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to think Will Smith should be stripped of his Oscar?

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BloodyloveGeorge · 28/03/2022 16:52

The Academy is supposed to have a code of conduct ( post Weinstein) so can take his Oscar away.
Given that this was a blatant assault, and a clear case of toxic masculinity at it's worst, he should lose his Oscar. He's not a role model, his behaviour isn't something that should be celebrated. There should be consequences for this example of violence.
Even a 6 year old knows you can't punch someone because they say something you don't like.

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Blossomtoes · 31/03/2022 08:33

@WomanStanleyWoman

My life motto is: "Lord grant me the confidence of a mediocre white person." I don't even want to be 'excellent' I just want the shamelessness that mediocre whites have.

Racist shit.

Sure is.
Lunar27 · 31/03/2022 09:35

@SonicBroom

I'm absolutely not condoning what Will did. It was way out of line and should be dealt with.

However, it's the reaction. I didn't think much of it until I read a few articles written by black journalists/writers. However it's an interesting POV that, irrespective of his popularity, he's received disproportionately more media judgement than many of his white peers who have done worse.

southeastdweller · 31/03/2022 09:37

[quote Lunar27]@SonicBroom

I'm absolutely not condoning what Will did. It was way out of line and should be dealt with.

However, it's the reaction. I didn't think much of it until I read a few articles written by black journalists/writers. However it's an interesting POV that, irrespective of his popularity, he's received disproportionately more media judgement than many of his white peers who have done worse.[/quote]
Which white peers are those?

Lilifer · 31/03/2022 09:37

Tabby

Lilifer · 31/03/2022 09:38

Sorry autocorrect I meant YANBU

Trixiefirecracker · 31/03/2022 09:51

It was at the oscars millions viewed it, it was televised and tweeted and instagrammed and got knows what else. All of Bollywood are tweeting about it. There are lots of reasons why it gained more AirPlay, very few to do with racism. Name one of his white peers who slapped a colleague on stage in front of all those A listers, at the biggest social event of the year? Then make your comparisons.

Trixiefirecracker · 31/03/2022 09:52

*god

Lunar27 · 31/03/2022 09:52

@southeastdweller

Polanski, Woody Allen, Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, Michael Douglas. I've no doubt there are many, many other Oscar winners who have done worse but haven't had theirs taken away.

I don't have strong feelings either way but is just interesting just how much people are invested in an actor who really isn't as popular as he once was.

Trixiefirecracker · 31/03/2022 09:52

Bloody auto correct!

Lunar27 · 31/03/2022 10:07

@Trixiefirecracker

It was at the oscars millions viewed it, it was televised and tweeted and instagrammed and got knows what else. All of Bollywood are tweeting about it. There are lots of reasons why it gained more AirPlay, very few to do with racism. Name one of his white peers who slapped a colleague on stage in front of all those A listers, at the biggest social event of the year? Then make your comparisons.
I'm comparing the level of debate vs Harvey Weinstein, who seemed to receive similar, despite being imprisoned for raping countless women and using his power to make many more a misery.

To make it clear, I'm not calling racism but is interesting if you read perspectives of black people who would say it is.

Lampzade · 31/03/2022 10:40

He will not be stripped off his Oscar . That is very unlikely to happen.
However, he has to be ‘punished’ in some form
for his actions. I am just sick to death with some of the misogynistic comments on mumsnet . They are blaming his wife for the fact that Will Smith made the decision to go and smack someone in the face. I am sure that she didn’t know that he was going to do this and was probably upset about the whole incident.
Will Smith has often commented about his narcissistic tendencies and the effect it has had on his marriage , so I don’t know why some posters persist in blaming his wife

southeastdweller · 31/03/2022 10:53

[quote Lunar27]@southeastdweller

Polanski, Woody Allen, Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, Michael Douglas. I've no doubt there are many, many other Oscar winners who have done worse but haven't had theirs taken away.

I don't have strong feelings either way but is just interesting just how much people are invested in an actor who really isn't as popular as he once was.[/quote]
There was a lot of condemnation about Allen and Weinstein, from my perspective even more than there has been this week about Smith. It’s not about racism.

What adds to the shock about Smith is that his appalling behaviour happened AT the Oscars, unlike so many actions of the men you mentioned.

