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Original poster

This government and their direction of travel, frightens me.

455 replies

Kendodd · 17/04/2022 19:32

Teressa May (last government, but same party) with her 'go home immigrants' vans and hostle environment.
Immigration and Borders act.
Transportation to Rwanda.
Bringing laws in trying to limit our right to protest.
Lying to the queen to prorogue parliament.
Lying in the house of commons.
Trying to change the law to get one of your MPs off.
Pretty much ripping up the ministerial code.
Windrush.
Admitting that they're just going to break international law.

I bet they will come after the human rights act and try to get us out of ECHR.

Worse, I think a great many of the public love the fact they've done all the above and would cheer loudly at the ripping up of the human rights act and ECHR membership (wtaf?)

How did we get to this?

OP posts:
CapMarvel · 17/04/2022 20:08

We got here because people are still inexplicably voting tory.

Honestly I think Boris could go on a puppy and kitten murder spree and they'd still get a majority - and that says equally as much about the lack of opposition we have as it does the idocy of the electorate.

feedyourheed · 17/04/2022 20:09

[quote KyieveMii]@feedyourheed I looked online, see the photo I’ve attached
Africa is not the source for most boats (I’m not being argumentative l, your comment about being sent back to Africa made me wonder)[/quote]
Also I hope your family members here make it here okay. The process to apply for refugees should be much simpler. There is huge confusion between refugees/asylum seekers and economic migrants and it makes things more difficult for the former. Diminishing the channel boats should make things easier for those who are fleeing war, which cannot include the whole world.

user1471453601 · 17/04/2022 20:10

@maducks, what tidal wave is that? The last time I looked we, the 5th/6th richest country in the world, took 2% of the world's refugees.

Time to start looking for facts, instead of believing what you are told

DingleyDel · 17/04/2022 20:11

My parents and their friends are in full on support of Rwanda as they had to claim asylum decades ago, their narrative is that the social contract will just break for people, if they see themselves paying taxes for queue jumpers and ecomic migrants.

Oh yea. Are they brown or white? It’s ethnic cleansing and it’s a fucking disgrace. I’m ashamed of this country.

feedyourheed · 17/04/2022 20:12

@DingleyDel

My parents and their friends are in full on support of Rwanda as they had to claim asylum decades ago, their narrative is that the social contract will just break for people, if they see themselves paying taxes for queue jumpers and ecomic migrants.

Oh yea. Are they brown or white? It’s ethnic cleansing and it’s a fucking disgrace. I’m ashamed of this country.

It is NOT ethnic cleansing. What a shocking thing to say.
CapMarvel · 17/04/2022 20:13

@maducks

How do we manage the tidal wave of illegal immigrants?

We need to do what's right for them, but also the citizens of this country

It's a hard one

They are asylum seekers. By definition you cannot be an illegal asylum seeker.
DingleyDel · 17/04/2022 20:15

It is NOT ethnic cleansing. What a shocking thing to say.

How is it not? I don’t see them proposing to send white refugees to Rwanda at great cost to the taxpayer.

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 17/04/2022 20:17

As I've said ad nauseum Tories care only about money in their pockets and themselves. As long as those two things aren't negatively impacted at the same time they don't give a fuck about anything else.

sst1234 · 17/04/2022 20:17

Are you new to current affairs? Were you just as terrified when Tony Blair lied to take this country to war against Iraq, which caused over 1 million dead in the region. People have short memories.

leotardrock · 17/04/2022 20:18

If we haven't got enough people to fill the roles for the work that needs doing, doctors nurses, social care, hospitality fruit pickers then then we should be encouraging immigration

If we haven't got the social infrastructure to support the people to do the jobs we need them to do then that's on the Govt - not the immigrants!

jgw1 · 17/04/2022 20:20

At least Boris knows what a woman is, having had so many of them.

leotardrock · 17/04/2022 20:21

@jgw1

At least Boris knows what a woman is, having had so many of them.
A other 5 years of this lot & we won't care what we're called & I'm GC myself!
Original poster
Kendodd · 17/04/2022 20:22

Were you just as terrified when Tony Blair lied to take this country to war against Iraq, which caused over 1 million dead in the region. People have short memories.
Actually, I haven't voted Labour since the Iraq war and marched against it at the time.
I wonder if this government would make demonstrations like the Iraq war one illegal because it's to noisy.

