Oh do piss off, Harry

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/20/prince-harry-says-queen-on-great-form-during-visit?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

The Queen has coped for most of her life without you. I don't think she needs you 'protecting her' now.

I'm usually entire ambivalent to the royals but this has really bruised my cherry!

AIBU?

I can't imagine that being brought up the second son/younger brother of a future king is easy in this respect

Princess Anne seems to have managed OK. And even though Prince Edward had some pretty troubled times, he managed to come through it, learn from it and find a role that doesnt involve being as sleazy as fuck

Princess Anne seems to have managed OK. And even though Prince Edward had some pretty troubled times, he managed to come through it, learn from it and find a role that doesnt involve being as sleazy as fuck

True. But everyone is different. My siblings are both much nicer people than me, but we had the same upbringings by the same people. We’re just different. Also, my mum didn’t die at a critical age. Yes, William’s mum died too. But you can’t blame someone for handling grief badly or “wrongly”. It is what it is. Everyone is different. Any parent of more than one child knows this.

Plenty of things one can rightfully have a pop at Harry for. I don’t think this is one of them.

It might just be projection or maybe they are just people too. With fears, difficulties and messy problems which are hard to come to terms with.

All this emotive language you use ‘whilst Prince Philip lay dying’ it is untrue.

(Granted the chances of a 99 year old dying at any point - well in honesty there is a degree of certainty about end stage of living.)

The Oprah Interview was aired on the 7th of March.

Prince Philip was said to be in ‘good spirits’ on the 16th of March when he was discharged from hospital. He was well enough to be able to be helped from a wheelchair into the car for his journey home.
He later died on the 9th of April.

He was not lying dying.

The words you then use describe or attribute actions which you can never know took place - spite, callousness, calculated, nastiness - betrayal. These are your own highly judgemental assessment fed by uninformed Royal Journalists and a Royal Rota furious to have no longer have any actual information to go on.

We have heard next to nothing from the Duke and Duchess of Sussex for years but so many things are supposed from their inactions and the stories manufactured by the Press.

Prince Harry has every right to state what he feels about his grandmother. For all we know she may have said she needed better support around her, given the Prince Andrew backlash.
I wonder why Prince Harry and the Duchess of Sussex must always be cast as villains? It is nonsense.

We have heard next to nothing from the Duke and Duchess of Sussex for years

Did you miss the hours of Oprah interview?
Or the Omid Scobie's book that Meghan and Harry both generously fed their version to him word for word with direct quotes?
The long and boring whinging about mental health? Or telling us all to look after the climate as they board private jets?

We know of at least two books that are due to be published in a matter of months.

Hardly nothing!!! They have in fact never stopped since they disappeared to enjoy their 'private' life - we had hoped they would, and we could all enjoy some peace and quiet.

Harry is a nothing to the Queen, he might like to think of himself as someone special to her, but I imagine she is incredibly disappointed in him.

We have heard next to nothing from the Duke and Duchess of Sussex for years

Yes, next to nothing.

Other than the 'not many people have asked me how I am' interview.

Or the hagiography Meghan cooperated with, as she reluctantly admitted to the courts.

Or the 'tell all' interview with Oprah.

Or Harry's shoulder tappy 'mental health' programme.

Or the Dax Shephard interview.

And now telling the world about his 'private visit' to Windsor.

Other than that, and no doubt more I can't think of just now, yes, 'next to nothing'.

Prince Harry has every right to state what he feels about his grandmother.

Well, it's not a crime so yes, I guess he has 'every right'.

But what, exactly, will be gained from Harry telling a US network what he 'feels' about a person he has only seen in person on one brief occasion in the past two years and more?

I wonder why Prince Harry and the Duchess of Sussex must always be cast as villains? It is nonsense.

But don't people have 'every right' to say what they 'feel'?

It doesn’t really matter what Harry or Meghan say, some complete prick will find a word or phrase to criticise and blow it up into something ridiculous.

