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This government and their direction of travel, frightens me.

455 replies

Kendodd · 17/04/2022 19:32

Teressa May (last government, but same party) with her 'go home immigrants' vans and hostle environment.
Immigration and Borders act.
Transportation to Rwanda.
Bringing laws in trying to limit our right to protest.
Lying to the queen to prorogue parliament.
Lying in the house of commons.
Trying to change the law to get one of your MPs off.
Pretty much ripping up the ministerial code.
Windrush.
Admitting that they're just going to break international law.

I bet they will come after the human rights act and try to get us out of ECHR.

Worse, I think a great many of the public love the fact they've done all the above and would cheer loudly at the ripping up of the human rights act and ECHR membership (wtaf?)

How did we get to this?

OP posts:
Justanotherlurker · 17/04/2022 20:30

They are asylum seekers. By definition you cannot be an illegal asylum seeker.

At the minute there is no distinction between those making these types of posts between genuine asylum seekers and economic migrants, the people opposed to this need to come to the table with proper alternatives, a recent case near me was for someone who needed asylum because of thier sexual orientation, they was welcomed in the non white community because this is the UK, to end up being a serial rapist, it isn't the white far right who are fucked off with the government for this, this isn't the only community that are in support of tighter immigration rules, to just try and correct terminology is not going to stop difficult conversations happening in the future.

SpringHasSprungYay · 17/04/2022 20:32

We got to this by voting the Tories in.

leotardrock · 17/04/2022 20:32

@Fishwishy

This government always upsets the echo chamber of Mumsnet. Meanwhile the people I speak to want extinction rebellion protests stopped, are very concerned about immigration (including several remainers). And want this government to put this country and its core voters first and stop being such a soft touch.
Do you think shipping people to Rwanda is part of our core values because I don't think it is or Windrush? Trying to deport people who had lived & worked here their whole lives? Lying to the Queen, breaking lockdown rules, the Ministerial code, Lying to the House of Commons - are those things part of your core values? Because they aren't mine!

And those saying if you don't like it you know where the door is - well that particular option had already been taken away from lots if us with the end of free movement! Thanks!

feedyourheed · 17/04/2022 20:33

@Thebestwaytoscareatory

Which principles would they be then?

SpringHasSprungYay · 17/04/2022 20:33

@maducks

How do we manage the tidal wave of illegal immigrants?

We need to do what's right for them, but also the citizens of this country

It's a hard one

There isn't a tidal wave of immigrants. Ffs.
Onionpatch · 17/04/2022 20:34

I am nervous about the direction of travel from the goverment. I feel they are chipping away at democracy - they have attacked all the measures that are used to hold a government to account and broken all the self regulating that goes on too and continue to do so.

This is before i get to their policies which dont seem very conservative to be honest.

SpringHasSprungYay · 17/04/2022 20:34

[quote maducks]@Dontevenstart we can't let everyone in. It's just not viable [/quote]
Why do you think this?

CapMarvel · 17/04/2022 20:35

@Justanotherlurker

They are asylum seekers. By definition you cannot be an illegal asylum seeker.

At the minute there is no distinction between those making these types of posts between genuine asylum seekers and economic migrants, the people opposed to this need to come to the table with proper alternatives, a recent case near me was for someone who needed asylum because of thier sexual orientation, they was welcomed in the non white community because this is the UK, to end up being a serial rapist, it isn't the white far right who are fucked off with the government for this, this isn't the only community that are in support of tighter immigration rules, to just try and correct terminology is not going to stop difficult conversations happening in the future.

Proper alternatives to shipping people off to Rwanda costing more than it does to settle them in the uk?

Tough one.

SpringHasSprungYay · 17/04/2022 20:36

[quote KyieveMii]@feedyourheed I looked online, see the photo I’ve attached
Africa is not the source for most boats (I’m not being argumentative l, your comment about being sent back to Africa made me wonder)[/quote]
And refugees make up 0.6% of the population. We are not overfull. Stop believing what The Daily Hate tells you.

CapMarvel · 17/04/2022 20:36

@Onionpatch

I am nervous about the direction of travel from the goverment. I feel they are chipping away at democracy - they have attacked all the measures that are used to hold a government to account and broken all the self regulating that goes on too and continue to do so.

This is before i get to their policies which dont seem very conservative to be honest.

They aren't so much chipping away as taking a fucking chainsaw to it all.

The fact is Boris has broken the law on several occasions as well as repeatedly breaking the ministerial code.

The fact that he is still our PM tells you that the UK is no longer a functioning democracy.

SpringHasSprungYay · 17/04/2022 20:37

@CapMarvel

We got here because people are still inexplicably voting tory.

Honestly I think Boris could go on a puppy and kitten murder spree and they'd still get a majority - and that says equally as much about the lack of opposition we have as it does the idocy of the electorate.

