Are we taking bets yet on when mass civil unrest will begin re. Cost of living?

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Having frozen my backside off these past two days as I'm terrified to have the heating on longer than an hour a day, I'm thinking that this will be utterly intolerable come next Winter. Will there be mass civil unrest and the guillotine rolled out while the affluent are targeted by the desperate and those with nothing left to loose?

I agree with what you've said but the pedant in me feels bound to point out that it isn't borrowing per se which is the issue. The French (for example) are happy to borrow but they invest far more in captial infrastructure and education so they are more productive.

Now if we: invested a lot, long term, in capital infrastructure, education and healthcare, taxed the rich a bit more, regulated inefficient markets better and put aside money for crises such as this- just think where we'd be in a few decades.

@donquixotedelamancha, so agree.

the Tories are the overwhelming favourites to win the next general election

That’s not what the polls say.

www.markpack.org.uk/155623/voting-intention-opinion-poll-scorecard/

I am not affiliated to any political party, but realistically, what do you think labour would do differently regarding the economy and cost of living if they were in power?

Honestly hand on heart I think it’s a no win situation for whoever is in government.

What measures would you expect labour, or other, to take that would make a significant difference and importantly, how would they fund it?

[quote Blossomtoes]the Tories are the overwhelming favourites to win the next general election

That’s not what the polls say.

www.markpack.org.uk/155623/voting-intention-opinion-poll-scorecard/[/quote]
Unfortunately the next GE isn't this week.

Given that we're at the point in the cycle where the in situ government is usually at it's least popular, and still the Tories are polling at 33-37%, I'd say that it's pretty much a nailed-on certainty that come 2024 the UK public will yet again shit the bed, buy into the Mail's bullshit about 'Rishi's' tax cut for 'hard working' (do lazy shits not pay taxes then?) people, take as read whatever personal hitjob the papers decide to run on Starmer, and elect whichever completely inadequate gonk happens to be leading the Tories at the time.

Landslide if, yet again, the entire Tory campaign consists of nothing but endless smears about how terrible Labour are.

Tories are the overwhelming favourites to win the next general election.
Honestly, I just don't know what they'd have to do for people to stop voting for them. Tory poverty, lies, corruption, awash with Russian money, and they'll just point at some immigrants or people on benefits or environmental campaigners or something and say it's all their fault and the voting public will nod, agree and vote Tory again. You just couldn't even make it up.
I wonder if the Daily Mail will have some scapegoat on the cover to throw some Tory voter hate at to distract from the damage Johnson and co have done and are continuing to do.

[quote Blossomtoes]the Tories are the overwhelming favourites to win the next general election

That’s not what the polls say.

www.markpack.org.uk/155623/voting-intention-opinion-poll-scorecard/[/quote]
Bookies have the Tories at 4/6 and Labour at 6/4. And that's now, when everyone is pissed off about the state of the country.

"Half the country will be too busy "but labouring" and asking why starmer had failed to hold the gov to account and bring to blame for rising costs"
I'm sure they will. And if people are saying "but Labour..." the fault lies entirely with the Labour party. Not with the people.

Soon I hope.

I agree Labour need to sort themselves out

At the moment the simple question being put forward is what is a woman and they are tying themselves into knots trying to answer and pleasing a small group of people

Starmer isn’t leading the polls in a way he should be he needs a bit more fight in him not sit there shaking his head looking disgusted when Johnson once again made some ridiculous remark

The Tories have the best excuse ever Covid that things are tough. They ate certainly not written off for the next election be foolish to think they are

Oh well, if the bookies say that … Ffs, are people genuinely this ridiculous?

@Watermelon44

I am not affiliated to any political party, but realistically, what do you think labour would do differently regarding the economy and cost of living if they were in power?

Honestly hand on heart I think it’s a no win situation for whoever is in government.

What measures would you expect labour, or other, to take that would make a significant difference and importantly, how would they fund it?

Are you not noticing life getting shitter and shitter around you? And it was better under Labour, largely?