Meghan and Harry could give a homeless person £50 and they would be slated cause it’s only £50 and they have millions
Kate and William could give a homeless person 10p and they would be hailed as the most generous loving people with hearts of gold and are our true future royals.

@RonaldMcDonald Prince Philip was in hospital at the time the interview aired and at least part of it was filmed. At that stage, his fate was unknown. He could easily have died at the time and only survived for another month. It was reported at the time that his health was deemed too fragile by the family to inform him of said Oprah interview whilst in hospital.

There is something very condescending about what he said. Just because she is older doesn’t mean she doesn’t have mental capacity. She has shown herself to be an intelligent and strong woman. It’s all just a bit gross and someone who is trying to capitalise in any way that they can on a family member.

Like his poor me interview during the Africa tour he is using a high profile event to vent his grievances

Exactly

In many ways it was the South Africa interviews that turned it for me, and now Harry's done it again.
Even accepting that he has every right to make his silly remarks, the media would have reported them at any time so I really can't see why he chose this particular period, except to demonstrate once again his almost total lack of judgement

@givethatbabyaname I agree with much of what you have said.

Problematically I think Prince Harry believes that if we see them as a family we will appreciate them more. He also believes if we understand the chokehold Murdoch has on his family, the Royal Family that we will stop consuming their lies (news).
Lastly I think he believes the British public want more from the Royal Family and actively want them to remain but he believes that to do this they must be more involved and work harder for the people - not simply grimly smiling and nodding.

I think the Murdoch press have toyed with the British Royal Family pretty cruelly.

The Royal Family are allowed to remain as long, as you say, they are bland and pointless. Murdoch is vehemently anti royal and throws the juiciest scraps to his readers largely after artificially bolstering a Royal’s popularity.
Think Sarah Ferguson, Charles, Camilla, Diana. The Sussexes were his new playthings, having toyed a little with the Cambridges to remind them who had control.
I believe Murdoch and his editors are furious at the Sussexes.
How dare they try to lift the curtain on how cowed and bullied the Royal Family are by the press. How the Royal Family believe they exist only because Murdoch allows them to. To stay in power - or to do God’s bidding ( I think HMQ believes this ) they have needed to have an uneasy existence with an abuser.

I think Society has moved on. We don’t want bland. We maybe don’t want Royal or to be reigned over. We don’t want embarrassingly poorly informed white Royals doing tours of countries their country/family colonised.
We maybe would stomach the Royals more if they did have jobs. If they donated huge proportions of their wealth to British citizens with nothing. Or to improving British charities.

Maybe we’d like to see them consider some level of reparations to countries that were colonised. Return of jewels etc. Charities funded, wealth donated.

If the BRF don’t change overwhelmingly, imo William will never be King. I think there is time to change.

The ONLY silver lining to our wonderful Queen passing will be the end of Harry and Meghan being able to use their one last connection as fodder for their cash reserves. It will be the only blessing that they will cut completely loose when that happens. There is no love lost with any other senior royal, so their last link will completely dry up, and personally I hope we will never see them ever again. I can't stand them anymore. Such a shame as they were a fabulous couple at the beginning and we had such high hopes that they could bring energy and optimism to the world.

But when I pointed out that most of the others appear to be OK and that Harry was more than happy to raise his children as royals, you started added all the above, despite the fact that most of it doesn't relate to Harry's childhood.

We have no idea whether they are ok. Harry has talked about his trauma of losing his mother as a child. He stepped back because of things that happened when he met Meghan and how he seen that linking to the loss of his mother with the press attention. His past trauma had an effect on his present fears. He found his family unsupportive at that time. It’s fair to say the other GC didn’t have that experience, other than William. But Kate’s not black so its different. I’m sure William must have felt some of what Harry felt though, only he really couldn’t step away even if he wanted to. It would have been a much bigger thing for William to do that. But the press started to be kinder to Kate thankfully. I actually quite like Kate, I think she’s warm, I like how she seems very genuine with children especially.

