to ask if your child’s school is on this list?

[Organictangerine]

schoolofsexed.org/where

The School of Sexuality Education (which worked on the ‘Family Sex Show’) is apparently delivering sex ed in many schools across the U.K…

Given the organisation feels it appropriate that unvetted Twitter randoms strip naked to talk to 5 year olds about masturbation, not to mention their strong ‘gender’ ideology, I feel it important that MN users are made aware of this.

Interested in any thoughts as well.

@WonderfulYou

Absolutely. But the former is what this charity have endorsed - allowing non-professional strangers to expose themselves and talk about masturbation to small children.

Was this at a school?

The parents would have to give consent and if it wasn’t in a school they would have had to physically take them and sit with them so it’s not like it was sprung on them.

I personally wouldn’t want my DC around naked strangers as i too would feel uncomfortable and it’s hard to teach them to keep their private’s private when they see other people doing that but I assume they and the parents who consent do so because they want them to know that their bodies are normal and come in all shapes and sizes.

No, the event this bit refers to is a theatre show, advertising itself as a family show, about which the previous thread (linked to several times above, and I think started by the same poster under a different name; their style is very close) had a long discussion.

Fucking disgusting the child protection squad should be arresting these perverts

Looks like they are at Abbots Bromley private school if that helps anyone, not any of the schools in my town thankfully.

@mustlovegin

Our show was on consent and positive relationships but the family side of it it also looked at dv

Why can't we - as parents - talk to our children about consent, sex or 'positive body image'? What's preventing us from doing so? We are as qualified (if not more) than the facilitators in this charity. What exactly are their credentials? Who has endowed them with 'the truth'?

I am perfectly capable of researching this 'curriculum' and delivering the information to my children myself. I don't need help from any organisation, thank you very much (and I won't allow anyone to approach my children with this intent).

Because many many families don’t.

[quote DomesticatedZombie]Here's an excerpt from one of their podcasts [spelling/grammatical errors copied verbatim from the transcript, link at the bottom]:

'This all culminated in my friend, this woman in me, going back to my hotel room and having a threesome and it was awesome. He was very much they're in a like assistive capacity which he was very good at very happy to be in the role of and really at least from my memory what that night was about was me and this woman and me and this woman having sex and exploring each other me really realising very quickly and very passionately a lot of things about myself that I hadn't fully allowed myself to realise before. And I think that for a lot of folks with vulvas we are taught that our vulvas are gross they're disgusting they're slimy they're smelly they taste bad etc etc etc and I think that can make the act of having sex really scary because you don't want yours to be gross you you know for me at least even though I know it's not actually a thing that narrative of what if there is growth so what if I find there is gross like that sticks in your head especially in the midst of kind of thinking about having sex with another person with a vulva. Luckily this woman was so confident just kind of leading me through this experience that I didn't have time to stop and think about any of that I just did I just went with it. I have this really clear moment that I remember where I had my fingers in her vagina and I was listening to her and watching her enjoy herself and I just had this really clear OH '

thefamilysexshow.com/pleasure[/quote]
So ignoring that vaginismus treatment section was crappy, piecemeal and disjointed. The sex bit a pointless ramble or that uploading porn is seen as cool. Ignoring that having sex with all genders and types means male and heterosexual. Treating the man/co-worker/friend like a blowup doll or the cringe of a woman transforming into a person with a vulva.
I am ignoring any problematic bits.

Hands up
Asking for a MN poster friend

How many of the women (or men) here would think it's rudeness to go to work with a new hair cut (blue and butch) only to have a co-worker ask about your sex life?

How many (who don't think it's a rude question), would reply to the question with an announcement to a group of your co-workers that you are open to being asked for sex?

How many of you would expect another female co-worker to pipe up that she too was open to being asked to have sexual encounters?

And then you all go back to work?

I am not seeing MN user's having any problems with that at all, but please feel free do express an opinion.

No all English schools.

I’ve not RTFT, because it’s several pages long and 1am.
But - where did you get the idea they’re sitting naked talking to 5 year olds? Their website shows their school programme is for KS3 upwards and clearly breaks down what is taught when here: schoolofsexed.org/programme

The family sex show appears to be a touring theatre thing.

@mustlovegin there's nothing stopping you having that conversation, but that doesn't mean all will 🤨. And so what, we should just those kids whose parents who don't talk about it? Do we just let those kids go without? And look at the relationships board at the sheer number of woman still accepting shitty behaviour, you are deluding yourself if you think those women have no impact on the future relationships if their children.
When I was at school, it was passing contraception around a room so you could see what it looks like and being told it's ok to say no. It was informative but not empowering and trust me, when you are a 17 year old girl who had been taken 200 miles from home, unable to drive, and your parents thought you were at a friend's house, you were taken into a hotel room by a 26 year old man, you need to be empowered. I was not raped, I did everything of my own volition, but I didn't feel I had the right to.

Not my child's school thankfully!

Yup. They’ve been to my DC school.

Is anyone interested in creating a campaign? I’d like 10k signatures on it so it gets discussed in the fucking parliament

There is no school at the banana marked place in my area. It’s a parking lot 🤔

Their website shows their school programme is for KS3 upwards

Interesting because the school I know that's represented with a banana skin on the map is a primary.

