Aibu to think if the worst happened and your child died in mysterious circumstances you should have a right to know what happened.

[Turningpurple]

Just as the title says.

Noah Donohoe disappeared coming home from school, his body was found in a storm drain without his clothes.

His mother can not get answers on why the police decided, immediately that there was no four play and us being blocked from seeing 4 files by the police.

She says On the day Noah was found, before Noah was formally identified, the Police did a media release stating that there was ‘No Foul Play’ involved.I ask, if the police are so sure that ‘No Foul Play’ was involved, why are the police now trying to stop me, as Noah’s mummy, getting four files of information on Noah’s investigation?

Surely I am not unreasonable to think this isn't ok and that most of use would want to know what had happened to our child?

This is an overview of what has happened so far.

mobile.twitter.com/MarymoBelfast/status/1370453351616425985?s=20&t=yryUQok3nQ619uJUawvnjg

I have to question the motives of anyone who would come on a thread about a missing and deceased child and post to criticise, name-call, derail, stir up trouble and try to get the thread deleted or moved. I realise this is AIBU, but, really?

Speculation about gun crime or sectarianism is potentially damaging, divisive and hurtful, and therefore unhelpful, however well-meaning. MNHQ have had to delete some such posts and I make no apology for asking that a couple of similar posts were considered to be withdrawn. To insinuate that being asked politely and with the above motivation is bullying is highly suspect. Deletion by MNHQ or requests to withdraw relates to a tiny handful of posts on a thread of over 300 posts, so it is clear that the OP does welcome the vast, vast majority of posts.

This happened on another thread about a missing child just the other day. A minority of posters derailed by using attacks and arguments about grammar and the thread had to be deleted.

Neither that child nor Noah is/was white.

Thankfully that child was found safe and well, but Noah was not.

Noah deserves justice and his mother deserves the truth.

I believe that the OP started this thread with the very best intentions and she has succeeded so far - against the odds because of a small minority of posters sometimes - in raising awareness and shining a light on what happened to Noah and what is still happening to Fiona. Long may it continue. There are those who are uncomfortable with all that. That's tough. The petition is only one piece of the jigsaw and so has been posted about - why on earth would anybody have a problem with it? It beggars belief. Those who have bothered to read the full thread or just her posts will know that the OP has already addressed the one error in her opening post.

This thread is a force for good. Many posters have now got to hear about Noah and Fiona through the power of Mumsnet. If you are uncomfortable with that, please have some respect for the subject and go elsewhere.

Noah is the victim here, not a tiny minority of disgruntled posters. Let's remember that.

Nobody is complaining about the petition, it’s a great idea which is why I’ve signed it. I take offence to being told by you what I can and cannot post. I asked a question, that is all.
The point I made was that the OP said she couldn’t bear to read it anymore. It was posted in AIBU so therefore should have expected differing opinions. As I’ve said countless times, it is an absolute tragedy. There are ways to say things and I find the aggressive nature of some posters on here really strange. We are all adults and are allowed to ask questions.l

Also very familiar with Belfast for many years.

I've met good and bad in all parts of the community there - many more good and warm people than bad. I absolutely understand how it's not helpful to speculate. Solid facts and information are what this family needs. That's what they are searching for.

I'd hoped so much for better things for the people of NI when the PSNI was formed. There are so many people reading about the time line of events along with what the police did ( mainly didn't) do, and having WTF moments. So many people who don't know each other questionning the behaviour of the PSNI.

The PSNI need to be as open and transparent as can be. The fact that they haven't been, led to over 300,000 people from many backgrounds and communities putting their arms around this mother and lending their support to her.

None of us would rest until we had answers if Noah had been our child.
Please support this mother.

@ihearttc

Nobody is complaining about the petition, it’s a great idea which is why I’ve signed it. I take offence to being told by you what I can and cannot post. I asked a question, that is all. The point I made was that the OP said she couldn’t bear to read it anymore. It was posted in AIBU so therefore should have expected differing opinions. As I’ve said countless times, it is an absolute tragedy. There are ways to say things and I find the aggressive nature of some posters on here really strange. We are all adults and are allowed to ask questions.l

Where did I say I 'couldn't bare' to read the thread anymore?

Is there a reason you just keep making things up?

@Ownedbymycats

As the death is still subject to inquest I'm not prepared to discuss this thread anymore as I think it's highly dangerous and I'm not reading any more posts.

