Page 11 | to think Will Smith should be stripped of his Oscar?

BloodyloveGeorge · 2022-03-28T15:52:24+00:00

The Academy is supposed to have a code of conduct ( post Weinstein) so can take his Oscar away. Given that this was a blatant assault, and a clear case of toxic masculinity at it's worst, he should lose his Oscar. He's not a role model, his behaviour isn't something that should be celebrated. There should be consequences for this example of violence. Even a 6 year old knows you can't punch someone because they say something you don't like.

Midlifemusings · 28/03/2022 20:36

A lot of men find loosing their hair traumatic too andgo to great expense and lengths to stop, slow, or reverse that process. Yet that doesn't mean anyone referencing a bald head should be assaulted.

The idea that people deserve violence because they say something hutful or offensive is a really slippery slope. Who gets to decide if they deserve it - the person assaulting them?

Pawtriarchal · 28/03/2022 20:37

@SemperIdem

I don’t think Smith behaved well, far from it.

But it would send a very interesting message if the Academy suddenly decided they cared about their code of conduct after a black man had behaved poorly having previously handing out awards to rapists and child groomers previously.

I’d be happy if they took their awards away too. I’d be even more happy if they stopped celebrating them in the first place. However - Will Smith’s ‘transgression’ actually took place as the ceremony was happening, live viewing. I don’t think it should be talked away particularly, because of the reasons you mentioned. But he should have been ejected at the time.

KaptainKaveman · 28/03/2022 20:37

Yes, there are so many male violence apologists here, I'm quite shocked 😲.
Chris Rock's comments about G.I. Jane made Will Smith laugh, then he inexplicably did a complete 180 and lapped him. It would have been far more meaningful and poignant if he had walked onto the stage, taken the mic, said something along the lines of " your comments aren't funny, they are offensive" and then left the building. He would have presented as proud, mature, dignified and supportive of his wife. Plus he'd have made CR look petty and spiteful. But no. He made himself look like a violent thug.

Pawtriarchal · 28/03/2022 20:37

*taken away

KaptainKaveman · 28/03/2022 20:38

'Lamped' that should have said.

theworldhas · 28/03/2022 20:39

@phlebasconsidered
I see your point and sympathise. However, hair loss is also distressing for many men. The majority of whom were not very sexy to begin with, let alone after losing their hair. We can’t excuse violence on subjective opinions of how “insulting” a joke is or is not. Violence is not excusable.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 28/03/2022 20:40

@fucketyfuckwit

What he did was wrong, but I hate these people standing at these award ceremonies spouting off un-funny personal remarks about people under the guise of entertainment.

Yeah, I agree. The audience often look uncomfortable and it seems to me only laugh because they don't know what else to do, or out of politeness. Because they've got a camera in their face trying to capture their reaction and don't want to look like they're one pissed off face in a sea of awkward smiles.

There have been numerous threads on here before about supposed "banter", particularly men trying to trip/show someone, usually a woman, up in the name of humour. And how it isn't actually funny to anyone but the idiot who said it. It isn't witty to try and make someone look and feel small. It just makes normal onlookers (i.e. not twats) feel uncomfortable and wonder what they're trying to achieve exactly.

I don't want a return to over sycophantic shite at these types of ceremonies. But it's gone too far the other way. That twat Ricki Gervais is one of the worst.

phlebasconsidered · 28/03/2022 20:41

Alopecia is not male pattern baldness. It is an autoimmune condition usually connected to other autoimmune conditions. It isn't losing a bit of hair at a time. Mine can literally fall out in a few days and it all goes- eyelashes, brows, the lot. It's when i'm flaring with my hashimotos. It's very different to male pattern baldness and it's not the same at all. And it certainly isn't treated the same socially. Or by men.

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BloodyloveGeorge · 28/03/2022 20:41

‘ Rock deserved a slap. He went way too far. Will Smith defended his wife. ‘

Right. And if it’s the wife who goes too far, is
It okay for the husband to give her a slap too? Defend his owner or hurt feelings? Or is mindless, aggressive, male violence only Okay against other men?
And what was he ‘defending’ her from exactly? It’s not like CR had the woman by the throat.

I’d argue that the whole thing had NOTHING to do about Jada at all, and everything to do with WS ego.

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southeastdweller · 28/03/2022 20:41

They're launching a review:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-60908869

Maybe the times are changing and they will suspend his award, after all, as BAFTA did last year with Noel Clarke.

phlebasconsidered · 28/03/2022 20:42

That isn't to say Smith was right- just to point out that Rock was very, very low indeed.

