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AdriftAbroad1 · 20/04/2022 20:53

Correct. NPD is very rare, the poster said narcissist, not NPD.

Bjarnum · 20/04/2022 20:57

Apparently there are things the queen can only talk to him about - no-one else will do.

Nanny0gg · 20/04/2022 21:02

VeganGod · 20/04/2022 17:28

You don’t need to be a psychiatrist to know that your relationship with your parents affects you. Charles will not have been immune to that and it often has a knock on effect....until you realise and you choose to try to break the cycle like Harry says he has.

Prince Charles wasn’t openly showed love. There’s plenty to say his childhood was lonely and miserable. It’s documented that he barely saw his parents, the Queen was emotionally distant to him and that his father was a bully. Charles cooperated in the writing of a book that said these things, amongst others, I just don’t remember the details. Is this abuse? I think so. Ignoring your children’s unhappiness, not showing love, letting his father bully him...all very damaging.

Maybe he had no recollection of a bike ride as it didn’t happen often. Maybe he went on bike rides with his father every day and he lied. We don’t know. Not remembering something as a child doesn’t mean he’s lying and if you only did things very rarely, you may forget them.

If the Queen wanted to not have her cold parenting discussed, then she should have been a better, kinder parent. As you say, some people are more emotional than others, you think Harry should accept that, the other side of that is that they have to accept Harry is a man that talks about emotions and mental health and the things that have affected him. The Queen being elderly doesn’t mean that Harry should not mention anything that may impact her. She was younger when she was that mother choosing to be emotionally distant from her child and letting her husband bully him. Should people be excused from things they’ve done wrong just because they’re getting on a bit? I don’t think so.

I’m protective of many people in my life, that’s not the same as me never saying something that may upset one of them if I feel it needs saying. To Harry, he obviously feels that this is important to talk about. I read that he didn’t want to point blame and his concern was in breaking the cycle so that his own children didn’t suffer. Good for him.

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I think it is sometimes forgotten that when the Queen had Charles and Anne she was a mother who was a product of her role and class and Charles was heir and treated accordingly
When she had her 'second family', Andrew and Edward, times had changed and she was seemingly far more 'motherly' with them

DressingGownofDoom · 20/04/2022 21:09

'It’s him I don’t like - not his wife. His wife made herself, she worked, networked and studied.

she dropped her family because he insisted on it - it was Harry the man child full of rage that her father had spoken to the press. '

They have both isolated each other from their families as far as I can see. Well, Meghan still has her mum at least.

Mummyoflittledragon · 20/04/2022 21:14

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/04/2022 19:53

Mummyoflittledragon according to the transcript, Hoda asked one question about Invictus and then moved on to more personal matters, as any fool might have expected. TBF Harry did mention it again later, but only when he wanted to dodge a question as to whether or not he missed his father and brother

Thanks for the heads up. Am going to read it now.

ancientgran · 20/04/2022 21:16

VeganGod · 20/04/2022 17:28

You don’t need to be a psychiatrist to know that your relationship with your parents affects you. Charles will not have been immune to that and it often has a knock on effect....until you realise and you choose to try to break the cycle like Harry says he has.

Prince Charles wasn’t openly showed love. There’s plenty to say his childhood was lonely and miserable. It’s documented that he barely saw his parents, the Queen was emotionally distant to him and that his father was a bully. Charles cooperated in the writing of a book that said these things, amongst others, I just don’t remember the details. Is this abuse? I think so. Ignoring your children’s unhappiness, not showing love, letting his father bully him...all very damaging.

Maybe he had no recollection of a bike ride as it didn’t happen often. Maybe he went on bike rides with his father every day and he lied. We don’t know. Not remembering something as a child doesn’t mean he’s lying and if you only did things very rarely, you may forget them.

If the Queen wanted to not have her cold parenting discussed, then she should have been a better, kinder parent. As you say, some people are more emotional than others, you think Harry should accept that, the other side of that is that they have to accept Harry is a man that talks about emotions and mental health and the things that have affected him. The Queen being elderly doesn’t mean that Harry should not mention anything that may impact her. She was younger when she was that mother choosing to be emotionally distant from her child and letting her husband bully him. Should people be excused from things they’ve done wrong just because they’re getting on a bit? I don’t think so.

I’m protective of many people in my life, that’s not the same as me never saying something that may upset one of them if I feel it needs saying. To Harry, he obviously feels that this is important to talk about. I read that he didn’t want to point blame and his concern was in breaking the cycle so that his own children didn’t suffer. Good for him.

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You don’t need to be a psychiatrist to know that your relationship with your parents affects you He was talking about his father's relationship with his parents, Harry's grandparents so not the same at all. As I said he wasn't there when Charles was a child.

Prince Charles wasn’t openly showed love. You were with him 24/7 throughout his childhood then?

None of the rest of it has anything to do with what you originally said, you said he hadn't done anything to the Queen. He had, he rubbished her as a mother to millions, maybe billions of people. Not the act of a loving person, not the act of someone with any thought for other people's feelings. I wonder how he would feel if someone did an interview saying he is doing it all wrong with his children? I don't think he'd be happy do you?

He can talk about how he feels, he has no right to talk about how his father, or brother for that matter, feels without their permission. He expects people to respect his privacy but he respects no one else's privacy.

paddingtonstares · 20/04/2022 21:26

Arrogant little prick. Ok, not happy with his family, so has buggered off gone to live abroad. Fine. No problem. Crack on, disappear from public life live that life.

