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Oh do piss off, Harry

543 replies

HettySunshine · 20/04/2022 11:34

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/20/prince-harry-says-queen-on-great-form-during-visit?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

The Queen has coped for most of her life without you. I don't think she needs you 'protecting her' now.

I'm usually entire ambivalent to the royals but this has really bruised my cherry!

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Why2why · 20/04/2022 22:18

the80sweregreat · 20/04/2022 22:01

@LittleBearPad

He’s a prat
He is !

The interesting thing is that most of the rest of the world thinks other members of the Royal Family are the prats.

The reality is that Harry is doing very well. Only certain sections of the British public and the Carnival of Royal experts seem to have a problem with him.

Blossomtoes · 20/04/2022 22:20

He left the UK and he does not rely on taxpayers money.

His financial arrangements are irrelevant. He wanted a different life and now he’s got it. He needs to pipe down and crack on with it.

MuchuseasaChocolateTeapot · 20/04/2022 22:21

Does a lot of work for charidee, doesn’t like to talk about it though…

Mayorquimby2 · 20/04/2022 22:24

"They should ship him off to Ukraine and see how he gets on ."

Isn't he one of the only ones who actually served?

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 20/04/2022 22:25

Chilledchablis1 · 20/04/2022 11:41

x2boys · 20/04/2022 11:38
“So ambivalent that you started yet another we hate Harry and Meghan thread ?
Wether you like it or not he is her Grandson,it's not out of the ordinary,he might want to protect his 96 year old frail Grandmother.”

I have already asked this on another thread but no one has replied !
what is H actually doing to make sure she is protected ( as he said in the interview)?

Also criticism does not equal hate !

Oh God, not "hate" again, are we still in the playground or the zoo? Are we 12? Are we Heathers?

friendlycat · 20/04/2022 22:43

He just really isn’t very bright at all. No problem he goes to visit his Grandmother when he’s in Europe.

But instead of just saying it was lovely to see her and they had a nice catch up, he has to come out with twaddle that just makes him look and sound very stupid. The hypocrisy, as is now normal with PH, is ridiculous.

But then he needs to give out these silly sound bites to keep Netflix and the American market happy. It’s all very sad and the longer this goes on, with each new episode of the H & M show the more he is ridiculed.

He really is clueless.

WinnieTheW0rm · 20/04/2022 22:46

Mayorquimby2 · 20/04/2022 22:24

"They should ship him off to Ukraine and see how he gets on ."

Isn't he one of the only ones who actually served?

Yes, Princes Philip, Andrew and Harry in active operations, William as far as they would let him (which was somewhat more than permitted for his father, but still less then those three) and of course the Queen, when Princess Elizabeth, served on the ATS where she reputedly learned to strip down a 4 ton truck

FloraPostePosts · 20/04/2022 22:50

the80sweregreat · 20/04/2022 22:09

I've just had a rant that they should all just go away ! Dh is bemused , but I'm sick of hearing about any of them ; it's all such first world problems from pampered pooches !
They should ship him off to Ukraine and see how he gets on . I wished

Hey, here’s an idea: try not reading about, watching, listening to, or commenting on what they do! I know, radical, eh? But honestly, it’s not compulsory! Nobody will mind if you just pretend they don’t exist! Sounds like it would be great for your blood pressure, and the world won’t end, so it’s a win-win as far as I can see.

Oh, and he’d probably be quite useful in an allied force in Ukraine, being a trained and experienced soldier, and having actually served in combat in the Middle East.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 20/04/2022 22:51

Pottedpalm · 20/04/2022 13:42

He’s a twit.
and why did Meghan speak at the opening of the games? Is she a patron?
Can’t bear to listen to Harry spouting off about ‘your truth’.

This is what has annoyed me. It's like Carrie muscling in with Boris Johnson. They're their wives, not partners in running the country or the Invictus Games. They should have had the sense to realise that Meghan would prove a distraction and get the press riled up to write God knows what. She even introduced him as if she was MC for the day or something. I'm very puzzled.

