AIBU to think this is an absolute scandal?

[LittleWhingingWoman]

https://www.gbnews.uk/news/hospital-staff-told-police-their-patient-was-not-raped-as-alleged-attacker-was-transgender-despite-cctv-showing-assault-in-ward/250941?fbclid=IwAR0W41k8ee1QDudSyYH4jM1FINCWkcgN75XYZ9zmxj9j-yWMaZb0iB3DD_I

What is happening in the world for this to be even vaguely ok? NHS lying to women about their rapists?

@Waitwhat23

Services being able to offer women's 'safe spaces' are enshrined in law as the single sex exemptions in the Equality Act 2010.

The NHS Standard Contract does not allow mixed sex accommodation and until recently, there were £250 a day fines to hospital trusts as sanctions.

The NHS are institionally captured and Trusts encourage staff to lie to patients about whether there are males on a ward/bay. Part of the rules around GRC's means that they cannot disclose someone's GRC status if they have become aware of it through the course of their work, though if a crime has been committed (as it was here), they should have disclosed this to the Police. They chose not to and allowed a rapist his freedom for a year.

Baroness Nicolson has indictated that this is not the only case of this kind she has been made aware of.

In terms of Hospital Trusts, a rape survivor requested a female to carry out her mammogram and had her letter passed around the Trust as an example of 'transphobia'. As above, the NHS is institutionally captured.

Thank you for this post - I wonder if people have "racist", "sexist", "ableist", "ageist" written on a report they have to take around a hospital?

Just horrific. The trauma that poor woman has been through is abhorrent.

I've read about this a few times

Several posts about in on here too. Not sure what else people expect to get from it?

@Christienne

Why women on masse are not up in arms about this I don't understand

A very brave few have been for some time. They have been abused and vilified as a result.

Thanks to them, more people are starting to get it. That will make it easier for others to come out in opposition.

Women face this kind of behaviour if they try to talk about women's rights -

"Stephen Knight 🔊 📺 🇺🇦 on Twitter: "This is the crowd outside the venue. I'm not sure what they think is going on inside, but so far I've only heard a talk on the importance of single sex spaces and why sport must be fair. #WPUKManchester t.co/9h1yqNJWPW" / Twitter" mobile.twitter.com/GSpellchecker/status/1507089065350516748

The speakers included survivors and those campaigning against FGM, whom were being drowned out and intimidated by the protesters outside. There was another meeting some time ago when protesters banged on the windows and doors of the venue to frighten the women inside. Another protest saw violent sexual threats chalked onto the pavement outside the venue and attendees of an entirely different , unrelated event received racist and misognistic abuse. A demonstration outside the Scottish Parliament saw a peacefully protesting woman have 'witch' screamed directly into her face, repeatedly.

Women in the public eye who've talked about single sex spaces etc receive rape and death threats - JKR and Joanna Cherry being two such examples. They are speaking for the women who, due to the chilling effect, can't put their livelihoods at risk and are forced to stay silent (but who are fundraising, signing petitions, writing to their elected representatives etc).

But more and more women are speaking out and yes, it makes it easier for others to as well.

Courage calls to courage.

@BoredZelda

I've read about this a few times

Several posts about in on here too. Not sure what else people expect to get from it?

Do you mean "Shut up now. You've discussed this enough."?

Surely not!

@BoredZelda

I've read about this a few times

Several posts about in on here too. Not sure what else people expect to get from it?

Do you think this shouldn't be discussed? Why is that? Do you think it's ok a woman was raped by a man and then told she could have been raped as there was no man present when it's recorded on CCTV and it's NHS staff lying to her? Why do you think we shouldn't talk about it?

*At the end of the day people are shit, there are people of every gender/race/identity/sexuality/etc capable of committing horrific crimes against other human beings and there has never been any such thing as "women's safe spaces""

Excuse me? Yes all humans are capable of committing horrific crimes against other people but surely you don't think we should do away with all safeguarding.

