Rishi Sunak’s wife is NOT elected OR in a public role but she is a woman

[BigGreenSpacehopper]

Have you noticed that Zac Goldsmith (elected), Mark Carney (role of significance to all of us as Govenor of the Bank of England), 4th Viscount Rothmere (controlling shareholder and Chair of the Daily Mail) all have non Dom status but no mention is really made. However, a woman, who has no public role, has never said anything public, is being criticised for her non Dom status?

And yes she’s getting massive dividends but I imagine as it’s family money there is a massive pre-nup in place so it’s not like Rishi will be able to run off with it!

@Blossomtoes

OK *@JaniieJones*, let’s talk about discharging untested people into care homes and killing tens of thousands of old people. Or spending £37 billion on a useless Test and Trace system - most of which went into Baroness Harding’s pocket. Or the plethora of VIP lane contracts awarded to Tory allies. Or the acute shortage of PPE. Let me know if you want any more, there’s plenty where that came from.

Hospitals were high risk areas of course they wanted patients discharged. Those discharged were clinically ready. Should they have been kept in? Nursing homes had a responsibility to implement strict infection control measures as they would anyone being discharged from hospital.

You seriously think £36b went into Baroness harding's pocket? Wow that's a rather serious allegation. Going by the massive numbers of people tested (second highest in Europe www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ ) and contacts traced it was wasn't 'useless' was it.

We'll have to agree to disagree on ppe. I know many people who work in the NHS and ppe didn't run out despite what the media told you. Of course there was a shortage, there was pandemic.

'Wait, are we now pretending that the UK handled covid well despite having the biggest death toll in Europe?'

www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/

Party gate is about breaking legislation and then deliberately misleading Parliament. Nobody thinks it was about cake.

Women - agree Labour have it wrong but what support do the Conservatives provide to vulnerable women - women already in poverty? disabled women? Or carers (1.4 million people of whom 58% are women)? Let's not pretend Conservatives are friends to all women. I know many on MN have the luxury (it seems) of basing their vote on a single issue but I don't know whether that will carry when peoples living standards drop even lower. Autumn & winter are going to be desperate for many people but especially those that are already struggling.

let’s talk about discharging untested people into care homes and killing tens of thousands of old people.

This one was a bit double-edged though - killing off tens of thousands who potentially used the NHS heavily - a good money saver.
Killing off older votes - who tend to vote Tory - not quite so clever.

I know many people who work in the NHS and ppe didn't run out despite what the media told you

My stepdaughter who’s an ITU nurse told me. She and her colleagues worked 13 hour shifts without a break because there wasn’t enough PPE for them to have a break outside the unit and put on a new set. There was none for lower risk wards, staff were just wearing plastic aprons.

That insane discharge policy killed tens of thousands of old people. And you defend it? Seriously?

Yes, anyone claiming Johnson is in trouble for 'just eating a bit of cake' can have their views readily dismissed. They know damn well it's not about that.

Hospitals were high risk areas of course they wanted patients discharged. Those discharged were clinically ready. Should they have been kept in? Nursing homes had a responsibility to implement strict infection control measures as they would anyone being discharged from hospital.

I have an elderly relative in a home, she has advanced dementia. The hospital released someone to her home and the home weren't even told he was positive. The home was excellent but how do you stop someone with dementia from spreading it? You can't restrain him, you can't lock him in his room. So he would wander if he got half a chance and he spread it through the home.

It is very unfair to blame the home for that. There are laws about deprivation of liberty or do you think the home should have just locked people in their rooms for months on end?

'That insane discharge policy killed tens of thousands of old people. And you defend it? Seriously?'

I'm not defending anything I am stating facts. Peopel were ready for discharge and nursing homes should have been safe places with infection control measure in place. We know the virus was more deadly for the frail and elderly so sadly whether in hospital or a home I doubt it would have made much difference.

I know many people who work in critical care yet not one worked a 13hr shift in full ppe without a break. That is awful.

@JaniieJones

'That insane discharge policy killed tens of thousands of old people. And you defend it? Seriously?'

I'm not defending anything I am stating facts. Peopel were ready for discharge and nursing homes should have been safe places with infection control measure in place. We know the virus was more deadly for the frail and elderly so sadly whether in hospital or a home I doubt it would have made much difference.

I know many people who work in critical care yet not one worked a 13hr shift in full ppe without a break. That is awful.

Could you explain how the infection control should have worked when an elderly man with dementia was released from hospital with covid. He couldn't understand why he was required to stay in his room, there weren't enough staff to have one to one care 24/7, he couldn't be locked in his room.

I'm sure lots of care home would welcome your advice.

I know many people who work in critical care yet not one worked a 13hr shift in full ppe without a break. That is awful

Yes, it was awful. Yet you’re casting doubt on it. 🤷‍♀️

@Blossomtoes

I know many people who work in critical care yet not one worked a 13hr shift in full ppe without a break. That is awful

Yes, it was awful. Yet you’re casting doubt on it. 🤷‍♀️

One of my kids is a nurse, regularly worked 90 hour weeks through the pandemic until they caught covid and had to have some time off. The whole thing was brutal.

'I know many people who work in the NHS and ppe didn't run out despite what the media told you'

PPE was not provided in many areas at the beginning of the pandemic- care homes, GPs. Also, the PPE that was provided was totally inadequate (thin masks were deemed adequate on Covid wards and all the staff contracted Covid as a result). You many feel that you know many people who work in the NHS but you clearly don't work for it yourself so have no real handle on the situation at all.
The Torys handled the whole pandemic incredibly poorly.

