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to think Will Smith should be stripped of his Oscar?

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BloodyloveGeorge · 28/03/2022 16:52

The Academy is supposed to have a code of conduct ( post Weinstein) so can take his Oscar away.
Given that this was a blatant assault, and a clear case of toxic masculinity at it's worst, he should lose his Oscar. He's not a role model, his behaviour isn't something that should be celebrated. There should be consequences for this example of violence.
Even a 6 year old knows you can't punch someone because they say something you don't like.

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Everanewbie · 29/03/2022 10:30

BrightOrangeOrange yes I know, he seems a lovely man. But my point is that I really don't think WS would have acted in the way he did if the person making the joke was of a greater physical stature than himself. I used Dwayne Johnson as an example because of the "Rock" name connection and the fact that he's built like a bull.

BrightOrangeOrange · 29/03/2022 10:33

@Everanewbie

BrightOrangeOrange yes I know, he seems a lovely man. But my point is that I really don't think WS would have acted in the way he did if the person making the joke was of a greater physical stature than himself. I used Dwayne Johnson as an example because of the "Rock" name connection and the fact that he's built like a bull.
Yes, I know what you mean.

I don't think many people would be slapping THE Rock but totally understand where you are coming from.

Totally off topic, but I love The Rock.

Mermaidwaves · 29/03/2022 10:36

@SwanBuster

Forgive me if I'm missing something but what is the constant linking Tupac Shakur got to do with this? Has Jada or Will made a statement directly referencing with this incident or something?

SwanBuster · 29/03/2022 10:44

[quote Mermaidwaves]@SwanBuster

Forgive me if I'm missing something but what is the constant linking Tupac Shakur got to do with this? Has Jada or Will made a statement directly referencing with this incident or something?[/quote]
Historical context. It’s up to you whether you want to research Will Smith’s insecurities but I guarantee it’ll explain a lot if you do.

LakieLady · 29/03/2022 10:45

Smith really shouldn't have done it, but I was inwardly cheering because Rock really shouldn't have mocked someone about an illness or their bisexuality.

Rock was unfunny, unkind and unpleasant.

TiddyTidTwo · 29/03/2022 10:50

I don't think he should lose his award, but I think that he should have been removed/asked to leave the awards show and shouldn't have been allowed to give a speech, received a standing ovation and then danced into the night

I agree. However, he also needs to know what he has also enabled to all these types of men who think they can now say stuff like this freely......and now use his huge status to try and put it right.

to think Will Smith should be stripped of his Oscar?
to think Will Smith should be stripped of his Oscar?
to think Will Smith should be stripped of his Oscar?
notanotheroneagain · 29/03/2022 10:52

People on SM claiming this is the most shameful Oscar moment and saying 'but violence happened at the awards'.

Forgetting that 6 security man had to restrain John Wayne when he tried to attack Native American woman, Littlefeather.

Not physically violent, but remember The year Hattie McDaniel won her Oscar for Gone With the Wind, people had to pull favours to let her in the building, & she was made to sit at the far end of the room, against the wall, with her Agent.

No problems with Adrian kissing Halle Berry on the mouth without her permission. She had to just smile and stand there and take it, no accusations of sexual harassment on his part, just laughs from everyone.

Spare us the pearl clutching.

So No...Not the most shameful night in Oscar History. not even top 20

notanotheroneagain · 29/03/2022 11:00

@RhymesWithBouquet

As for all of you whose first reaction is "thug" ask yourselves why that word was your go to and why you're so hot for this black guy to lose his Oscar but think that the aforementioned pre-2017 perps and pervs should keep theirs because, timing.... you're outing yourselves beautifully, please tell us more Karens.

For those of you saying Chris Rock "didn't know she had alopecia" well that's all the more reason for him to keep his gob shut. Her struggle with alopecia is well documented. If he didn't know that then for all he knew, she might have lost it due to chemo, making joking about it all the more crass.

The fact that as black man who made a documentary on the subject dammit he should know you don't comment on what a black woman does with what is or isn't on her head makes him look even worse.

So no, Will, shouldn't have hit CR, that was out of order but if they try to take the Oscar from him on that basis, they'd better be ready to take back the awards from everybody mentioned in @babywalker56's post too or the #OscarsSoWhite will be back to stay - no amount of PR or damage control or future black nominees / winners will erase it.

Agree with your post @RhymesWithBouquet

MrsAmber
I found the whole thing difficult to watch, the whole walking on stage and slapping was played over and over on various platforms.

I watched someone purposefully march onto a stage, whack someone, march back to his seat, shout and scream while the person on stage was left up there, completely shocked and as far as I watched, no one came to his aid, they left him to it in front of millions!

That’s an absolutely great message to send out across the world isn’t it!

Posts like the one I just copied above, with several others, remind me of this article.

www.teenvogue.com/story/will-smith-chris-rock-slap-situation-is-not-about-you?utm_source=twitter&mbid=social_twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_social-type=owned&utm_brand=tv

StormzyinaTCup · 29/03/2022 11:01

Rock was unfunny, unkind and unpleasant.

