Oh do piss off, Harry

[HettySunshine]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/20/prince-harry-says-queen-on-great-form-during-visit?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

The Queen has coped for most of her life without you. I don't think she needs you 'protecting her' now.

I'm usually entire ambivalent to the royals but this has really bruised my cherry!

AIBU?

You know they downsizing how? Seriously the things you claim as ‘facts’ rarely are.
I’m still waiting for you to clarify when Buckingham Palace stated they didn’t tell Prince Philip about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex having an interview with Oprah.
It along with much you speak of simply never occurred. Yet you have made decisions based upon it.

You believe the Sussexes are not hugely wealthy. Do you also believe they will not receive money from the Wills of Prince Philip, HMQ and King Charles?
The are a family and a traditional one, especially where money is involved.

They may be in disagreement, some may hold hot feelings of anger toward them within the family but maybe not.
Maybe some accept that they could have offered more support or helped the Duke and the Duchess of Sussex in particular more, when baselessly attacked by the Royal Rota and gutter press.

We’ve seen them out with Princess Eugenie and visiting HMQ and potentially Prince Charles - maybe they are not quite the pariahs the press would have you imagine.

They are pariahs. Prince Charles and Camilla barely spoke to them, and the visit to the Queen was under half an hour.

It is well known they are selling their mansion. People have been viewing it discreetly. It is literally everywhere but here is a link:

www.btimesonline.com/articles/153575/20220206/prince-harry-reportedly-prefers-less-financial-responsibilities-smaller-home.htm

heatworld.com/celebrity/news/meghan-markle-prince-harry-selling-home/

I think that Willian was really well advised to give him a wide berth (he was definitely back doing engagements the next day).
Apparently, Netflix don't think the craic is $$ enough and they want more so Harry dropped by to generate a story line, Kardashian style. I'm not surprised that Charles left after five minutes. I am sure they were all delighted to see Meghan ..NOT!! She seems to have flown in for the storyline. It is not like she spent meaningful time at the Invictus Games supporting the participants. She got her PR done and flew back out. We all know the ones who use their kids as an excuse but they could obviously have come along if she wanted. That excuse wears thin after a dozens times!

I mean, when in the RF they have a relationship with the press.

I don’t think you can compare the Duke of Windsor abdicating almost 100 years ago to Harry’s situation in 2022. The press, the internet, totally different world. I’m sure if the internet existed back then, the Duke and Wallis have been appearing on the DM sidebar of shame regularly. Imagine mumsnet comments on that particular couple back then. 😂

Too funny, cant take it seriously.

I am not sure that the Duke and Duchess of Windsor lived quietly by choice. In the early years they tried very hard to stay in the centre of things even visiting Hitler in the hope that if Germany won WW2 they would install him as King again. It was his links to the Nazis that meant he had little choice but to accept a backseat. From accounts of people who knew them he very much resented that back seat.

I should be clear that I am ion no way likening Harry and Meghan to the Duke and Duchess of Sussex just responding to the suggestion that the Windsors understood the deal they had cut. I am not sure they did understood it at all.

I wonder if Meghan came along because she was anxious about what they would say to him in her absence and was worried about losing control of her golden goose?

They could make it into Horrible Histories one day - that's famous too.

Why do you assume Harry wants to be invited back with open arms? To a family he feels are unsupportive and racist? I can’t imagine he would want back in to that. I wouldn’t.

I think he loves and respects his grandmother. He clearly has a relationship with one of more cousins. I think there’s issues with a lot of other family members. Like with other families, when you think relatives have wronged you/you have fallen out, then you’re often glad to be rid of them.

Yes, that's true. I actually feel quite sorry for him although I think his comments are openly trolling Meghan and Harry and have been for some time. Not really comparing like with like - didn't he say at one point he'd do an interview every month until Meghan spoke to him?

He wanted to stay a working royal, just not do the bits he didn't fancy and make money on the side

That's the fly in the ointment that's always conveniently ignored isn't it? Especially when Harry himself said that what they'd wanted "hadn't been possible"

Had they said "Look, we simply can't live his life so we're going" that might have been one thing, but I've yet to see anyone explain why they were so keen to stay half in/half out if the situation was as appalling and racist as they've since tried to paint it

So right OP.

Will this odious, privileged, sanctimonious, unemployed couple ever piss-off?

