychild2022 · 22/04/2022 09:49

@FairyCakeWings I honestly don't think taxing anyone's primary residence is on the cards for any political party. There are so many people on state pension only but who own million pound homes in London. How are they supposed to pay it? Maybe they could pay it after they die and their house is passed on but that's more like a death/inheritance tax..
Higher inheritance taxes, yes. Higher second home levies, definitely. But I can't see why you wouldn't support those if you have a DC. If you are low income, you definitely can't help them with deposits which would be the default for the next generation. I am only having 1 DC cos I anticipate this.. but there would be a lot of people who can and would give hundreds of thousands of pounds to their DC due to inheritances.

Dissimilitude · 22/04/2022 09:50

I vote Tory through gritted teeth because Labour are hopelessly ideological on certain issues. The Tories have historically had a deeper instinct for pragmatism that has admittedly diminished in recent iterations of the party.

In a reversal of what my position would have been 20 years ago, oddly now I think the Tories are (more) correct on culture, but have lost the plot on economics somewhat. Austerity was a self-inflicted wound, causing unnecessary harm etc.

But Labour have a strain of complete cultural madness that runs through them. Corbyn for fuck sake. Until that ideological zealotry is locked up and they throw away the key, I'll hold my nose and vote Tory.

sst1234 · 22/04/2022 09:51

CounsellorTroi · 22/04/2022 09:28

The Tories are the party of self interest and of protecting individual wealth at the expense of society. But hey, they know what a woman is.

Your last (unoriginal) sentence is often said with glee as though it’s really big and clever to point this out sarcastically. Do you think that knowing a woman isn’t important? Do you think it’s so trivial that we should support Labour who are gaslighting half the population about something as fundamental as what a woman is.

afizzysweet · 22/04/2022 09:52

The thing is, financially speaking, we as a household (when it comes to things like income tax, capital gains, etc) would be better off if the tories stayed in.

I seriously dislike Boris but the one thing I do agree with him on his the gender politics situation.

Neither of these things, for me, are enough for me to disregard the behaviour of the tory party over the last 2 years and everything else they've bungled over the last 12.

sst1234 · 22/04/2022 09:52

Dissimilitude · 22/04/2022 09:50

I vote Tory through gritted teeth because Labour are hopelessly ideological on certain issues. The Tories have historically had a deeper instinct for pragmatism that has admittedly diminished in recent iterations of the party.

In a reversal of what my position would have been 20 years ago, oddly now I think the Tories are (more) correct on culture, but have lost the plot on economics somewhat. Austerity was a self-inflicted wound, causing unnecessary harm etc.

But Labour have a strain of complete cultural madness that runs through them. Corbyn for fuck sake. Until that ideological zealotry is locked up and they throw away the key, I'll hold my nose and vote Tory.

This very succinctly sums up how a vast number of Tory voters feel.

Getoff · 22/04/2022 09:53

BuanoKubiamVej · 22/04/2022 09:37

People are more or less likely to vote in a particular direction depending on their philosophical position on the question of "why do some people end up very rich while others remain poor all their lives?"

People who vote Tory aren't necessarily evil as I was led to believe by my mainly socialist family. However, they are likely to believe that anyone who works hard, keeps a lookout for opportunities and isn't trying to sponge off the state will end up wealthy eventually, and the state shouldn't then take away that wealth and give it to the feckless and lazy individuals who couldn't be bothered to do all that.

Whereas people who would never vote Tory tend to believe that life stacks the cards against the poor and disadvantaged, that it's very difficult to escape from the bottom rungs of society no matter how hard you try, and that those with the privilege of having more resources and opportunities need to be compelled to share that good fortune with those who don't.

The ironic thing is, believing success comes from "luck" is actually damaging, even if there's a fair amount of truth to it. The harder (and smarter) you work, the luckier you get.

Even if success is a lottery, the people who believe "working hard" works will be the ones with the most tickets.

Teaching you children socialist ideology could actually stop them from doing well. Even if it's partially true.

Giraffesandbottoms · 22/04/2022 09:53

Tbh all of the parties are full of clowns. It’s a complete shitshow.

Giraffesandbottoms · 22/04/2022 09:54

that those with the privilege of having more resources and opportunities need to be compelled to share that good fortune with those who don't

but I would say giving away half of your earnings is sharing your good fortune.

falloutcheer · 22/04/2022 09:56

The “woman” issue is honestly and truly so absent in my voting motivation in favour of the tories, it is actually difficult to find the words!

MorrisZapp · 22/04/2022 09:56

Are there really enough self interested business owners in the country to keep a party in power for four terms?

All their voters can't be rich gits, the entire point of 'the many and the few' is that there are many of the many, and few of the few. That doesn't return landslide victories does it.

MarshaBradyo · 22/04/2022 09:57

sst1234 · 22/04/2022 09:51

Your last (unoriginal) sentence is often said with glee as though it’s really big and clever to point this out sarcastically. Do you think that knowing a woman isn’t important? Do you think it’s so trivial that we should support Labour who are gaslighting half the population about something as fundamental as what a woman is.

It is odd that so many repeat this phrase with sarcasm so gleefully.

falloutcheer · 22/04/2022 09:58

Lots of non Tory voters giving the reasons why people vote tories 😂

Pyewhacket · 22/04/2022 09:58

Waxonwaxoff0 · 22/04/2022 09:26

I don't vote Tory but they're probably a good choice if you're wealthy, they look after the rich.

Does that include the Red Wall or the millions who now own their own home ?..
They've of course elected two female leaders who went on to become Prime Ministers, one of whom was a grocers daughter.

SIR Kier Starmer is said to be worth £7.7m, which is £6.3m more than Boris !!!!. And Tony Blair, the war criminal , had been trousering £millions.

Personally I don't move in restricted, political straight jacket, blindly dogmatic circles and am happy to talk to friends who vote all colours.

To my mind the labour Party is a culture of hate, the nasty party : the celebration of personal abuse and mediocrity. As George Orwell once said, "
In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution".

godmum56 · 22/04/2022 09:59

OP. asking for opinions is fine but you should be doing proper research....look at manifestos and history, don't only look at at the party's and individuals' statementsa but look at what they have actaully done and whether you agree with it. Also is this about your relationship with your husband or who you will vote for?

Haggisfish3 · 22/04/2022 09:59

I am a floating voter. I have previously voted Tory because I agreed with some of their principles-I do believe people should work and contribute in taxes etc if able to, some of their work in education has actually been pretty well done (compulsory sex, relationships and health education as an example), I liked their focus on apprenticeships and job opportunities and my local mp (at the time) was pretty visible and doing quite a good job locally. I was then appalled at some of their actions at a national level and I wouldn’t vote for them again.

CounsellorTroi · 22/04/2022 10:00

MarshaBradyo · 22/04/2022 09:57

It is odd that so many repeat this phrase with sarcasm so gleefully.

It’s not glee. More like despair.

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