I would say that the past few years have shown us that Harry's choices aren't always wise.

Who knows? Only he knows if he feels better for it. I hope he does. Family rifts can be really sad and only he knows if it’s all been worth it.

So everyone who has had a relationship with a famous person should use the media to offload their resentments?

I think people should do what they think is right for them. I think Harry’s situation is quite unique, being in the Royal family isn’t like being a singer or an actor. It’s ingrained in British culture, there’s an interest from press and public that is very unique, theres an expectation that they have a relationship with the press, very different to other celebs.

Reported by whom?

I lost my Mam at his age. She has never "visited me". He needs to get a grip.

It was a response by Buckingham Palace ronald because Prince Philip was gravely ill, and they did not want to further distress him with what Harry had done to the family on the Oprah interview. It was decided he would never be told.

You get that they are massively independently wealthy, right?

Upon HMQ’s death Prince Harry will then be the King’s son. He will be far, far from the public eye. Interest will be closely on him and his children.

Never see them again 🙄

Also if Charles must carry on with the Royal Rota dance, he may invite the Sussexes back into the fold in any capacity to provide some additional support for the weight of scrutiny he, Queen Camilla and the Prince and Princess of Wales will face.

Was never communicated from BP

We have no idea whether they are ok.

Given the amount of gossip about them, and that at least some of them have been famous literally since birth, I wouldn't say we have 'no idea'. We can't know for sure, I agree, but from what I can see, the queen's 7 other granchildren seem like well adjusted, happy adults.

So I simply don't agree with you that "Children having to grow up in the RF, must be a total mind fuck." From what we can see, most of them do OK. And sure there are disadvantages, but the perks are pretty spectacular too.

He stepped back because of things that happened when he met Meghan and how he seen that linking to the loss of his mother with the press attention.

But that's just not true. He wanted to stay a working royal, just not do the bits he didn't fancy and make money on the side. He wanted his son to be a prince and grow up in the royal family. He clings on for dear life to his titles and royal connections, hence him giving an interview about a brief visit which could and should have remained private.

I think people should do what they think is right for them.

That sounds like a very strange recipe for society.

Everyone "should do what they think is right for them", regardless of the consequences for others?

You get that they are massively independently wealthy, right?

yes. Which makes his 'poor me daddy cut me off' and the 'mistake' around the timeline of when he was cut off, so ridiculous.

You get that they are massively independently wealthy, right?

No they aren't, not really, not for the lifestyle they are trying to have. That is why they are downsizing. They might be massively wealthy to you, but their living costs are absolutely enormous and how will they continue for decades and decades with such a small amount relatively. They can't. In a word. Which is why we are seeing such desperate attempts to cash in now.

Prince Charles will never welcome them back. That is just wishful thinking.

The book will be published, and Harry will be completely exiled. As he has chosen. He will get the private life now whether he wants it or not.

If they haven't done the interviews, books etc for attention (with the intention of making money from the attention) and they didn't want to cause the Queen any distress....why didn't they wait until after she died?

I think people, in general, would have felt more sympathetic if they had waited.

And offensive, esp now with the cost of living crisis. Hearing that man child complain that he's been cut off financially in his 30's, when he's 34 million, and wasn't actually cut off is just offensive and infuriating. Real people are struggling all the time, he's rich, spoiled and petulant and really needs to shut up.

theres an expectation that they have a relationship with the press, very different to other celebs

Because they signed the deal with Netflix. We didn’t have the Duke of Windsor - the man who’d actually been king - popping up in the press every five minutes throughout his exile. He lived quietly in Paris because he understood the deal he’d cut - Harry patently doesn’t.

I really don't like Harry at all. Such a wringing, petulant, entitled fool.

Unless you are indeed the Queen how on earth do you know how she feels about Harry?