To be totally fed up with dogs?

[dogtroubl]

When we moved in, neighbours had an old dog that used to wander into our garden and leave poo everywhere. Couldn’t use garden with young kids due to mess and large dog.

Complained (politely), after quite a bit of unpleasantness fence finally fixed, dog died and they got 2 new dogs that were loud but contained.

Neighbours moved, new neighbours also have 2 dogs and fence is in a bad state of repair again due to the constant barking, snarling and scratching that happens every time we go outside. I always make sure I’m out there with the kids in case it breaks because they don’t sound friendly at all.

Their neighbours also have 2 dogs so the 2 sets are always setting each other off barking.

Family members also have dogs. One very old who soils everywhere and one very large, young dog who is very playful and jumps up and licks and dribbles all over you.

My daughter is terrified (the dog is easily as tall as her) and the family member always says dog will be shut away when we go over, but dog is always let or gets out soon after. I can tell my daughter’s fear of this dog irritates the family member but she’s genuinely scared after an incident when she was a toddler, plus this dog is like a horse to her and could do serious damage even with just a nip.

We’ve been to a few kids’ playgrounds over the holidays, dogs off lead and running all over the place at each one. Chasing kids in a “playful” way that scares them.

Dog poo all over footpaths and verges everywhere. Kids tread in it, I tread in it, buggy goes in it because I don’t see it until it’s too late.

I know it’s bad owners not the dogs’ fault etc but AIBU to just be totally fed up with dogs?

Your arguments are the ones which are totally irrational and ridiculous.
you probably have three dogs and refer to all of them as fur babies.
You probably let them off the lead and pay little attention to where they are and who they’re bothering.
Have a good day, bye.

Some small kids bite each other in childcare settings (and occasionally schools).

They don't however leave what they're doing in a park or when they are walking along with their parents and go and sink their teeth into the leg of a passing runner. Or jump up at them. Ever.

Realistically I know that human males are a bigger threat to me when I am out running than dogs However, I change my routes all the time to avoid dogs. All dog owners need to do is make sure their animals are properly trained and under control and not assume everyone else loves dogs. It's not that hard.

exactly

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Accurate

We are biased depending on our feelings towards the target.

If a naked human walked into your house and told you they’d just had a shit and not wiped their arse would you pat the sofa for them to sit on it and then rub their tummy?

And someone who hate kids could describe nappies full of diarrhea that leak, kids with snot that rubs everywhere and into other kids and people they are in contact with. Dirty hands full of who knows what touching everything in public.

If you hate dogs, you'll focus on all their negative traits, same with kids. It doesn't mean everyone should feel the same.

My experience is that they are shitty dog owners as they are shitty parents who raise kids who will become shitty adults, but thankfully the very vast majority are great.

Also, my experience has been exactly the opposite. I have a very very cute dog that solicits a lot of attention. Despite being small and totally harmless, I am aware that not everyone like or even tolerate dogs however cute they are so I always ensure they don't approach people. Yet people constantly come to let them without asking. I have no issue with it at all.

They are now 3 and I'm still to meet someone who shows any sign they are not happy being close to my dog, IE. those mners who make it very clear they despise dogs. Maybe it's a regional thing!

But a person who hates kids still doesn’t need to spend all their time outdoors dodging kids poo all over pavements and parks!
also don’t understand why a person who hates kids would even be on Mumsnet tbh!

Also - there are NO adults who are physically AFRAID of small children.
whereas there are MANY adults who are afraid of strange dogs. Some of them are even dog owners themselves. But are AFRAID of dogs they don’t know.

I would guess that not many people are too afraid of a small dog on a lead with a pleasant self-aware owner.
it’s the dogs that are out of control and 3 times bigger than my kids that come bounding out of nowhere with zero concern from the owner that give me huge anxiety.

But a person who hates kids still doesn’t need to spend all their time outdoors dodging kids poo all over pavements and parks!
No, but why are you comparing behaviours that are specific to dogs. There are many things kids that can be distressing to those who don't like them.

It doesn't apply to me, but I can appreciate that the world doesn't revolve around my own feelings only and that everyone can be triggered by very different things.

there are NO adults who are physically AFRAID of small children
I would indeed not think so but they are people made physically ill through the stress of children, for instance neighbours and they have nowhere else to go to avoid them.

it’s the dogs that are out of control and 3 times bigger than my kids that come bounding out of nowhere with zero concern from the owner that give me huge anxiety
And that I totally agree with, but let's focus on them then rather than talking about dogs in general.