You said…I’m not prepared to discuss the thread and not reading any more posts. So people can only post things that you agree with. You are asking MN to delete all the posts which YOU don’t agree with. There was nothing in my original post which warranted this amount of anger towards me. I asked a question, nothing more. Honestly I’m just a Mum posting on here the same as you. My point was, you post in AIBU then get angry when people ask questions. AIBU is not the right place for a topic like this. That’s the last I’m going to say on the matter to defend myself. I hope Noah’s mother gets some answers soon.

Has Doreen Lawrence been asked for support on this does anyone know?
members.parliament.uk/member/4290/contact

@ihearttc

Ownedbymycats

^As the death is still subject to inquest I'm not prepared to discuss this thread anymore as I think it's highly dangerous and I'm not reading any more posts.^

^You said…I’m not prepared to discuss the thread and not reading any more posts.^

You have the OP mixed up with Ownedbymycats.
Ownedbymycats is not the OP.

@ihearttc You said…I’m not prepared to discuss the thread and not reading any more posts. So people can only post things that you agree with. You are asking MN to delete all the posts which YOU don’t agree with. There was nothing in my original post which warranted this amount of anger towards me. I asked a question, nothing more. Honestly I’m just a Mum posting on here the same as you. My point was, you post in AIBU then get angry when people ask questions. AIBU is not the right place for a topic like this. That’s the last I’m going to say on the matter to defend myself. I hope Noah’s mother gets some answers soon.

There's no anger. Its Bewilderment.

I am not ownedbycats so why are you saying their post is accountable to me. This is 2nd time I have told you that is not me. That poster said they didn't want to discuss it. That's nothing to do with me. You are quoting a someone else.

I have not asked mn to delete any posts at all. Again..the poster who did (@TheRealMrsMac) is not me. Again, I am not responsible for other posters comments.

Yet you insist on trying to say it is me and holding me accountable for their posts.

Since its quite clear neither posts are me (and you can ask mn to confirm to you that I am not those posters) I can only assume you are trying to derail the thread. And I am not sure why. It doesn't make sense.

[quote EmeraldShamrock1]@ihearttc

Ownedbymycats

^As the death is still subject to inquest I'm not prepared to discuss this thread anymore as I think it's highly dangerous and I'm not reading any more posts.^

^You said…I’m not prepared to discuss the thread and not reading any more posts.^

You have the OP mixed up with Ownedbymycats.
Ownedbymycats is not the OP.[/quote]
Thank you. I felt like I am was going mad. I am so confused.

@EmeraldShamrock1 sorry the thank you was from me.

In that case, I’m sorry. I honestly thought TurningPurple and Ownedbymycats were the same poster. The OP was posting at the start of the thread under 2 posting names I think which is what confused me. I couldn’t work out why they’d start a thread and then say they didn’t want to read anymore. Honestly I’m truly truly sorry. I felt completely attacked today for asking a question which in my opinion was completely innocent and didn’t warrant the amount of anger towards me from KatyMac in particular. I’ve never had a post deleted before so I assumed that the request came from the OP not anyone else.

Once again, I really am sorry. Definitely not trying to derail the thread at all. Just not very nice feeling like I’m being attacked for posting my opinion in a thread on AIBU.

@ihearttc

In that case, I’m sorry. I honestly thought TurningPurple and Ownedbymycats were the same poster. The OP was posting at the start of the thread under 2 posting names I think which is what confused me. I couldn’t work out why they’d start a thread and then say they didn’t want to read anymore. Honestly I’m truly truly sorry. I felt completely attacked today for asking a question which in my opinion was completely innocent and didn’t warrant the amount of anger towards me from KatyMac in particular. I’ve never had a post deleted before so I assumed that the request came from the OP not anyone else.

Once again, I really am sorry. Definitely not trying to derail the thread at all. Just not very nice feeling like I’m being attacked for posting my opinion in a thread on AIBU.

Hi, I completely accept the apology and thank you

However I wasn't posting in 2 names at the beginning of the thread. It was today I have accidentally posted in 2 names. I have bee here approx 11 years. I name change regularly as my kids dad (exh) stalks my posts here. So yes, today I have a couple of name change fails. Which I drew attention to myself.

I am sorry you felt attacked. But I did say that wasn't me and you continued to say it was. That's left feeling pretty attack aswell.

I suggest we just let bygones be bygones and forget the back and forth. I happy to forget it and hold no animosity. I assume we both want the same thing. Justice for Noah. That's what's important.

for you.

