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Oh do piss off, Harry

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HettySunshine · 20/04/2022 11:34

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/20/prince-harry-says-queen-on-great-form-during-visit?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

The Queen has coped for most of her life without you. I don't think she needs you 'protecting her' now.

I'm usually entire ambivalent to the royals but this has really bruised my cherry!

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wordler · 21/04/2022 20:14

JudgeJ · 20/04/2022 23:04

And the Guardian isn't the same as the gutter press? Maybe they're in the right gutter so it's OK, or rather in the left gutter. The Guardian is as reliable as the Mail, their rhetoric just suits more people's agenda.

Off piste, but I don't like the new layout, I can't load 100 messages in one go and it's annoying!

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The Guardian and The Independent are pro-republican papers so they often report on the royal family from an anti-monarchy place.

MissPolliezDolly · 21/04/2022 20:16

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 19:41

Speculating on the skin colour of a child with one black and one white parent is not the same as speculating on hair colour. No doubt you’ll have a black ‘friend’ who is fine with it. 🙄 😡

And Meghan said there were ‘concerns’ about how dark his skin would be. Having concerns is a negative thing, not excitedly discussing what he’ll look like.

We’re a mixed race family and we comment on the possible colour of everything about any baby we’re waiting on.

And if Meghan told me today is Thursday I’d check to see if it is. Not that I’ve always thought she’s a liar. But I now do and I don’t believe for a minute that anyone had concern over how dark the baby would be.

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 20:17

But then Meghan wasn’t part of the conversation was she? Nor can they decide between themselves when it was - early stages of relationship, during pregnancy. Who knows.

I don’t thing Oprah’s main concern was pinpointing exactly when it was, the important thing is that it was said at all. If you choose to believe it didn’t happen, that’s one thing, none of us were there so can’t prove it. But anyone on here stating ‘concerns’ over skin colour are ok, normal and not racist are very wrong.

Soffit · 21/04/2022 20:20

The only member of the current royal family to have done anything racist in living memory is Harry himself when he dressed up as a Nazi. It never just happened on a whim. Some planning would have gone into it. He must have had the right sort of 'attitude' to pull it off among his friends. He probably wishes that it had never got out but he has never apologized for it. Probably induced by the trauma inflicted upon him by his birth family 😁

wordler · 21/04/2022 20:23

Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/04/2022 18:10

He wanted to stay a working royal, just not do the bits he didn't fancy and make money on the side

That's the fly in the ointment that's always conveniently ignored isn't it? Especially when Harry himself said that what they'd wanted "hadn't been possible"

Had they said "Look, we simply can't live his life so we're going" that might have been one thing, but I've yet to see anyone explain why they were so keen to stay half in/half out if the situation was as appalling and racist as they've since tried to paint it

Exactly - the media ran with this weird 'privacy' line which everyone now keeps repeating as if that meant they didn't want any publicity at all. The website they launched in Jan 2020 when they announced they were stepping down as working royals in the BRF laid out that they wanted a half-in half out option where they would work for themselves making money with commercial ventures for part of the time and then for part of the year they would support the Queen by doing royal duties such as international visits and tours etc and any patronage work. They explained that they were giving up the royal grant money which comes from the government which funded 5% of their current budget.

Based on Harry's anger on the Oprah interview about his father 'cutting him off'
he fully expected to continue to receive the remaining 95% he was currently getting from Charles' Duchy of Cornwall funds. We don't know exactly how much that was because Charles' accounts lumped Harry and William's households together but assuming William got a little more at that time because he had three kids vs Harry's one it was probably around the 2 million pound mark.

But with their original plan there was no intention to step away from the limelight - they just wanted to be able to control more of who was doing the interview / filming etc. Their commercial plans would always have relied on a lot of publicity etc.

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 20:24

We’re a mixed race family and we comment on the possible colour of everything about any baby we’re waiting on.

Very different to a group of white people discussing their ‘concerns’ over skin colour. Do you feel ‘concerned’ that these babies will be too dark or too light skinned? Is there a skin colour that could in some way be wrong and ‘concerning’ to you on a baby you’re going to love. And maybe you wouldn’t have been offended and sad and felt awkward at a group of white people having those ‘concerns’ but Meghan and Harry did.

IcedPurple · 21/04/2022 20:29

And maybe you wouldn’t have been offended and sad and felt awkward at a group of white people having those ‘concerns’ but Meghan and Harry did.

So it's a 'group' of people now?

And, depending on which version of the story you choose to believe, Harry can't have been all that offended, since he didn't bother to tell his wife for months or even years.

Blossomtoes · 21/04/2022 20:30

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 20:24

We’re a mixed race family and we comment on the possible colour of everything about any baby we’re waiting on.

