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DS (5) ASD eating items before we have paid for them

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Mouk · 30/03/2022 20:38

I live near a small supermarket. For the past 7 years. It is 2 minute walk away and we have always encountered polite employees in this supermarket. I'm actually close pals with one of them. We'll call her Susan. The manager, we'll call Tom and the employee who spoke to me today, we'll call him Dave.

My son (5) enjoys accompanying me to the shop and his little routine is that he picks up a Fruit Shoot (takes the lid off) and sips on it, we then go to the ice cream freezer and he selects one, I remove the wrapper and hand the ice to him. I then place the wrapper in my basket and we continue on around the shop. When we get to the till I place all the items on the counter and pay. The cashiers always smile and offer to place the wrapper in the bin behind the tills. We have done this for at least 2 years. The staff are always friendly to my son and myself and my daughter (8) too.

Today we went over to the shop for a few items. As usual my son got his fruit shoot and his ice cream, I kept a hold of the empties and duly paid for all my items at the till (as I always do). I have never stolen anything in my whole life and don't have a criminal record. Go me! At the ripe old age of 45 I'm not gonna start now. At the till, the gentleman serving me remarked that my 2 litre container of milk was leaking. After paying he said I could go back down to the milk fridge and select a different one. I did so.

As I was selecting the milk, employee Dave approached me and said "Just to let you know, you can't do that anymore - you cannot eat items before paying for them" He of course was referencing my non verbal son but talking to me. I said "I'm sorry, I didn't know that". I then said that my son was autistic and it was his routine. Dave said "that doesn't matter, you still can't be doing that". I then said "he's 5, it's not hurting anyone". Dave said "it's what the big boss man has said". I said ok, and we left the store with the items we had paid for. I went bright red and actually felt like a criminal. When I think back, when we walked in Tom looked over at us and made eye contact with me - perhaps I'm being paranoid in hindsight.

I rang Susan afterwards to get her opinion. She is astonished that I was treated that way. She said I'm one of the long time regulars and if they had a problem with this, then why didnt they say something before now. I asked her if this was a rule. There is a secondary school 4 minutes walk away and they do not allow the teens to eat what they have purchased inside the shop as they have to limit the numbers at lunchtimes or the shop would be jam packed with students. They allow about 10 in at any one time. She said it's different with younger kids or so she thought.

I'll add that us shopping at this small supermarket has greatly helped my son with his social skills. He's learned road safety on our walk there. He knows we have to queue up to pay. He's able to walk around the shop with me without needing to hold my hand, he's no longer a flight risk, FGS he even knows how to social distance in a queue from our outings to this wonderful shop.

Susan has advised me to approach Tom politely on Monday when he's next there and ask to clarify a few things in a private area. Not in view of the general public. I wish I would have been awarded some privacy today when Dave spoke to me. Anyone could have overheard, I regularly bump into my neighbours at this shop.

  1. Will it be ok for us to pay for the fruit shoot and ice cream, let my son eat and drink them while we shop, then I get to the till and purchase the rest of my items.
  1. Will I always be looked at with suspision?
  1. Is my son welcome in the shop. What is their policy on people with a disability. Hidden or otherwise.

YABU? (It's effectively stealing the item (i.e. eating it) before paying - son will just have to learn.
YANBU? He's 5 years old and is autistic. It's his little routine and we always pay. Manager needs to cop himself on.

OP posts:
CheekySwifter · 31/03/2022 12:56

Sorry OP, hadn't read your later post. Ignore my pp as you've already said you will start a new routine.

MrsSkylerWhite · 31/03/2022 12:57

Do you think he would cope with a smaller Morrison’s store, if you have one nearby? They offer free fruit for children to eat as their parents shop.

koalalala · 31/03/2022 13:08

I let me 2 year old eat in the trolly while I shop but I take him a snack with me so he's eating something from home... I always worry they'll think it's from the shop!

Personally don't see any issue as you pay for it. It's absolutely not theft as there is no intention to permanently deprive and no dishonesty.

Shop somewhere else if they're going to be difficult!

TheOriginalEmu · 31/03/2022 13:12

I would pay for his stuff first then go around the shop for other things. I would never have started his routine in this way as it’s just not how shops work.

Momijin · 31/03/2022 13:12

My kids used to do this but I understand why they don't want it happening. Bring your own snack to give him - sorted

PukkaP · 31/03/2022 13:16

I have an autistic child, and I can understand why this routine works for you, but I think you're being unreasonable. It simply isn't OK to consume things before you've paid for them. It's beyond me why anyone would consider this acceptable behaviour.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 31/03/2022 13:30

@Quackpot

What if you got to the checkout and had no means to pay? What happens then? What if you have no cash and your card is declined, or visa is down and it's cash only? Or youve forgotten your purse? It's stealing, however you dress it up, and it's wrong to teach kids it's ok. I've worked in a supermarket, you wouldn't believe the amount of half eaten food staff find hidden behind the tins or whatever.
This is NOT stealing.

Stealing is the intention to permanently deprive the owner..

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 31/03/2022 13:34

This is NOT stealing.

Stealing is the intention to permanently deprive the owner..

Well she's not planning on giving the eaten icecream back is she.

use257 · 31/03/2022 19:17

Can't you bring snacks with you?

HikingforScenery · 31/03/2022 19:26

I would seize this opportunity to reach your DC about paying for goods before consuming them. He’s got to learn sometime. It might be easier now with him being younger.

SafelySoftly · 31/03/2022 19:49

I really don’t think that getting into a habit of buying a fruit shoot and an ice cream on a regular basis is good for any child. A monthly treat at most!

And as many have said it’s not appropriate to not pay for them before your child eats them.

melj1213 · 31/03/2022 22:59

The problem is that, for every customer who opens something on the way round the shop and pays for it with the rest of their shopping, there's 5 more customers who open things on the way round and don't pay for them. I work in a supermarket and the amount of opened wrappers/chicken bones and other empty bags from the rotisserie/open drinks bottles/ripped open multipacks etc shop staff find every day is astounding.

Unfortunately staff can't pick and choose who they apply the rules to and we do not want to encourage people to be grazing while they shop -

especially as some people see no difference between letting their kid have a bag of crisps from their multipack and a punnet of grapes that is paid for by weight - and so you've been very lucky that nobody had mentioned anything before now.

Equally there is a difference between someone who comes in regularly and eats/drinks something (or gives their kids something) as a one off because they felt faint/the kids were getting fractious etc and someone who comes in and eats/drinks unpaid for items every single visit. A one off we would let slide but if someone did it every single visit then our loss prevention staff would be having a quiet word in the same way Dave did to you, OP - it wouldn't be a big public telling off, it would just be a quiet "We would prefer it if you paid for your items before consuming them in future, please".

iloveyellow · 01/04/2022 15:19

@Morechocmorechoc

We do this at sainsburys and my kids don't have autism. It just makes shopping easier with little ones. They sit and eat in the trolley and I shop. At the end I pay. Been doing it for 4 years, nobody cares. As you say it isn't hurting. People are so precious about everything these days it's getting absurd.
I do this too
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