This government and their direction of travel, frightens me.

[Kendodd]

Teressa May (last government, but same party) with her 'go home immigrants' vans and hostle environment.
Immigration and Borders act.
Transportation to Rwanda.
Bringing laws in trying to limit our right to protest.
Lying to the queen to prorogue parliament.
Lying in the house of commons.
Trying to change the law to get one of your MPs off.
Pretty much ripping up the ministerial code.
Windrush.
Admitting that they're just going to break international law.

I bet they will come after the human rights act and try to get us out of ECHR.

Worse, I think a great many of the public love the fact they've done all the above and would cheer loudly at the ripping up of the human rights act and ECHR membership (wtaf?)

How did we get to this?

@jgw1, so because you, personally don't need them (or anyone I guess) to look after you, everyone else can go to hell? Is that what you are saying?

Not a very nice attitude is it?

Just over 40% of the electorate. It’s hardly a resounding endorsement.

This is a tired meme and isnt't the gotcha you think it is.

Currently we are in a sitution where 39% of labour voters support the Rwanda deal, this is a crtical point of those opposing it to offer solutions to the tricky subjects of globalisation and immigration.

This is a situation where you cannot put the blame on racism, or some white privilidge angle, it is a genuine concern across race and class and the bigoted card has been devalued so much that it will come up in the next election regardless, it is for those who are virtue signalling afraid of the sittuation to offer a suitable counter point.

As we have seen from this thread, they can't

[quote user1471453601]@jgw1, so because you, personally don't need them (or anyone I guess) to look after you, everyone else can go to hell? Is that what you are saying?

Not a very nice attitude is it?[/quote]
Works for me.

Can you get a GP appointment?
Do you have a dentist?
Can your kids find a house to rent at a sensible price?
Are there more housing developments being put in near you?

All problems aggravated by increased population.

Pressure on resources don't go away by adding more people.

*What a nasty little post.

You know where the door is if you don't like it.*

You can't deny there is truth in that post. Why should the poster leave for daring to call a spade a spade? Freedom of expression and all that.

Currently we are in a sitution where 39% of labour voters support the Rwanda deal, this is a crtical point of those opposing it to offer solutions to the tricky subjects of globalisation and immigration

Curious

I can show another poll that contradicts that

yougov.co.uk/topics/travel/survey-results/daily/2022/04/14/8bb29/1

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@KyieveMii

I can imagine. My family are in the process of the Ukrainian scheme (or just hopefully looking at it in some cases) at the moment. Nothing is easy with the uk home office. I think it needs completely changing, it’s not fit for purpose.

Is anything fit for purpose in this country any more?

@mumda

Can you get a GP appointment? Do you have a dentist? Can your kids find a house to rent at a sensible price? Are there more housing developments being put in near you?

All problems aggravated by increased population.

Pressure on resources don't go away by adding more people.

What do you think of the 823,000 refugees in Ethiopia? The 4 million in Turkey?

Refugees will always exist. Where should they go and whose responsibility are they?

@mumda

Can you get a GP appointment? Do you have a dentist? Can your kids find a house to rent at a sensible price? Are there more housing developments being put in near you?

All problems aggravated by increased population.

Pressure on resources don't go away by adding more people.

But they work, they pay wages and tax, tax is the. Used to oh for gps and dentists. That’s how economy’s work.

But talking about gp’s, I mentioned to my husband just the other day that our town has just had new housing estates built on it constantly since we’ve been here. In 2001 it had a population of 100k, now it’s 140k, yet not one single housing development has a gp surgery or dentist on it. Not one. That is why it is difficult to get an appointment - we are simply not being the infrastructure because we have a government who would rather pay for high speed 2 then new doctors

*building not being

@PurpleThursdays

*What a nasty little post.

You know where the door is if you don't like it.*

You can't deny there is truth in that post. Why should the poster leave for daring to call a spade a spade? Freedom of expression and all that.

I do deny it. This is a lovely country full of wonderful, compassionate people. I work with charities and am always amazed by how much people and communities do for others, and how readily people put their hands in their pocket for others. It really boils my piss to see us described as racist, bigoted, xenophobic, nasty far right assholes by someone who benefits from the relative good conditions people enjoy here. And before you jump down my throat about food banks and child poverty (I know more about them than you think!), I said RELATIVE compared to the vast majority of other countries around the world. People aren't desperate to get here just because it's 'safe' but because underneath it's a great country.