Very different to a group of white people discussing their ‘concerns’ over skin colour. Do you feel ‘concerned’ that these babies will be too dark or too light skinned? Is there a skin colour that could in some way be wrong and ‘concerning’ to you on a baby you’re going to love. And maybe you wouldn’t have been offended and sad and felt awkward at a group of white people having those ‘concerns’ but Meghan and Harry did.

Or just made the whole thing up. If it was true they’d say who it was. Odd that the only time they exhibit any discretion is about something one of them didn’t even hear.

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 20:33

Fine to say it didn’t happen, none of us know. I choose to believe them, others don’t have to.

Butfirstcoffees · 21/04/2022 20:35

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 19:12

Confused Just because someone else in the family made a racist comment, doesn’t mean the Queen is racist. Does that really need explaining?

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The Royal Family isn't just any family though. And actually as a mixed race woman I absolutely expected my white grandparents to not accept racisim directed towards me in their home. By their own children or their staff (if they had them).

I don't believe it was a racist comment. However, I don't believe in that family you can claim that many of them were racist but then also pretend it's nothing to do with the Queen.

He also was angry and hurt that, as they saw it, no protected them against the press.

I dont think they should blame the Queen. I dont think you can say 'we were the victims of the RF.....but the Queen is great and is lovely and always supported us'

x2boys · 21/04/2022 20:41

Soffit · 21/04/2022 20:20

The only member of the current royal family to have done anything racist in living memory is Harry himself when he dressed up as a Nazi. It never just happened on a whim. Some planning would have gone into it. He must have had the right sort of 'attitude' to pull it off among his friends. He probably wishes that it had never got out but he has never apologized for it. Probably induced by the trauma inflicted upon him by his birth family 😁

I think you will find Prince Philip wasent averse to a bit of casual racism
Didn't he once say something about "slitty eyes"?

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 20:42

IcedPurple · 21/04/2022 20:29

And maybe you wouldn’t have been offended and sad and felt awkward at a group of white people having those ‘concerns’ but Meghan and Harry did.

So it's a 'group' of people now?

And, depending on which version of the story you choose to believe, Harry can't have been all that offended, since he didn't bother to tell his wife for months or even years.

My mistake, I said group. But a conversation with even 1 person that has ‘concerns’ is unacceptable. Or is it ok if its just 1 person that’s racist? I prefer a zero tolerance policy.

IcedPurple · 21/04/2022 20:46

My mistake, I said group. But a conversation with even 1 person that has ‘concerns’ is unacceptable. Or is it ok if its just 1 person that’s racist? I prefer a zero tolerance policy.

And I prefer not to automatically believe a rather muddled and contradictory story from two individuals who have shown themselves to be unreliable narrators, to say the least.

Which version of the story do you 'choose' to believe?

MissPolliezDolly · 21/04/2022 20:49

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 20:17

But then Meghan wasn’t part of the conversation was she? Nor can they decide between themselves when it was - early stages of relationship, during pregnancy. Who knows.

I don’t thing Oprah’s main concern was pinpointing exactly when it was, the important thing is that it was said at all. If you choose to believe it didn’t happen, that’s one thing, none of us were there so can’t prove it. But anyone on here stating ‘concerns’ over skin colour are ok, normal and not racist are very wrong.

I agree that these conversations can be ugly. But I honestly don’t believe that in this instance it was. I think Meghan knew exactly what she was doing when she made her claim and the more time goes on the more Harry and Meghan will discredit themselves.

I was very much for them when they got together but not anymore.

Blossomtoes · 21/04/2022 20:50

IcedPurple · 21/04/2022 20:46

My mistake, I said group. But a conversation with even 1 person that has ‘concerns’ is unacceptable. Or is it ok if its just 1 person that’s racist? I prefer a zero tolerance policy.

And I prefer not to automatically believe a rather muddled and contradictory story from two individuals who have shown themselves to be unreliable narrators, to say the least.

Which version of the story do you 'choose' to believe?

I haven’t even chosen not to believe it. It lacks credibility as far as I’m concerned. Harry looked really shifty when he was asked about it. If they said who it was I might question that it could possibly be the truth.

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 20:53

Butfirstcoffees · 21/04/2022 20:35

The Royal Family isn't just any family though. And actually as a mixed race woman I absolutely expected my white grandparents to not accept racisim directed towards me in their home. By their own children or their staff (if they had them).

I don't believe it was a racist comment. However, I don't believe in that family you can claim that many of them were racist but then also pretend it's nothing to do with the Queen.

He also was angry and hurt that, as they saw it, no protected them against the press.

I dont think they should blame the Queen. I dont think you can say 'we were the victims of the RF.....but the Queen is great and is lovely and always supported us'

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I agree that if this was my family, it would be everyone’s argument. In fact it was, some of my nieces and nephews have an Indian dad. There were some racist comments made many years ago about him and the kids. Those people making them were firmly told that it won’t be tolerated. Many of us stopped seeing the racist relatives when the comments continued.