Everything that holds our society together has been cut to the bone by the Tories - not because of covid or whatever, but because it's what they believe in. This is "small government". Made worse by the fallout from Brexit, which people just don't want to face for some reason.

Yes, Labour would do it better. I'm not a Jeremy Corbyn fan, but at least he gave a shit about people. This current lot are fucking psychopathic. They're flushing our children's futures down the drains and you're all voting for them. It's mind boggling and makes me ashamed of humanity tbh.

I don’t think the bookies predicted the Tories landslide

Or the Brexit vote

And it’s known the people are less forthcoming about voting Conservative and

@Blossomtoes

Oh well, if the bookies say that … Ffs, are people genuinely this ridiculous?

I know, I could weep.

I am really angry that so many are in this situation . Wouldn’t it also be a good idea to make sure that everyone votes in the May local elections. It might actually make them sit up and think if they lose lots of Tory council seats . Especially if you are in a marginal . My twins have just turned 18 - and will be voting for the first time. We are a Marginal Tory/Lib Dem constituency and every vote will make a difference here. I also hope that the opposition work together on this .

I don’t think people will riot.

The NHS has been fucked for years. People have already died due to the NHS having not enough staff, money, beds, whatever. Nobody is rooting over that so why are you expecting riots over costs? We accept ridiculous waiting lists of months and years from the NHS. We accept cancelled operations and the cheapest possible treatments, which clinicians are instructed or brainwashed to say are best. Hardly anyone can get NHS dental care. People pull their own teeth.

Instead of rioting, people actually draw fucking rainbows! And either pretend or actually think the NHS is wonderful.

@Thisisconfusing

I am really angry that so many are in this situation . Wouldn’t it also be a good idea to make sure that everyone votes in the May local elections. It might actually make them sit up and think if they lose lots of Tory council seats . Especially if you are in a marginal . My twins have just turned 18 - and will be voting for the first time. We are a Marginal Tory/Lib Dem constituency and every vote will make a difference here. I also hope that the opposition work together on this .

Absolutely. I’m out of the UK on 5 May but I’m sure as hell having a postal vote. It doesn’t matter how you vote as long as it’s not Tory.

There’s a lot of very interesting data about when people riot. There is (I think) a statistic about the exact rise in the price of bread that has historically led to massive unrest in countries.

I do think Britain is just not psychologically built for riot and rebellion. Throughout history it’s been shown time and time again we just don’t have the stomach or the demographics or geography for it to create the kind of dramatic change that other countries have demonstrated time and time again. It’s fascinating, I’m obsessed with the way countries differ in this way.

But it does matter how people vote

Because if it’s not Labour or some places LD the Tories will hold on

And will certainly matter come a GE

OP,
you're not the only one foresing rioting and civil unrest in the uk -

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-24/u-k-s-wealth-gap-and-housing-costs-risk-civil-unrest-bnp-says?srnd=premium-europe

"foreseeing"

@newyearnewwname2022 same!! And the price of bread thing goes wayyyyy back!

I dunno though, the tories seem to be making themselves unpopular on purpose (surely) and people are getting desperate. In my job I have a lot of conversations with jo public and the tides are turning even for people that defended the tories before

newyearnewwname2022 I find it interesting too

We are quite a compliant country that’s why we didn’t have to bring in restrictions around vaccinations. We will moan about it but that’s about it

And I genuinely don’t know why anyone would still vote Tory after what has been done since 2019 ( and before ) . It is all very well people saying that Labour would do no better but that really isn’t a good reason for voting yet again for the Tories. By re-electing them you are basically reinforcing the idea that is doesn’t matter what they do to the general public you will still vote for them. And frankly they haven’t delivered on so many promises just why would anyone vote for more of the same.

@ILoveAllRainbowsx said:
Everyone who works should have to pay towards a decent insurance scheme. If everyone had to do it it wouldn't cost very much at all.

Wow, what a great idea. We could call it …er… NATIONAL INSURANCE!!!

People's Assembly hold nationwide rallies most weekends. There is s National Demo organised by the TUC on 18 June www.unitetheunion.org/news-events/events/save-the-date-tuc-national-demonstration/

@notwhatineednow absolutely