AIBU to think this is an absolute scandal?

[LittleWhingingWoman]

https://www.gbnews.uk/news/hospital-staff-told-police-their-patient-was-not-raped-as-alleged-attacker-was-transgender-despite-cctv-showing-assault-in-ward/250941?fbclid=IwAR0W41k8ee1QDudSyYH4jM1FINCWkcgN75XYZ9zmxj9j-yWMaZb0iB3DD_I

What is happening in the world for this to be even vaguely ok? NHS lying to women about their rapists?

It’s just so fucking scary. This is Britain. 21st century Britain.

And we’re still not beyond this shit.

It’s genuinely fucking terrifying.

[quote Tillsforthrills]@AngeloMysterioso

I really hope it’s not shifted to the feminism board. This needs to be seen and addressed by everyone.[/quote]
It better not be shifted - this affects the safety of ALL women. And it's time women who have been asleep to it all get clued up. Right now there are women desperately trying to safeguard women and children and they are losing their jobs because people would rather "be kind" and wave rainbow flags. To think that men wouldn't take advantage of the trans movement to further their predatory aims is dangerously naive.

Why women on masse are not up in arms about this I don't understand. Are we mad?

They aren't up in arms because they want to be part of the cool woke parade and shout 'you're transphobic' at anyone who dares to question things

@Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious

They aren't up in arms because they want to be part of the cool woke parade and shout 'you're transphobic' at anyone who dares to question things

They are prioritising mens feelings and fetishes over women and children. It's unforgivable at this point.

YANBU
I’m pro trans rights - but this is just wrong.

There needs to be sane sex wards and mixed sex wards - trans people should be in the mixed sex wards.

I work with a boy who believes he’s trans (could well be) and I am of course respectful and will call him by an abbreviated name and all him to use the mixed sex disabled toilet but his behaviour towards girls he fancies are creepy, he currently always has an adult around him as he has additional needs but i worry what he’ll be like once he leaves school especially if he is identifying as female too.

I feel for any confused patients. If there is a male person in the bay with them and nurses are telling them it's a woman it will mess terribly with their heads

This is dreadful, YANBU.

I spent a while on a mixed ward a few years ago but at least we knew which patients were men.

@WonderfulYou

YANBU I’m pro trans rights - but this is just wrong.

There needs to be sane sex wards and mixed sex wards - trans people should be in the mixed sex wards.

I work with a boy who believes he’s trans (could well be) and I am of course respectful and will call him by an abbreviated name and all him to use the mixed sex disabled toilet but his behaviour towards girls he fancies are creepy, he currently always has an adult around him as he has additional needs but i worry what he’ll be like once he leaves school especially if he is identifying as female too.

This is a massive red flag and I would not want this male near my daughter. If he allowed to enter women and girls spaces it will threaten the safety of girls like my daughter.

Instead he will be enabled and cheered on. It's disgusting.

No, not unreasonable at all. It's horrifying and should be front page news with all the big news agencies. Definitely belongs in AIBU not hidden away somewhere for only those already in the know to get angry about. The whole country needs to be aware this is happening. Institutional capture of extremist ideology. And its not just the NHS sadly.

You are completely right. 100%prioritising mens feelings, their wants and their desires.

I’ve seen this & it’s outrageous. This needs speaking about.

Horrific. I'm sure it had of been a member of staff assaulted they wouldn't have been fobbed off for a year. That poor women, I really hope she gets the correct support and justice.

@Hashbr0wn

Horrific. I'm sure it had of been a member of staff assaulted they wouldn't have been fobbed off for a year. That poor women, I really hope she gets the correct support and justice.

If it had been a member of staff she would have been sacked and blacklisted for speaking out about it.

I can't put into words how appalled I am. If I were that poor woman I would make it my life's mission to destroy everyone who was complicit.

"However, a rather wonderful lady-
-I cannot say who she is-was raped in hospital by a man about a year
ago. There is only one definition of rape in Britain and that is male on female; you cannot rape if you do not
have the structure of a male. She was raped and she naturally reported it to the police. The police spoke to
the hospital, which informed them that there was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have
happened. They forgot that there was CCTV, nurses and observers. None the less, it has taken nearly a year
for the hospital to agree that there was a male on the ward and, yes, this rape happened. It is on record-
know where the case happened, who the police are and where the hospital is. I know everything about it
because she gave me the full case to make sure I knew that what she was saying was true.
During that year she has almost come to the edge of a nervous breakdown, because being disbelieved
about being raped in hospital has been such an appalling shock. The hospital, with all its CCTV, has had to
admit that the rape happened and that it was committed by a man. The police have therefore changed
their tune and become enormously supportive and helpful, and the case is going ahead. However, this has
arisen directly from annexe B. The result of annexe B is that hospital trusts inform ward sisters and nurses
that if there is a male, as a trans person, in a female ward, and a female patient or anyone complains, they
must be told that it is not true-
-there is no male there. I refer there to the duty of candour in the National
Health Service. I think it is completely wrong that the National Health Service should be instructing or
allowing staff to mislead patients- to tell a straightforward lie. It is not acceptable. The National Health
Service is admired globally and the duty of candour makes it imperative that it should be frank, open and
honest with the patients, yet trust after trust has informed its staff that they must say the opposite of the
truth when this situation arises. The impact on my new friend is appalling. I beg to move."

