to think Will Smith should be stripped of his Oscar?

[BloodyloveGeorge]

The Academy is supposed to have a code of conduct ( post Weinstein) so can take his Oscar away.
Given that this was a blatant assault, and a clear case of toxic masculinity at it's worst, he should lose his Oscar. He's not a role model, his behaviour isn't something that should be celebrated. There should be consequences for this example of violence.
Even a 6 year old knows you can't punch someone because they say something you don't like.

@BloodyloveGeorge

Certainly don’t get the we shouldn’t take it away because we didn’t take them away retrospectively from others argument. Nor the he should keep it because violent white men went unpunished at the time. How about - LETS AGREE that TOXIC male violence ( and female violence for that matter) is completely inexcusable and it’s about time we all stopped making excuses? Starting right now with a man who walked up on calmly walked up on stage in front of millions and assaulted another man for saying something he don’t like. That’s no grey area. That’s no he said she said. There’s no doubt of his guilt.

Petition for all of them to have their awards stripped then. Don't just go after one person if you aren't going after all of them. Petitions can be made easily, and then they can all be punished for their wrongdoings.

@BloodyloveGeorge

Certainly don’t get the we shouldn’t take it away because we didn’t take them away retrospectively from others argument. Nor the he should keep it because violent white men went unpunished at the time. How about - LETS AGREE that TOXIC male violence ( and female violence for that matter) is completely inexcusable and it’s about time we all stopped making excuses? Starting right now with a man who walked up on calmly walked up on stage in front of millions and assaulted another man for saying something he don’t like. That’s no grey area. That’s no he said she said. There’s no doubt of his guilt.

Thank carefully about why you want the oscars to start with will smith. Confront your internal prejudices even if you are not white. Need to remember that many of the black women who died in childbirth in milton keynes were being treated by white and black midwives all of whom had different standards for black and white women. It’s a similar kind of internalised racism / prejudice that caused Chris Rock to think he could joke about a black woman with a medical condition rather than a white woman.

@BloodyloveGeorge

Certainly don’t get the we shouldn’t take it away because we didn’t take them away retrospectively from others argument. Nor the he should keep it because violent white men went unpunished at the time. How about - LETS AGREE that TOXIC male violence ( and female violence for that matter) is completely inexcusable and it’s about time we all stopped making excuses? Starting right now with a man who walked up on calmly walked up on stage in front of millions and assaulted another man for saying something he don’t like. That’s no grey area. That’s no he said she said. There’s no doubt of his guilt.

I think you are minimising how obnoxious Chris Rock was when you say that he said something Will Smith didn't like. It was much worse than that . You are also minimising the crimes of people like Harvey Winestein. Will Smith will probably get sued for a lot of money, he may get prosecuted and it will damage his reputation. That seems enough to me especially given the provocation and considering what other people get away with while keeping their Oscars.

[quote Mermaidwaves]@SwanBuster
So no evidence just your own thoughts on the matter? I just wondered as I'd seen lots of mention of Tupac on this thread and was wondering how he was related to this episode.[/quote]
All those mentions are from the same person.

It's just bizarre.

Its a bit different doing it at the actual awards ceremony, live and televised than bad behavior you hear about years later
I don't think he should be stripped of his Oscar but he has ruined his legacy, on what should have been the biggest night and the pinnacle of his career. He also ruined it for his fellow nominees and winners, literally no one was taking about them afterwards
It was just so unnecessary - it wasn't even that bad a joke. GI Jane is gorgeous and this is from someone who has suffered hair loss for 20 years.
Then the crying and all about love etc afterwards just made things worse.

It’s been reported that Whoopi Goldberg has said on The View today, that the Academy won’t take the Oscar from him.

I think it was a fake punch. Publicity stunt for both of them.

@ComeSailAway

I think it was a fake punch. Publicity stunt for both of them.

For what purpose though?

@MummyJ12

It’s been reported that Whoopi Goldberg has said on The View today, that the Academy won’t take the Oscar from him.

Also, the comedian Tiffany Haddish has publicly defended him:

variety.com/2022/film/news/tiffany-haddish-defends-will-smith-slapping-chris-rock-1235216831/

I hope her career suffers.