'Could you explain how the infection control should have worked when an elderly man with dementia was released from hospital with covid. He couldn't understand why he was required to stay in his room, there weren't enough staff to have one to one care 24/7, he couldn't be locked in his room.'

He wouldn't have been locked in his room in hospital either. Hospitals and care homes were high traffic areas, the frail and vulnerable were always going to sadly have a much higher death toll but this blaming discharging people from hospitals for the deaths would seem crazy.

They were high risk wherever they were, unless of course family were able to care for them at home.

They were high risk wherever they were

Indeed. So why send them into care homes without testing to infect all the existing residents? Christ, they got the Nightingales up fast enough, there was no need for it at all. If only someone with half a brain had been running the DoH.

@Blossomtoes

I know many people who work in the NHS and ppe didn't run out despite what the media told you

My stepdaughter who’s an ITU nurse told me. She and her colleagues worked 13 hour shifts without a break because there wasn’t enough PPE for them to have a break outside the unit and put on a new set. There was none for lower risk wards, staff were just wearing plastic aprons.

That insane discharge policy killed tens of thousands of old people. And you defend it? Seriously?

The Nasty party fan club got to nasty. It is nice that they are so open about it.

@Blossomtoes

They were high risk wherever they were

Indeed. So why send them into care homes without testing to infect all the existing residents? Christ, they got the Nightingales up fast enough, there was no need for it at all. If only someone with half a brain had been running the DoH.

I think it is important to remember that part of the problem was with testing and the Health Secretary's bizarre obsessions with the number of tests taken and outsourcing testing to companies that had no idea what a test was, rather than using the main skilled professionals in the NHS who were already carrying out similar tests.

Yes, Hancock’s obsession with reinventing the wheel was utterly bizarre. Why did nobody stop him?

@Blossomtoes

Yes, Hancock’s obsession with reinventing the wheel was utterly bizarre. Why did nobody stop him?

I am also still utterly puzzled by the continued obsession by some in measuring the number of tests put in the post as some kind of measure of success. Surely a better measure of success would be the number of people infected, or perhaps the number of excess deaths?

Or the number of genuinely infected and their contacts traced? Not just 'how many tests can this Lab crank out'?

It is being reported that 1/4 of the staff in Downing Street broke the law during lockdowns, but Big Dog did not know anything about it.

Was NoTax sent out as a giant squirrel?

@JaniieJones

'Could you explain how the infection control should have worked when an elderly man with dementia was released from hospital with covid. He couldn't understand why he was required to stay in his room, there weren't enough staff to have one to one care 24/7, he couldn't be locked in his room.'

He wouldn't have been locked in his room in hospital either. Hospitals and care homes were high traffic areas, the frail and vulnerable were always going to sadly have a much higher death toll but this blaming discharging people from hospitals for the deaths would seem crazy.

They were high risk wherever they were, unless of course family were able to care for them at home.

The difference was he was already in hospital, moving him to a care home introduced the virus to a home that had escaped it up till then. The staff had left their families and moved in to keep the residents safe.

For people to then say the homes should have had infection control implying it was their fault is beyond unreasonable.

@jgw1

It is being reported that 1/4 of the staff in Downing Street broke the law during lockdowns, but Big Dog did not know anything about it.

Was NoTax sent out as a giant squirrel?

I just read another 30 fines issued on top of the previous 20. Investigation still ongoing. I wonder if they will reach 3 figures?

I just read another 30 fines issued on top of the previous 20. Investigation still ongoing. I wonder if they will reach 3 figures?

It was just a work meeting that happened to have singing and cake.

I expect the person who sets tax to have all their tax arrangements and any that they benefit from to be in the UK. That means household income.

I also expect the chancellor to follow the ministerial code on declaring this and any green card status (or similar). Given that green card holders are not permitted to be members of foreign governments, I would also expect that to be respected from any member of our Cabinet.

I would think the same with a female chancellor with a husband or a gay/lesbian chancellor cos I'm all equal ops on that.

Ultimately household income and sources are taken into consideration for numerous financial and tax issues for the rest of us. I don't see why being ultra rich should give you a get out clause where this isnt the case. Theres stuff like benefit fraud and cohabitation too.

Is Sunak cohabiting with his wife? Yes.
Is No11 a holiday home? No.
Does tax avoidance by the chancellors household look dodgy as fuck and tone deaf to those struggling financially? Hell yes.

He should go.

I'm not defending anything I am stating facts. Peopel were ready for discharge and nursing homes should have been safe places with infection control measure in place

Almost all CH's & adult social care agencies are outside of the NHS and very quickly ran out of PPE, they had no means to have suitable infection control measures in place, also not everyone discharged from a hospital or into a CH is old and frail.

My DD regularly refers relatively young people into the charge of private CH's and adult social care.

Once again your knowledge is sadly lacking.

'Indeed. So why send them into care homes without testing to infect all the existing residents?'

Because we only had targeted testing in March 2020. So only those deemed high risk with complex medical problems and symptoms were tested. Going from 3k tests in March to 100k in Apr then 1m weeks after was pretty good going. Better than many other countries.

Should everyone have been kept captive in hospital for a month until more testing available? Then they would have certainly caught it and sadly died anyway.

'The Nasty party fan club got to nasty. It is nice that they are so open about it'

The nasty party fan club, oh dear. The desperation to insult! I'm not in a fan club and they aren't a big smelly nasty party either.

They did well in the pandemic better than Jezza or Keith would have had a hope of and Bozo is doing brilliantly supporting Ukraine. I know it must sting. You can but hope Pippa/Dom and Brand dig out those 'waayyyy better snaps from the flat party soon. The suspense!