@ihearttc

In that case, I’m sorry. I honestly thought TurningPurple and Ownedbymycats were the same poster. The OP was posting at the start of the thread under 2 posting names I think which is what confused me. I couldn’t work out why they’d start a thread and then say they didn’t want to read anymore. Honestly I’m truly truly sorry. I felt completely attacked today for asking a question which in my opinion was completely innocent and didn’t warrant the amount of anger towards me from KatyMac in particular. I’ve never had a post deleted before so I assumed that the request came from the OP not anyone else.

Once again, I really am sorry. Definitely not trying to derail the thread at all. Just not very nice feeling like I’m being attacked for posting my opinion in a thread on AIBU.

It is likely that your posts were reported by a number of different concerned posters and, having read them, MNHQ made the decision to delete them. The first sentence of your first deleted post made it obvious that you knew what you were about to say would be highly contentious, and indeed it was, so I'm not sure that your comments can be claimed to be 'completely innocent,' especially as they have been deleted.

The OP was not posting at the start of the thread under two posting names.

If you are going to claim anger, aggression and attacks towards you then you need to do two things. Firstly get the names of those posters right, including mine, and secondly, provide the evidence - because all I see is polite requests and explanations. After all, you have been deleted several times on here, not the posters you are accusing.

If you genuinely are apologising and have no wish to derail, then stop doing it. You have hurt the feelings of others too with your accusations - do you realise that?

Please, everyone, let's not waste any more time on this whataboutery and concentrate on Noah and Fiona.

[quote TheBlackDarner]Has Doreen Lawrence been asked for support on this does anyone know?
members.parliament.uk/member/4290/contact[/quote]
This is a really good point @TheBlackDarner - thank you.

@TheBlackDarner

Also very familiar with Belfast for many years.

I've met good and bad in all parts of the community there - many more good and warm people than bad. I absolutely understand how it's not helpful to speculate. Solid facts and information are what this family needs. That's what they are searching for.

I'd hoped so much for better things for the people of NI when the PSNI was formed. There are so many people reading about the time line of events along with what the police did ( mainly didn't) do, and having WTF moments. So many people who don't know each other questionning the behaviour of the PSNI.

The PSNI need to be as open and transparent as can be. The fact that they haven't been, led to over 300,000 people from many backgrounds and communities putting their arms around this mother and lending their support to her.

None of us would rest until we had answers if Noah had been our child.
Please support this mother.

Thank you for this post, also.

@TheRealMrsMac if you or OP or anyone with direct contact with Fiona could pass it to her. I think it's something she would relate to very much and perhaps lend weight to.
Also perhaps a way of getting round the difficulties of direct questions in Parliament given the different governments involved.

Absolutely, @TheBlackDarner - thank you.

Many many many times people post on AIBU for traffic. It happens several times a day. This would have been the intent of the OP. To help Fiona get the signatures she needs. Yet, to some, it HAS to be debated. Knit picked and fault found. The post I posted the other day with another missing black child was derailed to the point it had to be taken down. How can a post by a missing and dead child be devisive? How?! Please tell me. I know the answer. But if you don't I'd urge you to think long and amd hard about how priviliged you are. That, heaven forbid, should YOUR child disappear all hell would break lose. Press conference, volunteers looking, rewards. High police presence. What you can take for granted. Yet when black and mixed raced CHILDREN go missing the response is different. Its a reality most of you don't have to understand. It isnt your reality. But it is Noahs, Fiona's, and the rest of all the children that go missing.

These are going up on lamp posts all over NI. The election campaign trail has begun. Hold your representatives to account. When they knock on your door or stop you in the street wanting your vote, ask what they are doing for Noah and Fiona.

Thank you.

I've signed the petition.

It wasn't clear what happens when it gets to 500,000, will the police then be forced to open the files? I really hope they are, the truth needs to come out, and the "police investigation" so far sounds appalling.

This has been posted before but it's worth posting again in support of @Lndnmummy 's post:
www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/society-and-culture/black-kids-are-more-likely-to-go-missing-than-white-ones-why-dont-the-police-take-it-more-seriously

Thank you @Starseeking - the more signatures, the more the PSNI and government ministers are under pressure to do the right thing because they know how many eyes are on them, and also the more supported Fiona will feel.

Bump.

The petition has 303,459 signatures - can you help it reach 500k by signing or signing and sharing? Don't forget to confirm your signature for it to count. Thank you.

www.change.org/p/brandonlewis-release-the-noah-donohoe-files-justicefornoah

Bumping again. Justice for Noah