The statistics show (in the UK) 98% of sexual offences are committed by males. 88% of survivors of sexual offences are female. Male offending rates do not change regardless of how that male identifies. If males are not allowed in female space then the risk of rape is eliminated and the risk of serious sexual assault drastically reduced.

You could argue there is no such thing as a completely safe space but that does not mean we should not attempt to create SAFER spaces for women, particularly where they may feel extra vulnerable such as being in a state of undress, by excluding males and that includes those males who identify as women. Do not be confused that this is an issue with trans people, it's not, it's an issue with males. Just as soon as we can tell violent predators from decent, respectful men then we can discuss getting rid of sex segregated spaces.

To add insult to injury this poor woman has been gaslit in service of an ideology and you are participating in the gaslighting of women by trying to argue safe spaces don't exist.

It should be a scandal but women don't appear to matter that much.

YANBU

It's sickening

Disgraceful

Shame on the NHS

@BoredZelda

I too have read about this a few times

Maybe, like me, you've also heard about the case of the 15 year old girl who was strip searched at school a few times too

Also, we keep hearing about Russia invading the Ukraine don't we

But you're not sure what else people expect to get from it

Perhaps, if we all stop talking about atrocities, they will simply go away or stop happening

Which hospital was this?

Why is it that something like this isn’t widely reported by the BBC or the mainstream media. Isn’t this a threat to women’s rights? Isn’t this the highest form of misogyny? Isn’t it newsworthy for the larger outlets? What is going on? How did we get here?

The Times have reported. The Guardian and BBC have decided not to it seems.

The reason why the Guardian have declined to cover this issue (discussed in the HOL) may be explained here -

"Why I had to leave The Guardian - UnHerd" unherd.com/2020/11/why-i-had-to-leave-the-guardian/

@sst1234

Why is it that something like this isn’t widely reported by the BBC or the mainstream media. Isn’t this a threat to women’s rights? Isn’t this the highest form of misogyny? Isn’t it newsworthy for the larger outlets? What is going on? How did we get here?

I can hazard a guess.

Shocking behaviour from the NHS.

@BoredZelda

I've read about this a few times

Several posts about in on here too. Not sure what else people expect to get from it?

Why say that about this topic in particular, out of all the topics on here and all the topics that are discussed by people on a daily basis?

I know we collectively cancelled JK Rowling but can we just admit she had a point about female spaces?!!!

Who cares if the hospital staff think it’s rape or not?! Surely it’s about the person who said they are. As a nurse, if a patient told me they had been raped or then l would be offering them support with ringing the police. If that’s what they wanted to do. Rather than commenting on what l thought had or hadn’t happened

YANBU but this thread is going to get moved to the naughty corner, I can guarantee it.

Some people would rather pretend this isn't happening than have a decent discussion.

YANBU

You've got to be a pretty dark sort of person to tell a patient who alleges rape on a hospital ward by a m to f transperson that they are wrong and there is no male on the ward when the staff member telling them that knows the exact opposite is true! I would imagine it's done to cover their own backs for the rape happening on their shift rather than supporting the poor victim! How awful!

Baroness Emma Nicholson is an absolute star, in her dealings with this situation and others. I feel we are very fortunate to have her in our corner.

Yet another reason not to trust the NHS.

Dispicable.

Of course YANBU it IS scandalous. Heads should role for it! My heart goes out to the victim, God love her and my disgust for the perp and those who enabled and are protecting him knows no bounds! They wilfully put ALL the female patients at risk when they admitted a male to the ward and are now throwing the poor victim under the bus to save their sorry skins! Shame on them It's beyond sickening!
I am also glad I'm not a nurse anymore if they are forcing the nursing staff to go along with the Trans agenda, forcing them to make liars of themselves that men are women, and thus to betray their patients' trust. How do they cope with it because I just couldn't and wouldn't!

@DoYouSeaWhatISea

Baroness Emma Nicholson is an absolute star, in her dealings with this situation and others. I feel we are very fortunate to have her in our corner.

Hear hear