to think Will Smith should be stripped of his Oscar?

[BloodyloveGeorge]

The Academy is supposed to have a code of conduct ( post Weinstein) so can take his Oscar away.
Given that this was a blatant assault, and a clear case of toxic masculinity at it's worst, he should lose his Oscar. He's not a role model, his behaviour isn't something that should be celebrated. There should be consequences for this example of violence.
Even a 6 year old knows you can't punch someone because they say something you don't like.

@SaxendaSummer

He didn't defend his wife

He laughed along with everyone.... then apparently thought different and became a violent thug

Well, if this is in fact NOT a very clever staged prank (and i Have my suspicions that it could well be), and he did lose his temper.....my bet is that he's done it in an attempt to cover the fact that he laughed at the joke too.

It's all a nonsense. If it's a genuine thing then you'd look the bigger man by shaking your head and saying "not cool, man, not cool" and looking disapproving. Then in your acceptance speech you say that you don't appreciate people trying to make a joke out of something that his wife is self-conscious about. Would made Chris Rock look like a total wanker while keeping his own dignity.

As it is (if geniune) he's just lost control. And broken the law too. Not a good look.

Slap or no slap

I agree with you in principle, OP. If the Academy has a code of conduct, he's failed it.
I'd rather see him facing charges though. It's extraordinary that a grown man can just walk up to another man and slap him in the face in front of millions of people and not face charges for it.
No matter how he felt about Rock's joke, that was assault. The fact that it was Will Smith or that Chris Rock was rude about his wife makes no difference.

‘Clymene
'It's okay to hit someone if they say something you don't like.'

This is why women end up getting murdered by their partners.

This is why the male on male murder rate is so high.

Virtually every woman murdered by her partner said something he didn't like. Virtually every man murdered on the street or in the pub 'disrespected' the murderer.

I have often wondered why we have such an epidemic of male violence. And this event has shown me why. Because so many women and men think that violence is a perfectly rational and acceptable and even appropriate response to someone saying something you don't like.

I am appalled and ashamed to be part of a community that condones this shit. You are contributing to male violence.’

Absolutely, the fact that 47% of people on this thread have voted that he should have no consequences, and many are in fact applauding and defending him, is absolutely astounding to me.
Don’t excuse male violence.
There’s another man who’s fragile ego, insecurity and propensity to violence has lead to him invading a peaceful country.
Just another version, a more extreme
Version, of toxic masculinity.

Did Chris Rock know / intend this to be an insult? When has he spoken of his knowledge of her health conditions or her sexual orientation? I am not sure that an assumption can be made that this was an intended insult based on his personal knowledge of her health condition and her sexuality and he had decided to connect those two things to GI Jane. Or has it a visual similarity that made him use the reference?

I don't know the relationship between Chris Rock and Jada Pinkett Smith well enough to know what they share or how informed he is about her conditions and sexual identity. A number of posts here seem to be sure he had that knowledge and made an intentional connection but I don't see the source for that knowledge?

Male on male violence is still violence. Men can be victims. A slap because someone insulted you is non gendered. There is no equal. The idea that as long as it is men hitting men - that is fine and not a problem is a pretty cave man like attitude. Men have the ability to resolve issues without beating up people. Man or woman. Yes, there are people who hit others when someone says some they that upset them but that doesn't make it justified. Are you going to teach your sons to slap their girlfriends / boyfriends across the face if they say something intentionally / unintionally upsetting? A slap doesn't hurt a male face any more of less than a female face.

Wow. So many people on here saying violence is justified. Are you the sort that tell your kids its ok to hit others in the playground because someone called them a name? Are you the sort of people who say its ok for a man to hit their wife because she called them a name? Same shit really.

She's got a devestating medical condition

Er, no. She’s losing her hair. As do the majority of men. 50% of men aged 40-49 have modern to extensive hair loss.

@Sisteragatha I’ve watched the vid and don’t see that, what I did see was Smith laughing at the “joke”.

Oscar’s run like clockwork, it’s all staged, stuffed with contingency and there are lawyers crawling all over it. There was plenty of opportunity to cut to ad break and reshuffle Best Actor or even suspend that award.

None of that happened.

^ moderate.

@theworldhas

She's got a devestating medical condition

Er, no. She’s losing her hair. As do the majority of men. 50% of men aged 40-49 have modern to extensive hair loss.

Your point? She's not a man, is she? For many women, losing their hair is extremely traumatic.

@teaandtoastwithmarmite

He defended his wife against an idiot saying twatty things about her. I applaud him. I don't condone violence but Rock was verbally abusing his wife.