JudgeJ · 20/04/2022 23:04

GladAllOver · 20/04/2022 13:11

I just wish the press would stop giving him space. The gutter press I can understand, but the Guardian?

And the Guardian isn't the same as the gutter press? Maybe they're in the right gutter so it's OK, or rather in the left gutter. The Guardian is as reliable as the Mail, their rhetoric just suits more people's agenda.

Off piste, but I don't like the new layout, I can't load 100 messages in one go and it's annoying!

VeganGod · 20/04/2022 23:09

Off piste, but I don't like the new layout, I can't load 100 messages in one go and it's annoying!

You can customise it to show 100 posts per page if you click on the down arrow near the top of the page.

Reigateforever · 20/04/2022 23:21

It was a secret visit only blown when they went walkabout.
If Harry was so concerned about his grandmother’s health why didn’t he let her see her great grandchildren in the flesh.

Dundonian · 20/04/2022 23:56

When are H & M going to go away and live that peaceful life they claimed to crave? I'm so sick of their lies. And now he wants to make sure Granny has the right people around her, to protect her. Aren't her beloved children, son & daughters in law, grandkids & great grandkids, plus her loyal and long serving staff, quite enough??
I loathe the miserable Markles.

HoppingPavlova · 21/04/2022 00:31

He has every right to talk about his family when their actions have affected him. They have every right not to be ok with that.

He does have every right. Although a person with a touch of emotional sense wouldn’t choose to time this with their grandfathers ill health and likely demise. They wouldn’t choose to burden either their grandfather or grandmother with this extra load at that particular time. To have money and the chance of media fame take precedence in that situation is pretty poor. Common sense says you wouldn’t have to wait that long if you want to blab your thoughts to the world, a few years at most from the point he did so and is what someone would have done if wanting to protect their grandparents.

RonaldMcDonald · 21/04/2022 00:57

Franklin12 · 20/04/2022 21:39

I never took to Markle. Very hard faced and saw her opportunity to spout off her views and we would all fawn around after her.

The interview was a disgrace and to now swan in saying he is checking on her protection is insulting to the Queen. They are massively self absorbed and I wish they would go quietly - but they won’t will they!

Hard faced, the Duchess of Sussex hard faced.
that is a stretch of any

RonaldMcDonald · 21/04/2022 01:26

I’ve been considering this today - probably because it feels eerily similar to my home situation
I have an elderly grandmother - of similar age to HMQ.
My family look after her. It is a considerable undertaking. It also has lasted longer and was more substantial than expected - by at least 5 yrs
Granny was given the Last Rites almost 6 yrs ago.
My aunt and mum fight like cat and cat about everything from DNRs to who will end up in the grave beside my grandparents. It is fuelled by underlying panic and bitterness but they are also opposed to each other on many things.
My cousin S tries to make my grandmother’s voice heard in the midst of this. My gm feels she is a burden and often expresses she wishes she were dead.
My mum and aunt will not listen to a word of her distress or modulate their behaviour around her as they have some road they are determined to March down no matter.
A student Dr reported my Aunt for her behaviour to Social Service - she is very shouty and abrupt. She was worried for my grandmother.

Now I’m not suggesting Charles and William are shouting etc but perhaps they have lost the run of themselves. Perhaps their fear or worries are ruling them.
Prince Philip died and HMQ got Covid. She also lost some of her longest standing advisers and has moved home and vastly reduced her role.
Suggesting she wanted someone outside that bubble to confide in doesn’t seem awful.
Harry’s suggesting he wanted her majesty to be well advised and safe is also reasonable.

They are still a family.
With competing interests, grief, end of life - all of this to understand, cope and grapple with individually and where possible together and as a support for each other.

I think the end of HMQ’s reign will weigh heavily on her mind. She will want loose ends tied up.
She will want everyone to be playing nicely together and she will wish to be able to foresee the extension of the BRF for upcoming decades.
Gaining Harry’s buy in, may help her - if only in finding a way of uniting Charles and William against him.

I can also honestly say that the things said on the Boards about the Duchess of Sussex are utterly disgusting and completely uncalled for. I cannot imagine being able to give myself permission to write about another woman like this.