The poster doesn't have to leave. I didn't tell them too (unlike someone who told me to fuck off to North Korea earlier int he thread) I just said if their perception of this lovely country is as they described then they know where the door is. They can choose to live in all those wonderful countries that are so much better, with such nice people if we disgust her so much.

@PurpleThursdays

*What a nasty little post.

You know where the door is if you don't like it.*

You can't deny there is truth in that post. Why should the poster leave for daring to call a spade a spade? Freedom of expression and all that.

I do deny it. This is a lovely country full of wonderful, compassionate people. I work with charities and am always amazed by how much people and communities do for others, and how readily people put their hands in their pocket for others. It really boils my piss to see us described as racist, bigoted, xenophobic, nasty far right assholes by someone who benefits from the relative good conditions people enjoy here. And before you jump down my throat about food banks and child poverty (I know more about them than you think!), I said RELATIVE compared to the vast majority of other countries around the world. People aren't desperate to get here just because it's 'safe' but because underneath it's a great country.

The poster doesn't have to leave. I didn't tell them to (unlike someone who told me to fuck off to North Korea earlier int he thread) I just said if their perception of this lovely country is as they described then they know where the door is. They can choose to live in all those wonderful countries that are so much better, with such nice people if we disgust her so much.

Oh and our new houses are not being used but the teeny tiny proportion of asylum seekers. No it’s mostly second homes, London commuters, split parents needing 2 homes etc that’s increasing our population. Middle class white men. No asylum seeker can afford the mortgage

I can show another poll that contradicts that

I think you trying to counter an actual poll to a paid to participate poll is not the win you think it is.

What are your actual rebuttals of the situation?

Yougov polls - what the establishment want you to think everyone is thinking so that you think it too.

@GreenLunchBox I’m not sure. If I’m honest I think my time here is nearing the end. Many friends left through Brexit or hostile environments. The UK has served us well I know in the past, we stayed for a reason. But I also feel the pull of living and lifestyle has waned, and the hostility has risen. I don’t feel part of the UK.
I know someone will say ‘well fuck off then’. I am, I’m just planning it sensibly for my family rather than rushing.

Reading this i think public opinion is scaring me more.

Yes @timeforausernamechange22. Thank you! We immigrants. We ARE builders, GPs, dentists, NHS workers, bus drivers, carers, fruit pickers. All of these things for a very long time. But the government the country keeps electing keeps stoking the flames of intolerance. At the same time, not encouraging young people enough to take up some of these professions, so that they have to rely on immigration. The immigration that they don't want. A "tidal wave." That cannot work!

[quote user1471453601]@jgw1, so because you, personally don't need them (or anyone I guess) to look after you, everyone else can go to hell? Is that what you are saying?

Not a very nice attitude is it?[/quote]
Well if everyone else was a clever and successful as me they wouldn't need them either.

Just over 40% of the electorate. It’s hardly a resounding endorsement.

This is a tired meme and isnt't the gotcha you think it is

It’s neither a gotcha nor a meme. It’s a fact. More people don’t want this government than do - and that’s on 2019 numbers.

@kyieveMii sorry to hear you feel that way but glad you have seen some good in the country. You have to do what is right for your family. I have lived abroad twice and always felt drawn back home, despite loving my host countries.

@sst1234

It’s called democracy. 13 million people voted Tory. They had a choice and they rejected the alternative. It’s just a fact, not an opinion.

Still people coming out with this stuff, which is a big part of why we are in this mess.

What about the 22m whose votes went down the toilet thanks to fptp?

44% is not a majority government. It is only a democracy if you are a tory spin doctor.

@Blossomtoes

Just over 40% of the electorate. It’s hardly a resounding endorsement.

This is a tired meme and isnt't the gotcha you think it is

It’s neither a gotcha nor a meme. It’s a fact. More people don’t want this government than do - and that’s on 2019 numbers.

Facts are used by experts, and we all know what we think of experts.

Oh and our new houses are not being used but the teeny tiny proportion of asylum seekers. No it’s mostly second homes, London commuters, split parents needing 2 homes etc that’s increasing our population. Middle class white men. No asylum seeker can afford the mortgage

Why bring White men into the argument?

If you want to fo down the hyperbolic headlines then we should address why 3 million a day is spent on just housing illegal immigrants, and then bring into the discussion the cost of living increase and somehow show what situation will be better when some people are stuggling to even pay for essential services.