to think Will Smith should be stripped of his Oscar?

[BloodyloveGeorge]

The Academy is supposed to have a code of conduct ( post Weinstein) so can take his Oscar away.
Given that this was a blatant assault, and a clear case of toxic masculinity at it's worst, he should lose his Oscar. He's not a role model, his behaviour isn't something that should be celebrated. There should be consequences for this example of violence.
Even a 6 year old knows you can't punch someone because they say something you don't like.

All those wives here who would love to see their husband physically assaulting someone who said something offensive about them... I hope you won't complain when your husband slaps you after you say something he deems offensive to him.

Just try and learn empathy!

I’ve got plenty of empathy. I’m not even going to try to put myself in the shoes of a violent thug. Just stop defending him @SwanBuster. There’s no excuse.

The casual observer probably thinks Will Smith is a multi-millionaire actor and music artist, with a blissful life.

Then there will be some who think ‘I don’t care what’s going on, there’s no excuse’.

And then there will be some - the ones who actually think - who ask ‘Why might a multi-millionaire actor and music artist decide to potentially ruin his career in a moment of madness?’ and seek to understand it

Roman Polanski seems to have kept his.

I thought Chris Rock got off lightly - and the issue with the Oscars were everyone makes comments on the wives and girlfriends. Bunch of misogynists.

he slapped another equally matched male for making a joke at the expense of his wife
Or more precisely, a joke about Smith's wife's medical condition - I don't condone the slap, but the "joke" was unfunny and totally out of order.
Chris Rock should donate his fee (and a shedload more) to the National Alopecia Areata Foundation or similar.

@aurynne

All those wives here who would love to see their husband physically assaulting someone who said something offensive about them... I hope you won't complain when your husband slaps you after you say something he deems offensive to him.

Yes. Also, would you also be OK if your son 'snaps' and slaps his girlfriend because she annoyed him?

@Blossomtoes

Just try and learn empathy!

I’ve got plenty of empathy. I’m not even going to try to put myself in the shoes of a violent thug. Just stop defending him @SwanBuster. There’s no excuse.

Then you don’t understand what empathy is. I’m sorry, but you don’t.

What some of us are trying to demonstrate is humans aren’t robots. People snap. There is literally 25 years of feeling not good enough behind that slap

Oh give over. Decent human beings manage their feelings without slapping people.

No excuse.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

What some of us are trying to demonstrate is humans aren’t robots. People snap. There is literally 25 years of feeling not good enough behind that slap

Oh give over. Decent human beings manage their feelings without slapping people.

No excuse.

No one is trying to excuse it. We should seek to understand why, and forgive.

And then there will be some - the ones who actually think - who ask ‘Why might a multi-millionaire actor and music artist decide to potentially ruin his career in a moment of madness?’ and seek to understand it

Where is his remorse after the fact? Where is his apology to Chris Rock? All we’ve seen are emotional ramblings and an arrogant tweet saying something like “you can’t take people from Philly anywhere” as if it’s fucking funny.

Then you don’t understand what empathy is. I’m sorry, but you don’t

I’m sorry but I do. And they call me a bleeding heart liberal …

Chris Rock made a documentary called Good Hair, all about black/Afro hair including the lengths black women sometimes go to for more "European" looking hair including products, wigs etc. many years of weaves, harsh products, extensions can cause hair to fall out. Maybe that's what he thinks JPS has done? It seems an odd feature to pick on and, by coincidence, have made a documentary about it. Just a vague, badly thought through idea...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Hair

@NeverDropYourMooncup

White male directors get plaudits, awards and whatnot when they've literally been convicted of rape, have large numbers of traumatised women (and some men) in their wake and clearly have deeply troubling attitudes towards the age of consent.

Black guy gives somebody a slap for picking on his wife? Oh, strip him of his Oscar. Burn him!

When all the white predators have their awards taken away from them and their stars jackhammered out of the ground, then start looking at Will Smith. Until then, get that fucking great plank out of your eye.

This.

@BeHappy91818

So what?? We can't all be here constantly on a longish running thread....I was at work jumping in when I could so I don't apologise for asking a question already answered and I don't apologise for not fully reading a thread!

I don't think that he should be stripped of his oscar, but i think he should have been removed by security and not given the oportunity to accept it, or make a speech.