Small or not, dogs do poo and then jump on sofa. I don't think that's anymore disgusting them when my kids came home full of snort and jump on the sofa before I had a chance to clean them, but that's family life, and my dog is part of the family. I'll add that I've never had dog poo on the sofa!

I mean …… One is literally your flesh and blood! Your species !! And the other is absolutely not (wolf descendant!) ……
I find it hard personally to understand how a person can put a CANINE in the same bracket as their HUMAN CHILDREN.
but hey we are all different. And see things very differently clearly.

One is literally your flesh and blood! Your species !! And the other is absolutely not (wolf descendant!) ……
That is not a factor that matters to me. They all have feelings, they all love me, I'm responsible for all.

I find it hard personally to understand how a person can put a CANINE in the same bracket as their HUMAN CHILDREN
To be honest I don't think about brackets. Of course if I had to save one, I would save my child, that's without a thought, but the likelihood of it is so non existent, it's not something I think about in every day life. I adore my dog a lot more than I ever imagined I would. It's just the way it is, I don't question it.

That’s absolutely your prerogative.
we are all different and all have valid feelings about subjects.

That’s absolutely your prerogative.
we are all different and all have valid feelings about subjects
But that's not what your posts imply. You insisted that it was crazy to think differently to you.

If you can now see that indeed, people can love dogs and not just consider them as smelly disgusting wild animals, then that's great.

I'm afraid you're only demonstrating your lack of understanding of nuance and rational argument.

And you're incorrect on all counts, ftr.

please show me where I insisted it was crazy to think differently to me …….
And also if you can also learn that not everyone loves dogs the way you do, then also great.

Literally no one here thinks everyone loves dogs. You're making that up.

The issue is what are the reasonable expectations of those who don't love dogs.

Is it reasonable to expect that dog poo is picked up? Of course. Is it reasonable that dogs are not permitted to harass other people? Of course.

But many posters here go further - they complain about other people's pet dogs in their own home (none of their business) or complain that dogs exist in public spaces at all (e.g. pubs, cafes, shops) or complain that dogs are permitted off lead in parks even when they are under control. Those complaints are not reasonable.

What is reasonable to you, may be unreasonable to someone else.
Peoples opinions are formed by their own personal experiences.
Ultimately some people cannot tolerate dogs for many valid reasons.
others literally consider dogs as their family - also for valid reason.

🙄Ok cool

It’s absolutely disgusting and inexcusable! It’s all over the place isn’t it. Just horrendous.

But many posters here go further - they complain about other people's pet dogs in their own home (none of their business) or complain that dogs exist in public spaces at all (e.g. pubs, cafes, shops) or complain that dogs are permitted off lead in parks even when they are under control. Those complaints are not reasonable

I agree with the first one.

The second one is reasonable because all of those places are workplaces. I should not have to put up with dogs because eg I work in a clothes shop. Different if I choose to work in a pet shop. As dogs are even being allowed in offices now, people are finding their choices of employment being reduced.

And the third one is open to discussion. Personally I don't think any off-lead dog is under control unless it is very highly trained eg a police dog. However, most dogs sniff around and mind their own business. If yours is one of the ones that doesn't, it should be on a short lead at all times.

here are MANY adults who are afraid of strange dogs. Some of them are even dog owners themselves. But are AFRAID of dogs they don’t know.

Indeed. And even if you are of the dog owner ilk who thinks everyone should love your fur baby, maybe you can accept that your dog shouldn't bother other dogs or animals, even if you don't care about other humans.

All of this. 💯

Of course people can disagree with what's reasonable and what's not. But that's sort of the point of discussion.

I consider those who are obnoxious about other people's dogs in their own homes, those who object to dogs being allowed in venues that have chosen to allow them, and those who object to dogs being off lead in parks even if they are under control to be unreasonable.

No one here is arguing that the other things - not picking up poo or allowing dogs to harass or attack others - are reasonable, so that's really not even a debate.

I'm not sure why you think someone who chooses to work in a Pet Shop should have to 'put up with' dogs, but someone who chooses to work in another dog-friendly workplace should not.

If you want to work in a clothes shop and don't want to be around dogs, then work in one of the many that do not allow dogs. But if a clothes shop chooses to allow dogs, they are and should be entirely entitled to do so.

And of course no employee can avoid being near dogs entirely in the workplace, unless they want to exclude service dogs.