Annexe B needs to stop right now. How utterly disgusting it was allowed at all.

I was just quoting some Swedish research on here earlier that trans women were as likely to commit crime and as likely for it to be violent as men. They were 8 times more likely to commit crime than women and 12 times more likely for it to be violent than women. And this wasn't self IDers this was gone all the way trans women. Transwomen should not be on female wards. If men aren't safe on female wards then transwomen are not safe on there either.

YANBU.

I'm furious about this. How can women have trust and faith in the NHS and other public services when we know that they do not care for our safety and dignity?

I'm always baffled by the bare faced lie that dangerous men would not pretend to be trans to have easy access to vulnerable women. Of course they will. These men will do whatever it takes. We've already seen it happen.

Positively Orwellian

@CurbsideProphet

YANBU.

I'm furious about this. How can women have trust and faith in the NHS and other public services when we know that they do not care for our safety and dignity?

I'm always baffled by the bare faced lie that dangerous men would not pretend to be trans to have easy access to vulnerable women. Of course they will. These men will do whatever it takes. We've already seen it happen.

We can't trust the NHS if they are lying about men raping patients.

And I really don't trust women who think this is ok and who scream for the women who ask questions about safeguarding to be sacked or cancelled.

Who do they think they are cheering for? Do they think straight men with fetishes are the same as gay men who think they are women? Are they stupid?

I'm enraged at this - every day there's another male rapist being called a woman, every day there's another outrageous forcing of womens boundaries. It is our daughters who will suffer for this insane pushing of lies.

Well I'm sick of it. Not my daughter.
Women need to wake up FAST. There was a group of people at the NHS who covered this up. How many other women has this happened to?

YANBU.

It's grotesque.

I'd also really like to know what hospital it happened at.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10625997/Hospital-said-rape-single-sex-ward-not-possible-revealing-one-patient-trans.html

"Rape not possible"

It's a fucking man.

It's not that we need to change it to say "some women can rape" thereby skewing statistics more than they have been skewed - these are straight male sexual predators parading in plain sight under the new trans umbrella. They are being cheered on by women. Cheered on by mens rights activists.

These are not gay men confused or longing to be women.

That article is really confusing and all articles I've read about the matter are pretty confusing.
Until actual facts come out about the case I am reserving judgement to what actually happened and where the failings were.
At the end of the day people are shit, there are people of every gender/race/identity/sexuality/etc capable of committing horrific crimes against other human beings and there has never been any such thing as "women's safe spaces" 🙄

Services being able to offer women's 'safe spaces' are enshrined in law as the single sex exemptions in the Equality Act 2010.

The NHS Standard Contract does not allow mixed sex accommodation and until recently, there were £250 a day fines to hospital trusts as sanctions.

The NHS are institionally captured and Trusts encourage staff to lie to patients about whether there are males on a ward/bay. Part of the rules around GRC's means that they cannot disclose someone's GRC status if they have become aware of it through the course of their work, though if a crime has been committed (as it was here), they should have disclosed this to the Police. They chose not to and allowed a rapist his freedom for a year.

Baroness Nicolson has indictated that this is not the only case of this kind she has been made aware of.

In terms of Hospital Trusts, a rape survivor requested a female to carry out her mammogram and had her letter passed around the Trust as an example of 'transphobia'. As above, the NHS is institutionally captured.

Why women on masse are not up in arms about this I don't understand

A very brave few have been for some time. They have been abused and vilified as a result.

Thanks to them, more people are starting to get it. That will make it easier for others to come out in opposition.

YANBU. The NHS is completely captured.

The trans policy in my workplace makes it very clear that trans patients are prioritised. And by trans they explain that they mean anyone who says they are trans, no need for medication, surgery, different clothing/appearance choices, names or even to 'identify' as male or female full time. Just say the magic words and you get placed in whatever ward/bay you fancy. What could possibly go wrong?

Oh, and any patients who object are to be considered as bigots, as a woman objecting to sharing a hospital bay with a male-bodied person is the same as a racist. And staff must gaslight said woman, as they must not disclose another patients private info (even when that private info is staring you in the face). Any staff not toeing the line will be subject to disciplinary procedures and possibly reported to the police for a hate crime.

Orwellian doesn't even come close.