Porn star martini Pizza Express

[Flour8977]

Why are Pizza Express advertising 'Porn Star Martinis' on every table at their restaurants? AIBU to find this disgusting for a family restaurant? I don't really wish to explain to my 6 year old what it is.

....... Hardly comparable but you have heard of Negronis?......

@blossomtoes these are named after a person

Honestly wish I had so little to worry about in life that this could rile me up.

I have kids, I have shock ordered a Pornstar Martini in front of them and they've never once asked me what a pornstar is. In the same way, they've never asked me what a Merlot is or a Daiquiri is.

It's fine if you don't like the name or think it's appropriate, but projecting the issue onto kids who will most likely be less than interested in what is on a Pizza Express sign is ridiculous.

@AskingforaBaskin

Totally agree.

Then maybe you should also learn to control your facial expressions because it's that that's telling them an issue - not a word they don't know
Exactly

There is a ridiculous trend of righteous posters believing that if they keep drilling a point home to those who disagree then they will see the light. I have read and understood every post.
Same, I have read and understood every post I just don't agree with them!

And once they do know the word and what it means, and connect it back to the drink their mum orders? That won't normalise the idea of porn for them in any way? Of course it will.

I have to say, in all my years of drinking pornstar martini's, i've never thought, "hang on, this cocktail wants me to appear in a porn film !"

@Lavenderlid

And once they do know the word and what it means, and connect it back to the drink their mum orders? That won't normalise the idea of porn for them in any way? Of course it will.

And by that age they should have the critical thinking ability to separate the two.

Coke - nothing to do with drugs
Spotted dick- does not contain any penis
toad in the hole - lacks all amphibians

If they do bring it up it's easy to explain marketing and how the name of a brand Does not transfer to other similar names things

@chattycaterpillar

I have to say, in all my years of drinking pornstar martini's, i've never thought, "hang on, this cocktail wants me to appear in a porn film !"

As I say, the level of critical thinking and debate on here is seriously shit.

Again we can see and understand your argument we just don't agree.

Can you please provide one example of this drink leading to a direct path of porn for an actual child?

Can you please provide one example of this drink leading to a direct path of porn for an actual child?

And - once again - the level of critical thinking on here is seriously shit.

@AskingforaBaskin

Again we can see and understand your argument we just don't agree.

Can you please provide one example of this drink leading to a direct path of porn for an actual child?

Exactly. There's nothing wrong with our "critical thinking and level of debate."

I've never known a child look at a cocktail menu in a restaurant and consider a career in porn.

I thought young people tended to get into porn because of a history of child sex abuse and child sex exploitation, financial deprivation, online grooming, coercion and the existence of platforms like only fans etc. I didn't really see the Pizza Express cocktail menu being a deciding factor.

FML.

It not about kids getting into porn.

It’s about them being exposed to porn.

Because it’s been normalised, thanks to a load of people with nothing better to do than drink porn star martinis.

And there’s a lot wrong with your critical thinking skills. Believe me.

Do you actually think that going into porn as a career is the only way that pornography negatively impacts the lives of young people today? Seriously?

@NurseBernard

Can you please provide one example of this drink leading to a direct path of porn for an actual child?

And - once again - the level of critical thinking on here is seriously shit.

You keep posting this. And I think it makes you look quiet stupid and that you can no longer develop your argent against the counter points being raised.

It's seriously not making NurseBernard look stupid. Keep posting

@NurseBernard

But most children already know what porn is and many are already watching it. For those that are under the age of, say 10, it's likely to be just a word with no meaning at all.

Porn isn't going anywhere soon and this isn't normalising anything. At the age of 18 (or before for some) they'll already be in bars and will be able to order one. Unless you're suggesting that the drink be renamed across the board.

I don’t need to ‘develop my argument’.

The stupid just keeps on coming.

For those that are under the age of, say 10, it's likely to be just a word with no meaning at all.

Yes, if you have a spectacularly stupid, uninquisitive kid.

If a child under 10 is aware of porn then again explain that not all words that are the same have the same definition in every instance.

This is a drink. It's market audience is women and it's very popular. They name attracts customer and makes the business money.

The drink is not going anywhere. Children have and will continue to be exposed to it and I guarantee in the real world there are not enough people who see this as a problem to actually get it changed.

It’s honestly becoming very clear why some people are worried about their kids seeing promo material about this, and some aren’t.

I’m surprised by the extent some of you are willing to throw your numbnuts kids under the bus. OK, we get it. They’re really stupid.

@NurseBernard

Ok, so in the case where very young children know what porn is, how does this normalise the industry or pornstars in any way. It perhaps exposes children to the word but nothing else really.

And if these children are already inquisitive, as you say, then they're likely to have used a browser to see what it is. I read about a 7 year old who was able to easily bypass parental controls and watch porn on a tablet. Research suggests that most kids by the age of 11 have, or are watching porn.

Given we're just talking about Pizza Express now, I very much doubt a flyer advertising a cocktail is a significant contributor to kids being exposed to the word Pornstar.

Yes, sadly, in the “real world” there are not enough people who care enough about the impacts of porn culture to do anything about it. Even if they make occasional horrified noises at the latest “rough sex game gone wrong” death defence, or the harassment of young girls, or the increasing trend for men to want to choke or slap women during sex.

Baskin, you seem to be really remarkably unable to understand the big picture here. You also seem stuck on the idea of “going into porn”, but the issue is not that - the issue is the market for misogynist porn. As long as it gets presented as harmless and cheeky and saucy and normal, then men and boys will think it’s fine to watch, and young women will be pressured into watching it, condoning it, and acting it out - even if that encourages all of society to view women as marketable sex-flesh objects to be choked, spat on and verbally abused.

Money, I see - brands, markets, selling stuff to people and “business” is more important to you than ethics. That is, unfortunately, exactly what the world is like. Porn makes money catering to men at women’s expense, and other industries cash in on normalising the culture that porn is OK. Profit is much more important than misogyny and women and girls, and it’s absolutely fine to ignore the connections if the gods of Business and Market are invoked.

‘‘Twas ever thus and you demonstrate it oh so very, very effectively.

@NurseBernard. You are spectacularly patronising and rude

And the social pressures on women to be okay with porn are very aptly demonstrated in this thread.

I invite anyone unsure to visit the front page of pornhub and watch a few videos. Then come back and tell us that you feel comfortable with that culture being used as a marketing tool to sell drinks.