Midlifemusings · 31/03/2022 15:12

@Lunar27

Will's actions were at the Oscars. On TV, in front of a live and seated audience with millions of people watching. The context for his actions is what has led to the immediate buzz online.

It isn't at all about who did worse - it is that hitting the host during a major televised award ceremony is going to get a lot of immediate attention.

Lunar27 · 01/04/2022 08:09

Right. So are you suggesting that Will Smith should be stripped of his oscar above those aforementioned celebrities?

Racism or not, that sounds like a lot of mental gymnastics there.

Personally I think it's completely bizarre that people are even having this conversation.

notanotheroneagain · 01/04/2022 08:20

If the issue is about him doing it on live TV in front of millions, then how come John Wayne was not stripped when it took 6 guards to stop him attacking Native American woman Littlefeather.

Moe recently Jim Carrey and Adrian Brody sexually assaulted women on stage, nothing happened.

Belladonna12 · 01/04/2022 08:25

There was a lot of condemnation about Allen and Weinstein, from my perspective even more than there has been this week about Smith. It’s not about racism.

There should have been "even more" condemnation. Their actions were a lot worse and suggesting otherwise smacks of double standards.

southeastdweller · 01/04/2022 08:36

@Belladonna12

There was a lot of condemnation about Allen and Weinstein, from my perspective even more than there has been this week about Smith. It’s not about racism.

There should have been "even more" condemnation. Their actions were a lot worse and suggesting otherwise smacks of double standards.

Although Allen was never charged with anything, was he, so we don't know what his actions were.
Giraffesandbottoms · 01/04/2022 17:09

It’s completely disingenuous to compare actions of people 20+ years ago to now. It was awful when Jim Carrey and Adrian Brody effectively sexually assaulted those women on stage, but it was a completely different time where it was accepted. The women did not complain. There has since been the “me too” movement and now people see the action through a different lens. The Daily Mail has put it as headline news though so it has now been brought to attention again. You can’t let people get away with shit just because someone 20 years ago was able to

notanotheroneagain · 01/04/2022 18:20

The women did not complain.

And Chris Rock did not press charges.

We were long aware of sexual assault on women long before the Halle and Alicia incident. We did not just all wake up with 'me too'.

You can't just claim to 'wake up' out of the blue to things that were issues for a long time.

As for Woody Allen, he got away same as Savilles did. There was no one to press those charges. He had undoubtedly groomed his daughter to marry him, as she was now an adult, there was nothing anyone could do legally.

Giraffesandbottoms · 01/04/2022 18:58

I have never watched a Woody Allen film and never would, but plenty of people do 🤷🏻‍♀️

WalltoWallBtards · 02/04/2022 08:27

Seems like Will Smith has pre-empted getting kicked out of the Academy ( and being in the company of Polanski, Cosby and Weinstein) by resigning.
They should take away his Oscar. There is no doubt that not only was his act of violence completely wrong and unjustifiable but he absolutely ruined those Oscars for all the other winners. I’ve barely seen anything about the other winners.
For that alone his should lose his award, it’s not the Will Smith show.

southeastdweller · 02/04/2022 09:07

I wonder what the academy will do now? They're going to want to do something, surely, otherwise they're going to look like they're condoning the arsehole's behaviour. But rescinding his Oscar and determining a new winner is going to be an admin nightmare.

Lampzade · 02/04/2022 21:46

@WalltoWallBtards

Seems like Will Smith has pre-empted getting kicked out of the Academy ( and being in the company of Polanski, Cosby and Weinstein) by resigning. They should take away his Oscar. There is no doubt that not only was his act of violence completely wrong and unjustifiable but he absolutely ruined those Oscars for all the other winners. I’ve barely seen anything about the other winners. For that alone his should lose his award, it’s not the Will Smith show.
Just thought that I would make it clear that Cosby, Polanski and Weinstein have been convicted of sexual assaults which is why they were kicked out.
Lampzade · 02/04/2022 21:47

It is highly unlikely that the Oscar will be taken away from him.

whynotwhy · 03/04/2022 12:46

Interesting that you think this was toxic masculinity at its worst.

What's going on in Ukraine must be toxic femininity at its worst.