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 01:39

HoppingPavlova · 21/04/2022 00:31

He has every right to talk about his family when their actions have affected him. They have every right not to be ok with that.

He does have every right. Although a person with a touch of emotional sense wouldn’t choose to time this with their grandfathers ill health and likely demise. They wouldn’t choose to burden either their grandfather or grandmother with this extra load at that particular time. To have money and the chance of media fame take precedence in that situation is pretty poor. Common sense says you wouldn’t have to wait that long if you want to blab your thoughts to the world, a few years at most from the point he did so and is what someone would have done if wanting to protect their grandparents.

The Queen seems to have not shown a touch of emotional sense throughout her life, neither did her husband. The well documented coldness to her children growing up, sending their child to a school he was utterly miserable at, her lack of response to Diana’s death, allowing her grandchildren to walk behind their mothers coffin etc. The common sense you expect Harry to have, was apparently running short amongst the RF when they made that decision before the funeral. Yet Harry must pause his life and think of others, he must be the one to show emotional and common sense? That seems awfully one sided and hypocritical.

There’s only one member of the RF that has been a real burden lately and that’s Andrew. And our Queen seems to have forgiven him for dreadful things so I think she’ll be fine with Harry just saying a few things on TV. If only Andrews crime was just talking about his family, instead of abusing underage girls and mixing with sexual abusers.

HoppingPavlova · 21/04/2022 02:48

Yet Harry must pause his life and think of others, he must be the one to show emotional and common sense? That seems awfully one sided and hypocritical.

Well, yes. Because he has spent endless time banging on to anyone who will listen about his therapy, the benefits and he is a great proponent and everyone should jump in due to the huge benefits he has gained. So, I would have thought all of this therapy would have closed that gap somewhat and given him some emotional sense (given his claim of the benefits). Maybe this therapy hasn’t worked as well as he has claimed?

Swayingpalmtrees · 21/04/2022 06:44

I think you are very much 'projecting' ronald your situation is nothing like that of the Queen and Royal family.

The reason Harry and Meghan have been criticised so much is that they choose to attack their own family on a global stage and call them all sorts of names whilst Prince Philip lay dying. It starts and ends with that.

No decent, caring person would ever have chosen that moment to hurt their family in such a public way when they were just about to lose Prince Philip, and H&M knew he was dying and didn't care. You can't come back from such spite and nastiness. The issue is not that many on MN are expressing absolute horror in the way that H&M have behaved, and traded their own families for money to the highest bidder. That is the issue. The betrayal, the callousness and calculated attacks will never be forgotten by most of the British public. Most of us hope we will never see them again. They should stay in the states peddling their ageing and increasingly irrelevant royal connections until the money taps run out and they sink into obscurity.

RibbonofMist · 21/04/2022 07:31

The whole situation is just so bizarre to me. A major gripe of Harry and Meghan is 'media disinformation' particularly regarding the two of them. They complain about incessant negative coverage and interest.

Yet time and time again they hold red rags to the bull. They pull the tigers tail. The Oprah interview (whilst Philip was dying) and now this latest one. The words come out of their own mouths. Words and comments that any rational person would realise would be considered at best, veiled insults to his family.

Why not say, I met with the Queen and my father and it was lovely to catch up after so much time. Include a few safe anecdotes.

The words around Diana must have been so hurtful to William. Can you ever imagine William saying something like that. Harry basically insinuated Diana, in spirit form, had moved on from helping William and was now in his court. Crass beyond belief, taking 'ownership' of the memory of a deceased parent. He knows this stuff would make headlines, lead to endless speculation as to what he means. He brings it completely on himself.

At first I wondered if this was Meghan's influence as this marked change in his public personality coincided with his meeting and marriage to her. I now think we are just seeing the real Harry, warts and all.

DesidaCrick · 21/04/2022 07:37

Really who cares about the royals? They are irrelevant in the modern world

Swayingpalmtrees · 21/04/2022 08:20

I agree Harry and Meghan are totally irrelevant in the modern world.