This.
jgw1 · 17/04/2022 20:39

*They aren't so much chipping away as taking a fucking chainsaw to it all.

The fact is Boris has broken the law on several occasions as well as repeatedly breaking the ministerial code.

The fact that he is still our PM tells you that the UK is no longer a functioning democracy.*

That's all very well and good, but at least Boris knows what a woman is, which is apparently more than most men.

feedyourheed · 17/04/2022 20:39

@Onionpatch

I am nervous about the direction of travel from the goverment. I feel they are chipping away at democracy - they have attacked all the measures that are used to hold a government to account and broken all the self regulating that goes on too and continue to do so.

This is before i get to their policies which dont seem very conservative to be honest.

I agree with this. Getting tough on illegal immigration is a popular policy. The cynic in me thinks it is to turn attention away from the assault on democracy in this country, chipping away at our rights, trying to remove individual rights in favour of the rights of the majority (or the greater good), intense propaganda promoting fear and encouraging people to turn on each other, making it illegal to sit on a park bench in the fresh air etc.

The populism stuff is to help them get re-elected whilst being the most corrupt and authoritarian this country has seen for over 100 years.

And they get away with it because there is no opposition. The opposition are everyone's worst nightmare, and even the corrupt tories seem preferable to a government more interested in literally anyone but the white working classes.

CapMarvel · 17/04/2022 20:41

@jgw1

*They aren't so much chipping away as taking a fucking chainsaw to it all.

The fact is Boris has broken the law on several occasions as well as repeatedly breaking the ministerial code.

The fact that he is still our PM tells you that the UK is no longer a functioning democracy.*

That's all very well and good, but at least Boris knows what a woman is, which is apparently more than most men.

If you think Boris, Mogg et all give a shiny shit about women then more fool you. They fucking hate anyone who isn't a middle aged white man.
sst1234 · 17/04/2022 20:42

Putting your own opinions of immigration aside for just one moment - if you think that people are unreasonable for being concerned about the situation in the channel, then you are part of the problem. To come out with soundbites like ‘daily fail’ and implying that people are stupid for being concerned typifies the attitude which brought down the red wall. To tell people there is no problem with illegal migration is nothing short of gaslighting. Keep going, you are only doing damage to your own cause.

CapMarvel · 17/04/2022 20:43

And yes, I'm fully aware that labour hardly have a good claim to fame on this topic, but the fact is if you think voting tory is protecting women's rights you are sorely mistaken.

Onionpatch · 17/04/2022 20:43

@CapMarvel - did we get to keep judicial review? I was so stressed by the bill I sort of blotted it all out

cakeorwine · 17/04/2022 20:44

If you think Boris, Mogg et all give a shiny shit about women then more fool you. They fucking hate anyone who isn't a middle aged white man

@jgw1 is being sarcastic here.

A little thing on women's life expectancy in the UK

www.theguardian.com/society/2022/apr/17/women-in-englands-poorest-areas-die-younger-than-in-most-oecd-countries

devildeepbluesea · 17/04/2022 20:45

I’m the biggest critic of this shitshow of parasites we appear to have voted into power, but the Rwanda thing…. This properly blows my mind. What kind of filth would do that?

cakeorwine · 17/04/2022 20:45

To tell people there is no problem with illegal migration is nothing short of gaslighting. Keep going, you are only doing damage to your own cause

If you keep saying illegal migration instead of asylum seeking, you are using the wrong words deliberately to try to confuse people.

jgw1 · 17/04/2022 20:47

@CapMarvel

And yes, I'm fully aware that labour hardly have a good claim to fame on this topic, but the fact is if you think voting tory is protecting women's rights you are sorely mistaken.
But Boris is a well known lover of women.
Lambington · 17/04/2022 20:47

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

YANBU.

SScoobiedoo · 17/04/2022 20:48

No opposition - this is the problem -also insoluble problems such as fuel price rises, immigration.

No one should complain unless they have a better solution
eg No one should be sent to Rwanda INSTEAD ...,,,,blah blah blah
Or gas prices should not be allowed to rise INSTEAD...........what???

Quincunx · 17/04/2022 20:49

Fishywishy Who are these "core voters" you speak to? Russian oligarchs on golden visas?

Not sure how the economy's going to improve with the disparity of incomes and corporate bloodsucking at this kind of level.

Timeforausernamechange22 · 17/04/2022 20:50

I think the government is an utter disgrace.
Rwanda plan is just the cherry on the top of a very rotten cake. I have no issue with asylum seekers coming into this country. They did not decide on being born into war zones, just like we didn’t decide on being born into a free developed, peaceful country. We got lucky, they did not, and I hope to God that if the shoe was on the other foot there would be someone to take us in and not ship us off to a place with appalling human rights.