@Giraffesandbottoms

And then there will be some - the ones who actually think - who ask ‘Why might a multi-millionaire actor and music artist decide to potentially ruin his career in a moment of madness?’ and seek to understand it

Where is his remorse after the fact? Where is his apology to Chris Rock? All we’ve seen are emotional ramblings and an arrogant tweet saying something like “you can’t take people from Philly anywhere” as if it’s fucking funny.

He owes no-one but Chris Rock an apology.

I reckon Chris Rock, who probably knows 100x what we know about Will and Jada’s relationship would probably just say ‘I get it man - Pac would have probably shot me ’.

Why do you feel he owes a public one?

Meh. I can't get worked up about it tbh. Chris Rock was being a dick.

And for the record - I don’t even particularly like Will Smith. The guy didn’t even swear on his records. The guy was like a choir boy whilst the East/West coast war was happening - more ‘Persian rug life’ than ‘thug life’.

But I can understand why he is the way he is after years of mentally torturing himself trying to live up to the insane depth of Tupac.

Where was security last night?
Why wasn’t Will Smith immediately taken into custody for assault after striking Chris Rock on the face on international television?
Put yourself and your husband in the the Smith’s shoes: somebody cracks a tasteless joke at your expense. Your husband, at first, laughs, but then decides he doesn’t like it, and runs on stage and in front of the entire world, strikes the offending person.
In ordinary circumstances, your husband or my husband would immediately be arrested, no ifs ands or buts.
But because it’s Will Smith, arguably the most famous guy in the world, he goes back to his seat, heckles Chris Rock, wins an Academy Award and gives a tearful thank-you and semi-apology.
He does not apologize to Rock, which implies he is not really sorry.
The lack of action on behalf of the Oscars, on behalf of security, belies the power of celebrity. Had this been you or me, we’d be trying to organize bail right now — lots & lots of bail.
”Rules for thee, but not for me.”
They aren’t going to take Smith’s Oscar away - so it’s a mute point. I would, however, like to see him suffer the same consequences the rest of us would for the same actions of assault.
Sticks & stones, Will — sticks & stones.

@SwanBuster

And for the record - I don’t even particularly like Will Smith. The guy didn’t even swear on his records. The guy was like a choir boy whilst the East/West coast war was happening - more ‘Persian rug life’ than ‘thug life’.

But I can understand why he is the way he is after years of mentally torturing himself trying to live up to the insane depth of Tupac.

Please stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

Why do you feel he owes a public one?

I agree in principle with this but the absence of it in his sobbing speech where he justified his actions as “the things we do for love” spoke volumes. This is Hollywood. People make public apologies. The lack of it means something. So do the arrogant tweets

Imagine if your partner grew up with a best friend who was a mix of Claudia Schiffer, Greta Thunberg, Marie Curie and Mother Teresa. You would feel pretty insecure too.

I can't believe there are people on here hysterically proclaiming that Chris Rock 'verbally abused' Jada. Imo he made a bad taste joke about her hairdo and related that to GI Jane - he may have known about her struggle with alopecia or he may not. Will Smith would have done better to sit there stony faced and say something like 'That's not cool man' or whatever Will Smithism is more appropriate - I think he would have won hearts and minds and possibly got a standing ovation rather than horrified silence.

I personally think it is quite worrying that WS felt it appropriate to react violently in front of millions and that approx 50% of those who have viewed the footage feel he not only did nothing wrong but that Chris Rock somehow deserved being physically assaulted.

By all accounts so far Chris Rock had no idea that Jada had alopecia. He thought it was just her style. And there was a movement for awhile of Black women reclaiming baldness as bald in some cultures / times was a not uncommon hair style for Black women. GI Jane was not some weak character. Not sure it is an insult to be compared to her.

I remember reading about their open relationship probably about 15 years ago in an interview with Will Smith where he said something like if he meets somebody he wants to sleep with he calls his wife first to check she's ok with it. I don't think he was seen as emasculated then, quite the reverse.

I don't agree at all with him slapping Chris Rock and I think he should have been removed from the ceremony at the time, but I do have some sympathy with him feeling protective of Jada. He defended her in completely the wrong way in the heat of the moment but I don't think his Oscar should be taken away because of that. Certainly not when men like Roman Polanski and Harvey Weinstein have kept theirs.