to ask if your child’s school is on this list?

[Organictangerine]

schoolofsexed.org/where

The School of Sexuality Education (which worked on the ‘Family Sex Show’) is apparently delivering sex ed in many schools across the U.K…

Given the organisation feels it appropriate that unvetted Twitter randoms strip naked to talk to 5 year olds about masturbation, not to mention their strong ‘gender’ ideology, I feel it important that MN users are made aware of this.

Interested in any thoughts as well.

@FiveNineFive

I didn't compare it, I compared Organictangerines behaviour around it

What that I think anyone who is fine with an adult male stranger showing small children their penis and testicles while talking to them about ‘sexual pleasure’ and masturbation is a paedophile?

…well if the cap fits….

@Kurtanforpm

If it’s for KS3 and up, then why is my dds primary school showing?

It’s on her school - no other schools around for almost a mile each way and no
secondary close.

You could email the school and ask? I’m sure they won’t be happy with this if it’s the SSE making false representations…

@SolasAnla they are not doing the family sex show in school...

@FiveNineFive

Because I felt it important that parents know that a charity that is capable of such a catastrophic error of judgement may be teaching their child. Not rocket science is it?

But you have not been saying that. You have been conflating the two deliberately and disingenuously

There’s nothing to conflate, it’s the same charity responsible.

[quote CheesecakeAddict]@SolasAnla they are not doing the family sex show in school...[/quote]
So 5 year olds outside of school matter less than the ones in school? 🤔

It’s not about parental choice, it’s about safeguarding. Which is for all kids. In all settings.

I bet they would love to have their creepy show going into schools.

[quote CheesecakeAddict]@SolasAnla they are not doing the family sex show in school...[/quote]
@CheesecakeAddict

Do you think that theFamily sex showas designed is age appropriate for a 5 year old?

If you do think it is age appropiate for a 5 year old can you explain why?

If you do not think it is age appropiate for a 5 year old can you explain (which stakeholder) who you believe should take ownership / responsibility for making the decision to allow it to be marketed to 5 year olds?

Some stakeholder
• 5 year old audience members
• adult accompanied by 5 year old
•The hired actors
•The management of the theater group
•The staff assigned by the educational organisation.
•The management of the educational organisation
• The venue provider
• The governmemt for providing funding

Can you pass a simple attitude test and answer the questions above?

Thats not even close to my point but I can't be bothered to explain it because you are deliberately misunderstanding and casting aspersions on people who have tried.

@SolasAnla your ability to copy and paste is incredible. Add it to your cv.
It is not the same company, they are affiliated, but not the same. This thread is not about the family sex show, because the family sex show is not going into schools. This is a genuinely great company that does a lot of good, which has been reinforced by several posters on this thread who have first hand experience with them. But the problem is not this affiliation, it's the fact that a 17-18 year old can have a workshop on gender identity. So rather than admit this entire thread is based on the now-boring bigotry that is rampant on mn, you'd rather accuse teenagers (because most of these actors that come in are very young themselves) of being sexual predators and go on a witch hunt. It reads like the comments section of a daily mail article

The schools I checked aren’t schools but guest houses (Tiverton) or the middle of a park (Edinburgh)

[quote CheesecakeAddict]@SolasAnla your ability to copy and paste is incredible. Add it to your cv.
It is not the same company, they are affiliated, but not the same. This thread is not about the family sex show, because the family sex show is not going into schools. This is a genuinely great company that does a lot of good, which has been reinforced by several posters on this thread who have first hand experience with them. But the problem is not this affiliation, it's the fact that a 17-18 year old can have a workshop on gender identity. So rather than admit this entire thread is based on the now-boring bigotry that is rampant on mn, you'd rather accuse teenagers (because most of these actors that come in are very young themselves) of being sexual predators and go on a witch hunt. It reads like the comments section of a daily mail article[/quote]
Well said

@Organictangerine

Come on, Top of the Pops was a completely different show to Jim'll Fix It. So nothing to see here.

I work in HR for a College.

It was proposed that this lot deliver training.

I reviewed their material. The training did not happen. Had a few battles but was able to show how their material breached DfE guidance etc.

I am now checking if DS's school is on the list.

@catgirl1976

I work in HR for a College.

It was proposed that this lot deliver training.

I reviewed their material. The training did not happen. Had a few battles but was able to show how their material breached DfE guidance etc.

I am now checking if DS's school is on the list.

This is an important post - it's about fact-finding and safeguarding, and checking guidance from actual statutory bodies not controversial organisations.

Hmm - DS's school is not but it looks like they are trying to suggest they work with my workplace. Not on my watch they won't.

[quote CheesecakeAddict]@SolasAnla your ability to copy and paste is incredible. Add it to your cv.
It is not the same company, they are affiliated, but not the same. This thread is not about the family sex show, because the family sex show is not going into schools. This is a genuinely great company that does a lot of good, which has been reinforced by several posters on this thread who have first hand experience with them. But the problem is not this affiliation, it's the fact that a 17-18 year old can have a workshop on gender identity. So rather than admit this entire thread is based on the now-boring bigotry that is rampant on mn, you'd rather accuse teenagers (because most of these actors that come in are very young themselves) of being sexual predators and go on a witch hunt. It reads like the comments section of a daily mail article[/quote]
I never made a secret of the fact my concerns are also based around the strong gender ideology.