He's given up his job, he's left the f* country, and sold his soul to Netflix and Oprah. Jeez, what a tool.

I actually feel quite sorry for him although I think his comments are openly trolling Meghan and Harry and have been for some time

And what is the point of Harry repeatedly criticising his family in front of the world? What constructive purpose does this serve? What is his motivation?

Not really comparing like with like

Why not?

No two situations are identical, of course, but your "feeling is that it's better risk to ruffling feathers than stay quiet about things that are potentially damaging or have caused hurt to you or others" applies to Thomas Markle as much as it does to Harry or Meghan.

If, as you seem to think, it's OK to publicly criticise people regardless of the effect it might have on those people, then surely that is true for everyone, not just people you approve of?

Really cannot understand what is the problem here: Harry left the UK because his wife was being harassed and insulted by the press, the RF did nothing about it so he had to. He was looking after his family and had the courage to speak up about it. He has always made it clear how close his relationship was with his grandma, even in his interview.
He has every right to be protective over her, he is her grandson ffs.
I think it was said based on his feelings for her. She is his grandmother first then the queen. So really, what is everyone’s problem with Harry???? Please tell me because I think he is sweet, loving and a great father and husband.

How can he love and respect the Queen if she is the Head of a racist family and household?

Harry left the UK because his wife was being harassed and insulted by the press, the RF did nothing about it so he had to.

What was the RF supposed to do about it?

Excellent post

Just because someone else in the family made a racist comment, doesn’t mean the Queen is racist. Does that really need explaining?

Just because someone else in the family made a racist comment, doesn’t mean the Queen is racist. Does that really need explaining?

Just because someone made a racist comment it doesn’t mean the whole family is either. I’m not convinced about that anyway - families conjecture about all sorts of aspects of an unborn baby’s appearance. It’s like speculating whether it would have red hair.

The issue is that, for 2 people who as you say just want to be financially independent and left alone, what they’re not being silent about includes:

• prince Charles l having cut him off financially. He sat in a $11million mansion, an almost 40 year old man who is a millionaire in his own right, and moaned about daddy ‘cutting him off’
• things that attract huge press attention, like little digs at his family and interviews where he says provocative things

Their fundamental problem is they want to have their cake and eat it as well

I don't really have a finger on the pulse about current public opinion of Harry but I get the feeling it's not great.

There's probably a greater proportion of people on Mumsnet who are fine with it all than there are in the wider public, iyswim. As in, he's probably less unpopular on Mumsnet than he is in general.

There's no getting away from the fact that he's caused a ruckus.

Speculating on the skin colour of a child with one black and one white parent is not the same as speculating on hair colour. No doubt you’ll have a black ‘friend’ who is fine with it. 🙄 😡

And Meghan said there were ‘concerns’ about how dark his skin would be. Having concerns is a negative thing, not excitedly discussing what he’ll look like.

I don't think their behaviour is quite as similar you're suggesting, but in general I believe it's ok to speak about one's own experiences, yes.

Also, I can't really think of anything equivalent to growing up in the public eye as a member of the (famously dysfunctional) royal family, and then having a 'professional' role within a rigid hierarchy made up of your closest family, whose most elderly member is also the head of state. If he's got something to say about it then I think that's fair enough and potentially of legitimate public interest. You can't just cover a multitude of sins behind being a private family while also functioning as an employer, head of the church, head of the commonwealth etc.

But then Meghan wasn’t part of the conversation was she? Nor can they decide between themselves when it was - early stages of relationship, during pregnancy. Who knows.

Presumably it will be brought up again when they feel they need some publicity.

Also, I can't really think of anything equivalent to growing up in the public eye as a member of the (famously dysfunctional) royal family, and then having a 'professional' role within a rigid hierarchy made up of your closest family, whose most elderly member is also the head of state. If he's got something to say about it then I think that's fair enough and potentially of legitimate public interest.

I'm not sure how private family matters, or rather, one somewhat embittered individual's personal perception of such matters, are of 'legitimate public interest'. It's essentially tittle tattle. Isn't everyone entitled to a private life, no matter what their official position might be?

Harry most certainly wouldn't want to be at the receiving end of the same, and I'm sure there's lots that could be said about him that he wouldn't want made public.

Agree to disagree then