And so what, we should just those kids whose parents who don't talk about it? Do we just let those kids go without?

The majority of parents of teens today are likely to be in their early fifties (or younger). Believe me that it's a myth that people in this age bracket are too embarrassed or not bothered enough to talk to their children about these issues. It's 2022, not 1950.

I'm sorry about what happened to you, but there is really no need for these organisations disseminating their doctrine in our schools.

Also, for those who have said we could ask for their script first, how do you know they would be sticking to it? It's incredibly naïve.

‘Organictangerine

Do you really think any schools would allow visitors to strip naked?

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry’

Me either, if you come in here just to make stuff up then don’t be expected to be taken seriously.

@Ahgoonyegirlye

‘Organictangerine

Do you really think any schools would allow visitors to strip naked?

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry’

Me either, if you come in here just to make stuff up then don’t be expected to be taken seriously.

What am I making up?

[quote Emmelina]I’ve not RTFT, because it’s several pages long and 1am.
But - where did you get the idea they’re sitting naked talking to 5 year olds? Their website shows their school programme is for KS3 upwards and clearly breaks down what is taught when here: schoolofsexed.org/programme[/quote]
@Emmelina

Age appropiate content.

If you were paid to stand on a stage to
• talk for 60 min about sex or
• act out a sex act or
• stripping naked and act for 5 min
would you do this in front of a 5 year old you did not know?

Would you stop and think a 5 year old's educational level of sex acts should be based around you are a child to nobody touches you and you don't them (in a sexual way)?

That other sex issues consent, pleasure, masturbation etc need to be approched very differently when you are talking to a 5 year old rather than a 15 year old?

That unlike a 15 year old telling a 5 year old details of the act of sexual reproduction is unnecessary, rather you will have a sister/brother usually covers how babies are made? Then let the 5 year old lead the conversation?

That 5 year olds should not be subjected to any sex acts, and that these are covered under no sexual contact?

After working your way down the governments guidence do you still have a 60 min show suitable for a 5 year old to learn about consent?

Its called reputational risk.

Eg. I will be very suprised if the nspcc don't issue a takedown notice of any of their branding.

The staff may be competent, professional, and well trained to deliver training. But this is not guilt by association this is a claim that the team members are active participants within the creation of the show.

When an organisation decides to lend their name and reputation to an event, they carry the consequences if things dont work out the way it was planned. That's why professional oversight is needed.

So were they involved in advertising for actors over twitter?
Note the advert tweet as written breached the legal standards and showed that they were going to be actively discriminating in their recruitment process.

If the organisation you are working with can't get the basics of how to hire right, how much trust do you place on the rest of their process?

If the staff involved in the theatre project did not say that clear different age appropiate modules are needed for a 5 year old and a 15 year old then that's a red flag. If staff failed to bring that to management for review that's a red flag. If the staff did its very relevant to ask how their current management responded.
Particularly as it looks as if all of the old directors in the LTD resigned in 2020 with a 2 month gap for a couple of them.

Why are schools using external organisations? Surely teachers can teach the content on the syllabus?

@Ahgoonyegirlye

‘Organictangerine

Do you really think any schools would allow visitors to strip naked?

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry’

Me either, if you come in here just to make stuff up then don’t be expected to be taken seriously.

So you think getting naked in front of an audience of 5 and above is wrong?

And that people that say other people are advertising this exact same theatre show are lying because it is so insane that surely, nobody would do this? Or buy in this theatre act?

Ok so that is a start.

Interestingly the opening page of the Family Sex Show starts off with 'get comfortable'. Oh right, comfortable?

thefamilysexshow.com/

Then we go straight to the naked theatre, show, accessible to all ages, containing nudity. Ages 5 and above. I've screenshot it for you.

I've done a search this morning and it seems some of the shows have been removed from the internet. So if this all fine and dandy there'd be no reason to remove them, right?

There is a reason that people have to go after companies that use grooming techniques, because they are grooming kids. If you haven't had experience in this delicate area, then fine but some of us have.

Perhaps if you stopped 'laughing or crying', wiped your eyes and stopped accusing people of making things up, you'd also be able to see what is going on in plain sight.

@AgathaMystery

Yup. They’ve been to my DC school.

As you seem to be the only person with any actual experience of them, can you put people’s minds at ease @AgathaMystery please?

As has been pointed out MANY times now, the banana skins/vulvas/clitoris’ are only pointing out the postcodes for the areas, not the actual school…

Two other posters' teenagers have been at a workshop, and one poster has worked with them and all had positive things to say

Sorry, I don't want to trawl through the thinly-veiled bigotry to find them

Do you really think any schools would allow visitors to strip naked?

A school recently called in visitors aka the police to strip search a child under their care (Child Q). Like many people, I never imagined a school in England would would allow that.

I think therefore that it's not unreasonable to be concerned about what some schools will and won't allow when they get caught up in a set of ideas or biases. Safeguarding is about preventing very unlikely but potentially catastrophic events from being able to happen, and involves fact-finding and discussion. I think drilling down into what some schools are allowing to happen without parents' informed consent is sensible, whether it be in person or via a film lens.

They sound a bit of a weird group.
By the way parents should remember they have a right to have children excluded from sex education lessons in school if they want to.
As most teenagers giggle and play with their phones and don't listen to most talks they are given there may not be too much to fear.