@catgirl1976

I work in HR for a College.

It was proposed that this lot deliver training.

I reviewed their material. The training did not happen. Had a few battles but was able to show how their material breached DfE guidance etc.

I am now checking if DS's school is on the list.

Good for you!

@KatieB55

Why are schools using external organisations? Surely teachers can teach the content on the syllabus?

Not all teachers are trained in delivering Sex Ed. An external provider will give consistency of experience to all of the students, will be experienced, clear and unembarrassed. It’s also really beneficial to have someone that isn’t your teacher deliver content like this as it makes it more accessible and provides a distance between the content and the person delivering.

@CheesecakeAddict

Can you pass a simple attitude test and answer the questions above?

@SolasAnla your ability to copy and paste is incredible. Add it to your cv.

Attacking as a form of defence, opening with an attempt to humiliate or belittle, the not so subtle sneer.

Ineffective but, thank you for taking the time to justifying why you are unwilling to answer the questions below.

Do you think that the Family sex show as designed is age appropriate for a 5 year old?

If you do think it is age appropiate for a 5 year old can you explain why?

If you do not think it is age appropiate for a 5 year old can you explain (which stakeholder) who you believe should take ownership / responsibility for making the decision to allow it to be marketed to 5 year olds?

Some stakeholder
• 5 year old audience members
• adult accompanied by 5 year old
•The hired actors
•The management of the theater group
•The staff assigned by the educational organisation.
•The management of the educational organisation
• The venue provider
• The governmemt for providing funding

It is not the same company, they are affiliated, but not the same. This thread is not about the family sex show, because the family sex show is not going into schools.

Can you expand on what that affiliation entailed?

Or why some of the management decisions (eg one resulted in affiliation with the family sex show) should be ignored?

This is a genuinely great company that does a lot of good, which has been reinforced by several posters on this thread who have first hand experience with them.

Interesting.
You make a very strong claim about the company's output, yet at the same time avoid having to claim any first hand knowledge.

But the problem is not this affiliation, it's the fact that a 17-18 year old can have a workshop on gender identity.

Deflection on the question around managerial responsibilities only work if its not about core elements of the company.

For the record, I object to mixed sex prisons and being legislated into a gender role based on my sex.

So rather than admit this entire thread is based on the now-boring bigotry that is rampant on mn,

The double down attack mode.

Safeguarding, the now-boring bigotry.

you'd rather accuse teenagers (because most of these actors that come in are very young themselves) of being sexual predators

The full on personalised attack mode.

Very Interesting.
You make a very emotional appeal about employees of whom you apparently have no first hand knowledge of.
Won't someone think of the children, being paid to be there, may not be the best emotional leverage.

You make the link teenagers to sexual predators.

As a matter of clarification when you write "teenagers" are you saying
a) 18 or 19 year old actor's who auditioned for the family sex show or
b) 18 or 19 year old actor's who are employed by the company to provide sex ed in schools?
b) 18 or 19 year old actor's who turned up at your school?

and go on a witch hunt.

Are you attributing management responsibilty to the staff who go into schools here?

The problem is the management of that company decided on an affiliation which resulted to the Family Sex Show being marketed to 5 year olds.

The company had an apparent disorderly replacement of the board in 2020, tone and policy are set by the management.

Arguing that they were not actively involved in the development of that show is one thing. Its possible they provided policy documents, initial training etc. and similar to the NSPCC the theater group is leveraging their reputation.

Arguing that they were actively involved but that people should ignore it when the policymakers got it wrong is something else entirety.

It reads like the comments section of a daily mail article

And the closing argument.
Do you have the paper delivered or just read it online for the comments.

@Trudij123 sadly I can’t!!

My DC is in the prep and these people came to the senior school. I didn’t know about it until I read the head’s letter on the Friday. I will ask about and see if I can get some parent perspectives.

Reading about the workshops - you don’t want children to be aware of consent, sexual violence and Sexual health?
They start at KS3 age so 11, and children that age need to be aware of consent.
They follow the government teaching guidance on the statutory Relationships, Sex and Health Education guidance. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1019542/Relationships_Education__Relationships_and_Sex_Education__RSE__and_Health_Education.pdf

Very well said.

Thanks @Organictangerine for raising this.
They are coming to my child's secondary school.
It looks to me like they were closely involved in the show, since they were doing a preshow workshop. I downloaded the webpage.
I'm not sure why any school would allow this group in.
They say they are "unembarrassable", but it seems like they have no boundaries, no inhibitions, no discretion.
@catgirl1976 would you be willing to share any points you had where they departed fro

... from guidelines?

Benjamin Boyce has done a run through of the theatre show and their website if that helps.

These people do not understand safeguarding and should be nowhere near kids

Thanks. I will have a look when I get a chance.