@ComeSailAway

I think it was a fake punch. Publicity stunt for both of them.

Not done either of them much good if it was…

@ComeSailAway

I think it was a fake punch. Publicity stunt for both of them.

If it was fake, and I'm not convinced it wasn't, it would have been the academy that set it up. I mean here we are, still talking about it two days later. Usually no one gives a damn a day later about the oscars, and this year publicity for them has been covered by other more important news. It's worked well for them if it was a fake.

No it didn’t, nobody came out of that well. And ‘no one gives a damn about a day later about the oscars’ is just false, it’s the biggest awards show in Hollywood.

@southeastdweller - ‘I hope her career suffers’

Really? You wish people career damage based on their opinion about an incident which has a context you refuse to acknowledge. You know what I’m talking about by know - Tupac and August.

That is terrible. Let he or she who is without sun cast the first stone.

*sin 😂🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[quote SwanBuster]@southeastdweller - ‘I hope her career suffers’

Really? You wish people career damage based on their opinion about an incident which has a context you refuse to acknowledge. You know what I’m talking about by know - Tupac and August.

That is terrible. Let he or she who is without sun cast the first stone.[/quote]
She defended a thug so that makes her an ignorant moron, in my eyes.

@southeastdweller- accusations of ignorance could equally be levelled at those who refuse to acknowledge the years of mental torture that Will Smith must have been through given Jada’s entanglement with August Alsina and belittling his manhood. You are showing an unconscionable lack of understanding for mental health issues.

Whoops I forgot to mention Tupac. And him.

You must be white.

I for one this morning listened to both ‘Getting jiggly with it’ and ‘Miami’ as I drove into work, in solidarity with Will.

I don’t even like the songs, but I felt I had to in order to show my support.

Of course I then listened to ‘Hit em up’ straight after, which seemed deeply appropriate. The result was a jarring further reminder at the powerful nature of the man Will cannot possibly ever match. I just felt a profound sense of sadness for him.

No. The joke was stupid snd he was stupid but it has nothing to do with his Oscar.
Can't get worked up about it - bigger things out there.

@Swanbuster forgive me but you seem a little over invested/obsessed with The whole Jada/Tupac/Will scenario. I think it has little to do with Will’s uncalled for violence

Thank carefully about why you want the oscars to start with will smith.
I can talk you through the exciting rollercoaster that was my thought process.

• My DP showed me a video of the event, and subsequent acceptance speech, shortly after it happened. I was shocked at the slap itself, and that he was able to collect an award shortly thereafter.
• I later read suggestions that he might lose his award, which I thought would be an appropriate response to the act of violence.
• I have never previously watched or otherwise taken much interest in the Oscars, and so had to be informed of some of the other past winners who have committed worse offences (all of whom were white) - and came to the conclusion that there is no way it would be appropriate to punish Smith against that backdrop.
• I was then informed, in this thread, that the Code of Conduct was introduced in 2017.
• If Smith is determined to be the first winner to breach the Code of Conduct, then rescinding his win may be appropriate. Otherwise, why bother introducing a code of conduct at all?
• I do not know whether or not the academy has determined that all pre-code winners get to keep their awards, but if they have, I believe they should reconsider.

I’ve always liked Will Smith. I don’t dislike him now. Although I didn’t love his speech, he really did seem like a man in a lot of emotional turmoil and pain, which was difficult to see. If he doesn’t lose his award, I’m not going to be angry. If he does lose his award, I’ll think “yes, that’s probably the right thing in the circumstances”.

Frankly the question of whether or not he should lose his award is entirely secondary to me. The main issue, and the thing that keeps pulling me back to the discussion, is the amount of support he’s received for carrying out the assault. I feel like the societal response is far more significant than the Academy’s, and I find it worryingly mixed.

Rock was unfunny, unkind and unpleasant.

Yes, he was but that cannot justify physical violence.

Will seemed to be laughing along until he saw his wife’s face.

[quote Trixiefirecracker]@Swanbuster forgive me but you seem a little over invested/obsessed with The whole Jada/Tupac/Will scenario. I think it has little to do with Will’s uncalled for violence[/quote]
It has everything to do with it. And don’t forget August Alsina.