JacquelineCarlyle · 28/03/2022 20:43

@phlebasconsidered

Alopecia is not male pattern baldness. It is an autoimmune condition usually connected to other autoimmune conditions. It isn't losing a bit of hair at a time. Mine can literally fall out in a few days and it all goes- eyelashes, brows, the lot. It's when i'm flaring with my hashimotos. It's very different to male pattern baldness and it's not the same at all. And it certainly isn't treated the same socially. Or by men.

I completely agree with you @phlebasconsidered - I can only imagine how hard things are for you but so glad your school kids are intelligent enough to understand and treat you with the respect you deserve.

theworldhas · 28/03/2022 20:43

@Midlifemusings
Who gets to decide if they deserve it - the person assaulting them?

Exactly. There are hate speech laws in place for a reason - which cover criminal offences related to limits of free speech regarding race, religion, or sexual orientation. Laughing at a bald person - no matter how cruel - is not covered by that. Chris Rock’s joke was IMO in poor taste. But it was perfectly legitimate under our social laws. Will Smith’s response was not. Chris Rock unfunny joke set a bad example for any kids who may have been watching, but the example set by Will Smith was even worse.

csectionrecovery · 28/03/2022 20:45

I don't think he did anything that's truly awful. His reaction wasn't proportionate, but at the end of the day he was defending his wife. It was an open hand slap, he didn't hit him with a closed fist.

I am sure there is academy award winners who did much more awful things than him and got to keep their Oscars.

Mewski · 28/03/2022 20:45

Ricky Gervais gives the best response IMO

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/ricky-gervais-will-smith-oscars-alopecia-b2045788.html

RhymesWithBouquet · 28/03/2022 20:45

YABU.

I'm not saying what he did was ok, but I understand why he did it. If you can say you've never done anything in the heat of the moment, never made a mistake, never acted in anger, especially in defence of a loved one, then fair play to you, your halo is in the post.

Also, I suffer from alopecia myself and wouldn't appreciate anybody making jokes about it at an internationally televised event.

That being said, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

So no, he should absolutely not be stripped of his Oscar, but it would have been appropriate if he'd not been allowed to collect it in person.

Unfortunately the optics would have been hideous if he'd been forced to leave before his category was announced.... It would have been poetic if he'd had to leave and Jada had collected it on his behalf and been able to speak for herself.

Porkmore · 28/03/2022 20:45

Why are you so angry about this? Lots of CAPITALS and !!!

LemonadeSunshine · 28/03/2022 20:46

What Chris Rock said wasn't a 'joke', it was verbal assault. This level of verbal assault has the power to cause much more damage than a hard slap.
I hope this is treated in the same way as the physical assault but I suspect it won't.

BeHappy91818 · 28/03/2022 20:48

Don’t be so dramatic.

Blossomtoes · 28/03/2022 20:49

If you can say you've never done anything in the heat of the moment, never made a mistake, never acted in anger, especially in defence of a loved one, then fair play to you, your halo is in the post

I can say, hand on heart, I’ve never hit anyone. And that’s the issue here. No excuse.

CorneliusVetch · 28/03/2022 20:49

@southeastdweller

They're launching a review:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-60908869

Maybe the times are changing and they will suspend his award, after all, as BAFTA did last year with Noel Clarke.

I’ve already said I think will smiths actions were appalling, but it’s not in the same league as Noel Clarke

Bahhhhhumbug · 28/03/2022 20:50

Ori18 yes l read that too that he took the mickey out of her before, saying her boycotting something was a bit like him boycotting some famous female celebrities knickers (can't remember who but what a horrible mysogonistic comment in itself).. because he'hadntbeen invited' was his punchline. So tried to humiliate her iows. He does seem have it in for her which would explain WSs words about keeping his wife's name out your effing mouth.

SaxendaSummer · 28/03/2022 20:50

Will smith was laughing along with the 'joke' at first...

What changed?

BeHappy91818 · 28/03/2022 20:51

@SaxendaSummer

Will smith was laughing along with the 'joke' at first...

What changed?

The answers to this have already been explained so many times.

Perime · 28/03/2022 20:53

@SaxendaSummer

Will smith was laughing along with the 'joke' at first...

What changed?

I think he was laughing from the previous joke. So was Jada. I don't think he should lose his Oscar.