Yes, and rightly or wrongly he was met with the same in return.

Hopefully, CR, WS and the Academy itself will learn from this - mysogynistic language is not on, a slap was not the right way to address the issue and that ‘roasting’ of members of the audience will no longer be part of the ‘show’. The Academy should be better than this, otherwise you may as well do away with the whole thing.

MummyJ12 · 29/03/2022 11:14

That’s a very interesting and insightful article you linked notanotheroneagain.

MummyJ12 · 29/03/2022 11:20

Also interesting that Adrien Brody is now dating Weinstein’s ex wife…..she certainly knows how to pick them! (Slight derail but in context of that article and all that’s gone on).

Belladonna12 · 29/03/2022 11:21

@LakieLady

Smith really shouldn't have done it, but I was inwardly cheering because Rock really shouldn't have mocked someone about an illness or their bisexuality.

Rock was unfunny, unkind and unpleasant.

I agree.
TheOriginalEmu · 29/03/2022 11:21

@StormzyinaTCup

Rock was unfunny, unkind and unpleasant.

Yes, and rightly or wrongly he was met with the same in return.

Hopefully, CR, WS and the Academy itself will learn from this - mysogynistic language is not on, a slap was not the right way to address the issue and that ‘roasting’ of members of the audience will no longer be part of the ‘show’. The Academy should be better than this, otherwise you may as well do away with the whole thing.

It wasn’t ‘the same’ though was it? What Will Smith did was assault.
Mermaidwaves · 29/03/2022 11:37

@SwanBuster
So no evidence just your own thoughts on the matter? I just wondered as I'd seen lots of mention of Tupac on this thread and was wondering how he was related to this episode.

whynotwhatknot · 29/03/2022 11:48

For pople saying he wouldnt have hit dwayne johnson-dwayne wouldnthave made this joke in the first place

Will smith has publicly apologised now for his violence so i think it should be dropped

Blossomtoes · 29/03/2022 12:00

Going back decades to hunt down previous incidents of bad behaviour isn’t helpful @notanotheroneagain. Gone with the Wind was made over 80 years ago when the US still had segregation. The world’s (thankfully) a different place now.

Belladonna12 · 29/03/2022 12:05

@Blossomtoes

Going back decades to hunt down previous incidents of bad behaviour isn’t helpful *@notanotheroneagain*. Gone with the Wind was made over 80 years ago when the US still had segregation. The world’s (thankfully) a different place now.
If it is bad behaviour today, it was bad behaviour 80 years ago.
Blossomtoes · 29/03/2022 12:07

You’ve completely missed the point - I suspect entirely intentionally.

RhymesWithBouquet · 29/03/2022 12:14

@notanotheroneagain

Thanks for sharing that article. This is where I want to post that gif of JPS pointing and saying "that part" but can't be arsed to figure out how you do that on MN

AllOfUsAreDead · 29/03/2022 12:14

@LampLighter414

Nope. If he was White it 100% would never be stripped, so same should apply here
This. Harvey weinsteins weren't stripped and he and the others did a lot of their abuse publicly. OK it wasn't to millions, unless you count the abused actresses starring in his films which are then seen by millions, but he did way worse than what will Smith did. And twatface isn't ever going to apologise for what he did, not a genuine apology at least.
Ozanj · 29/03/2022 12:18

If he gets stripped off his oscar, I expect all the pedophile / sexual abusing white ‘artists’ to also have their oscars stripped (even posthumously). You can’t have one rule for a black man defending his wife and another for a white pedophile rapist.

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BloodyloveGeorge · 29/03/2022 12:33

Certainly don’t get the we shouldn’t take it away because we didn’t take them away retrospectively from others argument. Nor the he should keep it because violent white men went unpunished at the time.
How about - LETS AGREE that TOXIC male violence ( and female violence for that matter) is completely inexcusable and it’s about time we all stopped making excuses?
Starting right now with a man who walked up on calmly walked up on stage in front of millions and assaulted another man for saying something he don’t like. That’s no grey area. That’s no he said she said. There’s no doubt of his guilt.

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ParisLondonTokyoSlough · 29/03/2022 12:37

@BloodyloveGeorge

Certainly don’t get the we shouldn’t take it away because we didn’t take them away retrospectively from others argument. Nor the he should keep it because violent white men went unpunished at the time. How about - LETS AGREE that TOXIC male violence ( and female violence for that matter) is completely inexcusable and it’s about time we all stopped making excuses? Starting right now with a man who walked up on calmly walked up on stage in front of millions and assaulted another man for saying something he don’t like. That’s no grey area. That’s no he said she said. There’s no doubt of his guilt.
Harvey Weinstein is very recent and not “he said she said”. Let’s start with that. If you weren’t asking for Harvey to be stripped of his oscars then you need to reflect on why. Why Will smiths behaviour has riled you up so much more than a prolific sexual abuser.
Trixiefirecracker · 29/03/2022 12:37

I think he definitely should have been removed from the building.

MorganKitten · 29/03/2022 12:41

So you’d also say Russell Crowe, Mel Gibson, Kevin Spacey, Casey Affleck need them taken away too?