I think in the UK there is still a place for a very slimmed down monarchy to represent the UK and the Commonwealth, but only if they are able to display the values of the nation, it really is dependent on getting rid of Andrew and the hangers on, and the toxics like Harry and Meghan.
If they can shrug off the harmful members, then they have a bright future. PC would make an excellent King in my view, I especially admire about his life long commitment to the environment.

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 08:29

HoppingPavlova · 21/04/2022 02:48

Yet Harry must pause his life and think of others, he must be the one to show emotional and common sense? That seems awfully one sided and hypocritical.

Well, yes. Because he has spent endless time banging on to anyone who will listen about his therapy, the benefits and he is a great proponent and everyone should jump in due to the huge benefits he has gained. So, I would have thought all of this therapy would have closed that gap somewhat and given him some emotional sense (given his claim of the benefits). Maybe this therapy hasn’t worked as well as he has claimed?

He hasn’t actually spent endless time banging on about anything. As I said before we’ve got a
few hours of footage of them in years, a tiny percent of his life. And only some of that is Harry talking about family issues and therapy. So not much at all really.

As for the therapy, he has encouraged others to seek help if they’ve got through trauma. Therapy can make you feel like you can actually talk about your mental health after previously not being able to, therapy isn’t about getting you to deal with it silently. The benefit, as Harry sees it, has been that he can talk about things, see what is wrong and change that in the future in his own relationships. I believe that’s a good thing. Emotional sense to you is shutting up because granny is getting old. To say that therapy hasn’t worked because he’s talking about it too much is nothing short of ridiculous. I would imagine, Harrys therapy is an ongoing process. I would also imagine suffering the loss of his mother whilst living in the RF with their lack of emotion was very damaging. But only he will know that, there are certainly indicators of that being the case from things he’s said. It we don’t know him.

I really hate this thinking that people should shut up for the benefit of others even if it’s to the detriment of themselves. In my childhood, my mother left my father after years of abuse for us all. Me and sibling had to stay with a friend. My father threatened to burn the house down where we were staying, with us his children in it, unless my mother returned to him. All very traumatic for me aged 11. My mother returned with us and played happy families, we were to never mention it again. Years later, as an adult, I had therapy to deal with this and other aspects of an abusive childhood. I started to tell people, for the first time ever about what I’d gone through, family and friends and others that believed my father was a good man. For me, there’s a sense of wanting people to know the truth, and a wish that anyone going through similar would get the help that I found so helpful. The relief in not having to keep it to myself was huge. My mothers response, my mother that had been abused for years....’why are you telling people my business, what will people think of me’. It wasn’t only her business, it was my business, it affected me. She came up with every reason as to why it wasn’t the right time to tell anyone. Some family members sided with her, I should be quiet and stop causing trouble, accept what happened, move on, ‘if you’re so happy now, why are you going on about something from almost 20 years ago?’ my mother asked. ‘You can’t actually be happy as you wouldn’t be doing this, you’d get on with your life’. Similar to what posters here are saying and I think it’s awful.

Maybe he’s happy, maybe he’s not. Maybe he’s nice, maybe he’s not. But to base it on so little footage, a few comments, is ridiculous. The vast majority of the time, we don’t see him. There’s no right way to live your life, as long as you’re not breaking the law. He’s said a big problem was British media, and he’s moved away from them. He never took a vow of silence or said he’d never be seen again. The hatred toward him by certain posters is nothing short of weird. They seem to think they know him.

JingsMahBucket · 21/04/2022 08:34

Blossomtoes · 20/04/2022 22:20

He left the UK and he does not rely on taxpayers money.

His financial arrangements are irrelevant. He wanted a different life and now he’s got it. He needs to pipe down and crack on with it.

But… why though? Why should he or they shut up? Why do you want to silence them?

SockFluffInTheBath · 21/04/2022 08:38

JingsMahBucket · 21/04/2022 08:34

But… why though? Why should he or they shut up? Why do you want to silence them?

Maybe because his life is incredibly privileged yet all he does is carp about how he’s hard done by. Says he wants his privacy but relentlessly courts favoured sections of the media.