But no he wants the riches, privledged lifestyle but then to slag off his family, then rock up to see his DGM and then make passive aggressive comments about making sure she is protected, If he had made a quiet private visit he would have regained some respect instead shows he is a thick dimwit.
If he had been plain old Harry Windsor from the Nelson Mandela Estate, member of the local disfunctional criminal family at best he would be collecting trolleys in Asda car park. Maybe someone needs to point this out to him. His birthright ensured a life of priveledge someone with his intellect born 'ordinary' could not aspire to.

the80sweregreat · 20/04/2022 21:31

I admit that he is winding me up more than Phillip Schofield, Holly Willoughby , Steve Wright and all the others in the celeb circle that I'm not that keen on
If I see his ginger beard on the news I have to mute it or turn it over

VeganGod · 20/04/2022 21:33

I think it is sometimes forgotten that when the Queen had Charles and Anne she was a mother who was a product of her role and class and Charles was heir and treated accordingly
When she had her 'second family', Andrew and Edward, times had changed and she was seemingly far more 'motherly' with them

I understand that, but the effects of the cold treatment on young children are still there regardless of the reasons for the treatment.

No doubt Harry can see that the Queen brought her children up in very different times with a lot pressure on her. He did say he’s not looking to blame, just to break the cycle. I think that’s understandable.

Why2why · 20/04/2022 21:36

What exactly do you know about this family, the true nature of their relationships, and what they talk about?

NOTHING.

All these royal experts have fooled the public in thinking they have intimate knowledge and insights about that fairly dysfunctional family.

Truth is no one knows. The British public gave this strange attitude in thinking they own these people and know about these people more than these people known themselves.

The Queen is Harry’s grandmother. Let that sink in. His grandmother mother. Her love for him is not dictated by public opinion and she showed the British public that she really does not care what they think. That’s why she openly and publicly walked with her son Prince Andrew.

Franklin12 · 20/04/2022 21:39

I never took to Markle. Very hard faced and saw her opportunity to spout off her views and we would all fawn around after her.

The interview was a disgrace and to now swan in saying he is checking on her protection is insulting to the Queen. They are massively self absorbed and I wish they would go quietly - but they won’t will they!

Blossomtoes · 20/04/2022 21:41

VeganGod · 20/04/2022 19:32

No, he didn’t say confidante. And you’re right, it’s a very big difference. Doesn’t suit the narrative though, so they’ll say it’s the same or try to breeze over it.

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It’s the same. What do you think confidante means?

the80sweregreat · 20/04/2022 21:46

The Queen is very protected very well ( I know there was a time when someone got into her room, but that was once in 96 years and it didn't ever happen again !)
I'm sure he only said all this because it looks good on Netflix and on their show ( or wherever he is doing atm)
He is a complete mess up I think and I hope they stay away from the platinum celebrations too.
He isn't as bad as Prince Andrew, but they are just exploiting his 'connections ' and it's all very odd.

vipersputpaidtomylastusername · 20/04/2022 21:49

Awful, awful couple.
Just stop using your connections and disappear......

Hawkins001 · 20/04/2022 21:50

HettySunshine · 20/04/2022 11:34

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/20/prince-harry-says-queen-on-great-form-during-visit?CMP=Share iOSAppp_Other

The Queen has coped for most of her life without you. I don't think she needs you 'protecting her' now.

I'm usually entire ambivalent to the royals but this has really bruised my cherry!

AIBU?

After reading various books and e.g. The philosophy of Machiavelli, etc, there's always more to events than meets the eye.

the80sweregreat · 20/04/2022 21:53

It's Just my opinion, but I think the Queen is really poorly and he is just manipulating it because he feels guilty.

BeerLoas · 20/04/2022 21:54

Whenever I hear either of them wittering on about protection I just think of Kevin Costner in Bodyguard.

the80sweregreat · 20/04/2022 21:55

@BeerLoas

Whenever I hear either of them wittering on about protection I just think of Kevin Costner in Bodyguard.

Yes! They seem obsessed by it Maybe it's an American thing ? Or just the cost of it !

LittleBearPad · 20/04/2022 21:55

He’s a prat

VeganGod · 20/04/2022 21:57

He was talking about his father's relationship with his parents, Harry's grandparents so not the same at all. As I said he wasn't there when Charles was a child.

How Charles was treated as a child, would be very likely to affect how he was as a parent to Harry. Harry says he wanted to break that cycle with his kids. I’m not sure what’s difficult to understand.
There’s a book, approved by Charles that details his childhood. Miserable, lonely, emotionally distant parents and a bully as a father.

He hasn’t rubbished the Queen, he’s talked about his experience of what affected him and his hopes for his own parenting.

If Harry does things so damaging to his own children that has a knock on affect to his grandchildren, he’ll have to suck it up if they choose to talk about it. Hopefully he’s a good and emotionally available parent and that won’t happen.

He has every right to talk about his family when their actions have affected him. They have every right not to be ok with that.

You can’t tell people what they can talk about. 🤷🏻‍♀️

the80sweregreat · 20/04/2022 22:00

@LittleBearPad

He’s a prat

He really is )

the80sweregreat · 20/04/2022 22:01

@LittleBearPad

He’s a prat

He is !

the80sweregreat · 20/04/2022 22:09

I've just had a rant that they should all just go away ! Dh is bemused , but I'm sick of hearing about any of them ; it's all such first world problems from pampered pooches !
They should ship him off to Ukraine and see how he gets on . I wished

Why2why · 20/04/2022 22:13

the80sweregreat · 20/04/2022 22:09

I've just had a rant that they should all just go away ! Dh is bemused , but I'm sick of hearing about any of them ; it's all such first world problems from pampered pooches !
They should ship him off to Ukraine and see how he gets on . I wished

Ship who? Harry? Did you not get the memo? He left the UK and he does not rely on taxpayers money. Andrew and the other benefit claimants do.

AuntieMeemz · 20/04/2022 22:17

I agree with you OP- he drives me up the wall when he says things like he did!