You can't go through life thumping anyone who offends you. He didn't verbally abuse her. He compared her look to GI Jane. Which it was. He didn't shout "oi, baldy! You look like a fella!" The fact that she may have been self-conscious about that look and the reasons behind it may not have been obvious to anyone. I assume if she had been seriously self-conscious she would have worn a wig, hat or some kind of scarf and would have looked just as cool.

The fact that her own husband laughed when he said it shows that even HE didn't recognise it as verbal abuse. It was an ill-judged comment, and a bit mean if he intended to pull her leg about it. I don't view it as "verbal abuse". Will Smith was the one who was verbally abusing Chris Rock.

@theworldhas

She's got a devestating medical condition

Er, no. She’s losing her hair. As do the majority of men. 50% of men aged 40-49 have modern to extensive hair loss.

Sorry, Jada should get over the alopecia because 50% of men aged 40-49 suffer hair loss?

academy has launched a review

Rock deserved a slap. He went way too far. Will Smith defended his wife. Maybe he will think twice in future before he ridicules a person for having an illness. I can’t have sympathy for Rock in this situation.

@BloodyloveGeorge
It’s amazing the number of women whose support male on male violence be it during a spurious war or against another male who made a (perceived) offhand comment. There’s somehow this idea that male on male violence should be in a different category to make on female violence. I guess it perhaps spurs from the classical feminist idea that male on female violence is somehow a direct expression of the patriarchy, whereas male on male violence (not matter now innocent the male victim ) is just some sort of minor tribal pecking order faceoff.

@Pumperthepumper
Very poor reading comprehension.
No - the point is that a cruel/personal joke regarding a fairly typical physical imperfection doesn’t condone an extreme violent reaction.

I think it will culminate in him being stripped of his Oscar tho.

To all those people saying that Will Smith defended his wife, did she ask him to?

@theworldhas it is a little different to be a bald woman.
Bald men are still sexy. They are still employed by the media. They are everywhere and nobody questions that a bald man is still a capable man. They might get the odd remark but nothing like a balding woman. You would not believe the comments i've had. Trust me- hair loss in women is entirely tied up with attractiveness and crucially- capability. People assume I am either dying or ill. They certainly don't think it's normal or attractive.

However, my class of 11 year olds know better than to joke about it. I explained it to them in September and they are all brilliant. If it gets to the stage where I have to shave it, they don't even blink. Because they see me as a teacher and not some woman who can be laughed at. Unlike Chris Rock, who is a total shit really, whichever way you look at it.

I don’t think Smith behaved well, far from it.

But it would send a very interesting message if the Academy suddenly decided they cared about their code of conduct after a black man had behaved poorly having previously handing out awards to rapists and child groomers previously.

@Morfil

Does it affect your life or bank balance? Speak for yourself, I just lost £50.

You can probably claim that back from the White Women’s Tears fund. I hear they just throw money around.

@Pliudev

It seems there's some history and it's not first time Rock has made offensive remarks about this woman at these kind of events. I don't condone violence but who was the bully here? And what is behind the idea of roasting? I'm afraid I don't understand it. No doubt someone will enlighten me.

It wasn't the first time he'd taken the piss out of her at last nights event either - he'd made fun of Jada in his opening monologue for boycotting the 2016 Oscars when Will wasn't nominated.

I wonder how many more times he was planning to make fun of her but the slap put a stop to it.

Very telling as well that this joke wasn't included in rehearsals - Chris Rock totally knew what he was doing and was being a horrible bully to Jada & expected that they'd sit and smile and take it.

@Cherrysherbet

Rock deserved a slap. He went way too far. Will Smith defended his wife. Maybe he will think twice in future before he ridicules a person for having an illness. I can’t have sympathy for Rock in this situation.

So next time a woman goes too far, maybe laughs at her husband for struggling to get it up, it's OK if he gives her a slap? 🤔

[quote theworldhas]@Pumperthepumper
Very poor reading comprehension.
No - the point is that a cruel/personal joke regarding a fairly typical physical imperfection doesn’t condone an extreme violent reaction.[/quote]
In that case, you have very poor written communication. Because that’s not what you said, at all.

Alopecia is a medical condition.

@TeenPlusCat

No, because the Oscar and the slap aren't linked. He should probably have been ejected and not allowed to collect the Oscar though, but he wasn't. You can't/shouldn't 'cancel' his acting performance because you don't like what he did - where would that end up?

I explained it to my 11 year old - if he punched another child (obviously he wouldnt) then he wouldn't expect to get the merit badge that week would he, no matter how good his work was? Even a child understood that actions have consequences and we can't lavish accolades on people who have behaved so badly (not to mention publicly committed a crime).