Did it happen in the Queens home? I guess we don’t know if anyone in the family spoke up, it’s very bad if they didn’t. For me, not being racist isn’t enough, you would have to speak up. But we don’t know who said what.

VladmirsPoutine · 21/04/2022 20:53

Thank goodness there isn't a nonce running around in the royal family. There's only a half black woman who appears to not know her station being protected by her 'controlled' husband - what a wench!

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 20:55

IcedPurple · 21/04/2022 20:46

My mistake, I said group. But a conversation with even 1 person that has ‘concerns’ is unacceptable. Or is it ok if its just 1 person that’s racist? I prefer a zero tolerance policy.

And I prefer not to automatically believe a rather muddled and contradictory story from two individuals who have shown themselves to be unreliable narrators, to say the least.

Which version of the story do you 'choose' to believe?

I believe there were various conversations as Meghan said but one in particular that Harry was very offended by. I don’t believe that they would make up racism claims, but if you do that’s fine. We were not there after all.

profilehopper · 21/04/2022 20:57

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 20:33

Fine to say it didn’t happen, none of us know. I choose to believe them, others don’t have to.

So your baseing your believe the one member of the royal family with a proven track record of dressing like a Nazi, calling his work colleagues on camera as a rag head and little pa*I. Gone to rehab because of his drinking and drug use, got his teacher to lie on all his grades to pass his course, punch photographer s and father had to bring in security officers to ensure his behaviour did not escilate whilst abroad. I personally question your own abilities to judge people's honesty it's too easy for Harry to give unprovable claims, he did not even have the guts to name anyone, maybe because he knows it's just another blatant lie.

LittleBearPad · 21/04/2022 20:58

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 20:17

But then Meghan wasn’t part of the conversation was she? Nor can they decide between themselves when it was - early stages of relationship, during pregnancy. Who knows.

I don’t thing Oprah’s main concern was pinpointing exactly when it was, the important thing is that it was said at all. If you choose to believe it didn’t happen, that’s one thing, none of us were there so can’t prove it. But anyone on here stating ‘concerns’ over skin colour are ok, normal and not racist are very wrong.

No I don’t believe it happened as described on Oprah. I don’t believe anything they say.

Capri3 · 21/04/2022 21:00

Harry is on video footage where he called one of his fellow Sandhurst cadets “my Paki friend”, and another a “raghead”.

IcedPurple · 21/04/2022 21:03

I believe there were various conversations as Meghan said but one in particular that Harry was very offended by.

So 'offended' that he didn't bother to tell his wife about it for months if not years?

Wheniruletheworld · 21/04/2022 21:07

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 20/04/2022 12:44

It is good that he visited the Queen. If I were him, I wouldn't have done because I could not ever forgive her for encouraging Charles to use and abuse his mother to produce children whilst knowing that Charles had a mistress.

Use and abuse? Give over. Read your history books. All royal marriages are undertaken for political or dynastic reasons,. Love has nothing to do with it. Diana knew that, indeed, she had a greater pedigree than Charles, so went into marriage with eyes open

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 21:13

profilehopper · 21/04/2022 20:57

So your baseing your believe the one member of the royal family with a proven track record of dressing like a Nazi, calling his work colleagues on camera as a rag head and little pa*I. Gone to rehab because of his drinking and drug use, got his teacher to lie on all his grades to pass his course, punch photographer s and father had to bring in security officers to ensure his behaviour did not escilate whilst abroad. I personally question your own abilities to judge people's honesty it's too easy for Harry to give unprovable claims, he did not even have the guts to name anyone, maybe because he knows it's just another blatant lie.

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I’m basing it on a man that married a black woman who was going to have mixed race children saying it happened. I don’t believe they would lie about racist comments.

I’m not going to excuse Harry’s past behaviour. I wouldn’t like to be judged by behaviour when I was much younger though, although I did somehow manage not to use racist slurs. 😡 That’s never ok. I imagine Harry regrets acting like a nob and thinking he was funny of that it was ok to using racist language of be racist.

I don’t think Harry doing that, means that it’s ok for others to be racist though.

LetitiaLeghorn · 21/04/2022 21:13

Look you lot, cut Harry some slack. He's got a lot on his plate worrying that thinking about a better world is going to give him burnout. How the poor guy struggles getting from his multi million pound house to a luxury jet in his chauffeured limo whilst pondering how to deal with inequality and global warming is an example to us all.
He's doing a lot of worrying and thinking and wondering and pondering. His brain is hurting. And yet he still makes time to sell a bit of his granny on the telly. So let's give him some respect.