OP posts:
Blossomtoes · 17/04/2022 20:22

@Charley50

I agree OP. There is this ironic situation where we know that Brexit has had the impact that many industries are now unable to find employees, yet the govt are making it more and more difficult for immigrants of any kind to come here to find work. It's all sorts of fucked up.
This. Unpicked fruit and vegetables rotting in the fields and they want to spend £120 million shipping these people off to Rwanda, it’s completely batshit.

I’m really scared about where we’re going to end up too. It feels as if we’re being governed by a bunch of out of control toddlers.

sst1234 · 17/04/2022 20:22

@jgw1

At least Boris knows what a woman is, having had so many of them.
How original. Why use that as an example to express your distaste for the government, do you not think knowing what a woman is matters?
DaisyWaldron · 17/04/2022 20:24

It's not so much the government that scares me, but the fact that that so many people support them. I think of life 15 years ago and compare it to now, and there are perfectly respectable people expressing views that would have been considered extreme far-right then.

It's not just attitudes to refugees.There seems to be a real change in the way people talk about people who are sick, disabled, living in poverty, LGBTQ.

When I look back at the opening ceremony for the 2012 Olympics, it seems like a whole different country.

cakeorwine · 17/04/2022 20:25

The Tories ignore Middle England at their peril. With a focus on retaining seats they won, they are taking their eyes off seats they are complacent with.

Remember North Shropshire?

A lot of Tory MPs are in seats that are vulnerable. Brexit has been done.

It's the cost of living that will concern people.

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 17/04/2022 20:25

The ones without a valid claim will still arrive via the Channel safe in the knowledge there is nothing we can do about it.

Over 75% of "illegal immigrants" were assessed to be genuine refugees last year. And that was by a government desperate to do everything in their power to prevent people claiming asylum here.

It's also beyond bizarre that people opposed to people claiming asylum here are apparently delighted to pay 10-100 times more per year to administer the same support to the same people as long as it happens offshore.

@feedyourheed alternatively you could fuck off to somewhere more aligned with your own principles such as Russia or North Korea maybe?

Quincunx · 17/04/2022 20:26

sst1234 I don't think that's fair on op. Lies take a while to surface in this country. Vile as TB was/is, the tories are basically just having a free for all. It's a different dynamic. What's worrying about the direction of the tories now, is the sheer volume of lies and the apathy of the public after years of this. Also the lack of will to change any of the broken systems (electoral/education/health/housing market). How boris is still there is just baffling to me.

Fishwishy · 17/04/2022 20:26

This government always upsets the echo chamber of Mumsnet. Meanwhile the people I speak to want extinction rebellion protests stopped, are very concerned about immigration (including several remainers). And want this government to put this country and its core voters first and stop being such a soft touch.

sst1234 · 17/04/2022 20:28

OP, I think you are giving too much credit to this government for having any direction of travel, much less this direction. Direction of travel was what Thatcher had - whether you agreed with it or not. This bunch of incompetent chancers just happened to win a landslide because magic grandpa and his band of loony activists destroyed the opposition. We now have dumb and dumber as government and opposition respectively. A proper right of centre of government would actually be a welcome change. At least the economy would do better.

cakeorwine · 17/04/2022 20:28

And want this government to put this country and its core voters first and stop being such a soft touch

As I said, the Government is having to balance its traditional voters with its new voters - and it's finding this difficult.

By election soon in Wakefield. Will be very interesting

Also a potential by election if Andrew Bridgen is jailed for contempt of court.

jgw1 · 17/04/2022 20:29

How original. Why use that as an example to express your distaste for the government, do you not think knowing what a woman is matters?

@sst1234 It is one of,, if not the most pressing issue in the country at the moment and I am delighted to be the first to raise it on this thread.

OuttaBabylon · 17/04/2022 20:30

@maducks

How do we manage the tidal wave of illegal immigrants?

We need to do what's right for them, but also the citizens of this country

It's a hard one

Tidal wave?
sst1234 · 17/04/2022 20:30

@Fishwishy

This government always upsets the echo chamber of Mumsnet. Meanwhile the people I speak to want extinction rebellion protests stopped, are very concerned about immigration (including several remainers). And want this government to put this country and its core voters first and stop being such a soft touch.
This is very true. The general public, outside the ‘progressive’ hysterical types actually are supportive of these kind of things.